What is being pointed to in the following scfriptures?

[Jay Ross]

As one of Christ's disciples we simply plant seeds of truth, nothing new, simply things Jesus taught. We are saddened greatly when those seeds fall on poor soil, and do not grow, or rapidly grow and wither. Like Jehovah we desire all to attain to repentance and gain life 2 Pet 3:9

There is only one faith sir, and you have to worship with spirit and truth. I would love to see Jehovah accepting all faiths, but certainly cannot confirm that scripturally, can you?

Robert, simply quoting a single verse and establishing a theology around that one single verse is dangerous. We must consider the context in which the verse has been written as to what is required of us: -

2 Peter 3: -​

God's Promise Is Not Slack
(Gen 6:5-8:22)​

3:1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation — as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.​

NKJV​

It seems that we all, in verse 9 above, need to repent, even those who believe that they are righteous, if we wish to be counted among God's Saints who will receive their inheritance of the "refurbished" earth.

The Priests, Scribes and Pharisees in Jesus' day thought that they were righteous but they were not prepared to repent of their sins though there were many. They thought that they were planting seeds of "truth" but the reality was that they were planting the "seeds of tares" because of their lack of understanding.

Many so called "disciples" today believe that they hold the truth for others to absorb. But the reality is that we have the blind leading the blind and both will fall into the pit awaiting the time of their punishment in the lake of fire, i.e. the second death.

Shalom

 

[charity]

Hi Chris,

My thought is that had Israel repented, Paul would not have been an apostle to the gentiles, as the gentiles would come to the Light through Israel. And so Paul would not have prophesied a rapture that was not going to happen for a gentile church that was not going to exist.

I wonder what our Bible would look like had that been the case.

Your thoughts?

Much love!

Hello @marks,

Yes, with the repentance of Israel, they would, presumably, have taken up their Divinely appointed role as Priests unto God among the nations, and the gentiles would have received the Gospel of the Kingdom as promised in (Matthew 24:14).

What would (again presumably) not have taken place was the formation of the Church which is the Body of Christ: for that was a secret 'hid in God' since the world began and made known by Paul, following a revelation from God, after Acts 28; following the final rejection and departure of Israel (both in the land and the dispersion) into the darkness of unbelief, approximately forty years following the resurrection of Christ.

But, Praise God! God's will was accomplished, and the mystery of Israel's blindness came into effect (Romans 11:25), so that God's will for the Gentiles who were 'far off' from God (Ephesians 2:13), could be accomplished, and they 'made nigh' unto God, through Christ Jesus, His Beloved Son.

Yet, Israel will one day fulfil God's purpose to the nations, a purpose which was foretold through the prophets in Old Testament times: and not a secret kept in the heart of God, as 'The Mystery' administered by Paul was; made known in Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus, which declares, Christ Jesus our risen Lord, to be the Head of the Church which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.

Regarding the 1 Thessalonian 4:13-18 experience (called the rapture), surely that would depend on just when, during that forty year probation period covered by the book of Acts, that Israel came to repentance. For it would seem that the ministry to the dispersed of Israel, among the nations, covered the whole of that approx. forty year period. For believing gentiles were only brought into the Olive tree of Israel in the attempt to make Israel jealous (Romans 11:11) at Acts 10: ten years after Pentecost. The repentance of Israel being the object all through that period.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Charity,

If we understand God's prophetic words, then we would also know from the Old Testament that God had said that Israel would walk contrary to Him for a period of two ages because of their continual idolatrous worship during the first two ages of their existence from the time of Isaac's birth, which was Abraham's confirmation of what God would do with respect to the Abrahamic Covenant, that in the distant future, Abraham and all of the Saints would receive as their inheritance, the whole earth.

What you have written in the paragraph that I have quoted, is fanciful twaddle, which is not supported in the scriptures. Hosea 6:2 is one such example: -


Hosea 6:1-3: -

6:1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.​

2 After two days He will revive us;

On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.​

3 Let us know,

Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.​

NKJV​

Where the first two days and the third day are "days" within God's time frame in heaven and have the same duration as an "Age" within man's timeframe of reference.

Now if verse 2 above is true, then there was never any indication that God would have stopped the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children, because He also knew that even given 490 years in which to repent of their continual idolatrous worship up and until the time of Christ's birth, which meant that this prophecy could not be stopped and that two ages of the visitation of their iniquities would have to be completed before God would begin the healing process with Israel as He once again gathers Israel to Himself.

From the Beginning of the time of Adam, the second death was always the future punishment for sin and that unless man repented of their sin(s) they would remain a candidate for the Lake of fire at the end of the age of the seven ages allocated for mankind in God's plan.

Oh well, we are all capable of writing twaddle, even I, however we must be prepared to repent of writing that twaddle, otherwise, we too will see and experience the second death when Christ returns, with all of the heavenly hosts, in Glory.

Shalom

Hello @Jay Ross,

Thank you for responding.

Regarding Hosea 6:1-3, and your reference to the word, '... After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up and we shall live in His sight.' The words, 'After two days', refer to two days (literally) after Israel's national repentance in a yet future day, as already symbolised by the return of Gomer in Hosea 3:2-3, and foretold in Hosea 3:5. This is the acknowledgement referred to in Hosea 5:15 (Deuteronomy 32:39)

* Israel had to be given the opportunity to repent, as evidenced by the preaching of Peter in (the Acts of the Apostles 3:19-20):-

'Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
.. that your sins may be blotted out,
.... when the times of refreshing shall come
...... from the presence of the Lord;
And He shall send Jesus Christ,
.. which before was preached unto you:
.... Whom the heaven must receive
...... until the times of restitution of all things,
........ which God hath spoken
.......... by the mouth of all His holy prophets
............ since the world began.'

* Forty years of probation followed the ministry, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, during the acts period: where opportunity through the witness of the Twelve was given, first at Jerusalem and then among the dispersion: but Israel did not repent, as God in His foreknowledge knew they would not.

* All was fulfilled in accordance with His plan and purpose.

If I have said anything amiss, Jay, the Lord will make it clear: I simply considered what would have possibly happened 'if' Israel had indeed come to repentance at the preaching of Peter in Acts 3:19-21:-

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Robert Gwin]

Robert, simply quoting a single verse and establishing a theology around that one single verse is dangerous. We must consider the context in which the verse has been written as to what is required of us: -

2 Peter 3: -​

God's Promise Is Not Slack
(Gen 6:5-8:22)​

3:1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation — as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.​

NKJV​

It seems that we all, in verse 9 above, need to repent, even those who believe that they are righteous, if we wish to be counted among God's Saints who will receive their inheritance of the "refurbished" earth.

The Priests, Scribes and Pharisees in Jesus' day thought that they were righteous but they were not prepared to repent of their sins though there were many. They thought that they were planting seeds of "truth" but the reality was that they were planting the "seeds of tares" because of their lack of understanding.

Many so called "disciples" today believe that they hold the truth for others to absorb. But the reality is that we have the blind leading the blind and both will fall into the pit awaiting the time of their punishment in the lake of fire, i.e. the second death.

Shalom

I hope you are correct Jay, but I cannot see it scripturally. Only time will reveal who will be preserved. The only sure fire way is obedience in living the gospel 2 Thes 1:8

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello @Jay Ross,

Thank you for responding.

Regarding Hosea 6:1-3, and your reference to the word, '... After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up and we shall live in His sight.' The words, 'After two days', refer to two days after Israel's national repentance in a yet future day, as already symbolised by the return of Gomer in Hosea 3:2-3, and foretold in Hosea 3:5. This is the acknowledgement referred to in Hosea 5:15 (Deuteronomy 32:39)

* Israel had to be given the opportunity to repent, as evidenced by the preaching of Peter in (the Acts of the Apostles 3:19-20):-

'Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
.. that your sins may be blotted out,
.... when the times of refreshing shall come
...... from the presence of the Lord;
And He shall send Jesus Christ,
.. which before was preached unto you:
.... Whom the heaven must receive
...... until the times of restitution of all things,
........ which God hath spoken
.......... by the mouth of all His holy prophets
............ since the world began.'

* Forty years of probation followed the ministry, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, during the acts period: where opportunity through the witness of the Twelve was given, first at Jerusalem and then among the dispersion: but Israel did not repent, as God in His foreknowledge knew they would not.

* All was fulfilled in accordance with His plan and purpose.

If I have said anything amiss, Jay, the Lord will make it clear: I simply considered what would have possibly happened 'if' Israel had indeed come to repentance at the preaching of Peter in Acts 3:19-21:-

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Chris, you are free to believe or consider what you like, however, when we teach what we believe or consider as being from the Lord's revelation to us, we had better first establish that it has indeed been revealed to us by the Lord to share.

Israel's problem was that they believed not the prophets of God or His words in His scriptures/recorded words. They preferred to do their own thing. God did give them 490 years in which they had opportunity to repent when they came yearly to offer their sin sacrifice, but their hearts were not in repenting as was required of them, to put away their continual sinning.

Shalom

 

[charity]

Chris, you are free to believe or consider what you like, however, when we teach what we believe or consider as being from the Lord's revelation to us, we had better first establish that it has indeed been revealed to us by the Lord to share.

Israel's problem was that they believed not the prophets of God or His words in His scriptures/recorded words. They preferred to do their own thing. God did give them 490 years in which they had opportunity to repent when they came yearly to offer their sin sacrifice, but their hearts were not in repenting as was required of them, to put away their continual sinning.

Shalom

'These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.'
(Act 17:11)

Hello @Jay Ross,

The forum is open to anyone to discuss the word of God, it is not intended to be a platform on which to teach. I hope the principle you are advocating is one that each of us applies before we speak concerning the Scriptures. I hope we have all searched the Scriptures to make sure that what we have to say is true.

The word of God in unchanging, and it alone is true. We all have to lay our individual words concerning it's interpretation down and bow to what is said within it's pages.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jay Ross]

'These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.'
(Act 17:11)

Hello @Jay Ross,

The forum is open to anyone to discuss the word of God, it is not intended to be a platform on which to teach. I hope the principle you are advocating is one that each of us applies before we speak concerning the Scriptures. I hope we have all searched the Scriptures to make sure that what we have to say is true.

The word of God in unchanging, and it alone is true. We all have to lay our individual words concerning it's interpretation down and bow to what is said within it's pages.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

So be it Chris.

 

[Davy]

Well, the characteristic of the ten toes is both of iron and clay with each toes being two nations such that there are actually twenty kings that come together to form the fifth segment in the statue prophecy. In 2003 we witnessed the twenty nations entering Iraq, which was the fourth segment is the segment of the statue prophecy and which was established and recognised before God in 1926 by the world as foretold in the seventh bowl judgement. During the Grecian dominion over the Land of Babylon/the Chaldeans, the Grecian eastern portion devastated and desolated the Land of Babylon for a period of two ages before the Roman empire even existed. What I have just stated in this paragraph can be confirmed from scripture.

Nah, your idea totally changes the simplicity of that Daniel 2 prophecy. Nor does it stay with what is actually written there. The ten toes represent kings, as shown here...

Dan 2:42-44
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
KJV

Those above verses are linked together in subject about the ten toes. Verse 44 shows us the toes are about "kings" (plural), and that they will be setup at the end in the generation when Christ's 'literal' Kingdom is established here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That links to the ten kings of Revelation 17 who only come to power at the end for "one hour" with the beast king of that chapter. The "one hour" is a symbol for the "great tribulation" Lord Jesus forewarned of.

This is further confirmed in the Revelation 11 chapter, because on the 7th Trumpet, we are shown that all the kingdoms of 'this world' at that point become those of The Father and His Son.

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

 

[Jay Ross]

Nah, your idea totally changes the simplicity of that Daniel 2 prophecy. Nor does it stay with what is actually written there. The ten toes represent kings, as shown here...

Dan 2:42-44
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
KJV

Those above verses are linked together in subject about the ten toes. Verse 44 shows us the toes are about "kings" (plural), and that they will be setup at the end in the generation when Christ's 'literal' Kingdom is established here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That links to the ten kings of Revelation 17 who only come to power at the end for "one hour" with the beast king of that chapter. The "one hour" is a symbol for the "great tribulation" Lord Jesus forewarned of.

This is further confirmed in the Revelation 11 chapter, because on the 7th Trumpet, we are shown that all the kingdoms of 'this world' at that point become those of The Father and His Son.

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

Davy, Davy, there is no need for me to respond to your fanciful words of supposed understanding. You bring forward your confusion in your posts as if they are God's truths. You timeline for the events given in the End Time Prophecies do not line up with God's Prophetic Time Line for when those events will occur.

Oh well, such is life.

It seems to me that you have missed the associated Babylonian prophecy given in Jeremiah 50-51 which needs to be considered also when reading the Statue prophecy found in Daniel 2.

Oh well such is life. All is but vanity with nothing being new under the sun.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Nah, your idea totally changes the simplicity of that Daniel 2 prophecy. Nor does it stay with what is actually written there. The ten toes represent kings, as shown here...

Dan 2:42-44
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
KJV

Those above verses are linked together in subject about the ten toes. Verse 44 shows us the toes are about "kings" (plural), and that they will be setup at the end in the generation when Christ's 'literal' Kingdom is established here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That links to the ten kings of Revelation 17 who only come to power at the end for "one hour" with the beast king of that chapter. The "one hour" is a symbol for the "great tribulation" Lord Jesus forewarned of.

This is further confirmed in the Revelation 11 chapter, because on the 7th Trumpet, we are shown that all the kingdoms of 'this world' at that point become those of The Father and His Son.

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

The eighth king is actually the United Nations, although most likely at this time the hour(short period of time) has not yet started, sometime in the near future the UN should figure in very prominently in world leadership.

To help in identification it is made up of many nations or "Kings", it is a political entity, it was but then was not as the league of Nations which went under during WW#2, yet emerged again to become the more powerful United Nations Rev 17:8-11

The seven Kings were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the United States/Great Britain. The first 5 have fallen off the world scene as being a power, but Rome still holds influence and the 7th King is still in power. The United Nations has vestiges of all the previous Kingdoms, and therefore sprang from them.

 

[Jay Ross]

The eighth king is actually the United Nations, although most likely at this time the hour(short period of time) has not yet started, sometime in the near future the UN should figure in very prominently in world leadership.

To help in identification it is made up of many nations or "Kings", it is a political entity, it was but then was not as the league of Nations which went under during WW#2, yet emerged again to become the more powerful United Nations Rev 17:8-11

The seven Kings were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the United States/Great Britain. The first 5 have fallen off the world scene as being a power, but Rome still holds influence and the 7th King is still in power. The United Nations has vestiges of all the previous Kingdoms, and therefore sprang from them.

Robert, your understanding is flawed as you have not linked all of the prophetic scriptures concerning Babylon into a coherent storyline with resect to the history of man and the region of Babylon.

In what you have written is not planting seeds of truth, as you claim that you do, but rather the seeds of lies and untruths.

 

[Jay Ross]

In my OP for this thread this is what I had posted:-

Matthew 16:28: –– Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Mark 9:1: –– And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."

Luke 9:27: –– But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God."

John 8:52: –– Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, 'If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'

Hebrews 2:9: –– But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

What is being said in these scriptures?​

It seems to me that we have gone a long way off topic.

Perhaps we need to restart the discussion back on topic.

 

[marks]

What is being said in these scriptures?

What is your answer?

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

What is your answer?

Much love!

Mark, I set out my understanding in #23 above where I suggested that Christ was talking about the second death and that Jesus said that they would experience the second when He returned at the end of the age of the ages, with all of the heavenly hosts.

Jesus spoke of when He will return and what He would be doing just after He returns.

Matthew 25:31-46: - 31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. . . . . . 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, (i.e. suffer the second death), but the righteous into eternal life."​

NKJV​

This is the "literal" understanding that we should hold to that Christ spoke of.

John wrote plainly when he penned the following passage of Scripture: -

Revelation 20:11-15: - 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, (i.e. those who had physically died), small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.​

NKJV​

This is what Jesus was saying, awaited some of the people, of those who were standing around him, listening to what He was saying in the OP's quoted passages.

Shalom

 

[marks]

Mark, I set out my understanding in #23 above where I suggested that Christ was talking about the second death

OK, thank you for simplifying this for me!

It sounds like there are a number of places where death is named that you understand to be referring to the second death, not specifically named as that, but as you understand from the context. Is that fair to say?

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is what Jesus was saying, awaited some of the people, of those who were standing around him, listening to what He was saying in the OP's quoted passages.

Some would see Christ come in His kingdom before their second death. All in fact will see Christ come in His kingdom, the redeemed, to share in it, and the condemned, to be judged by Him.

It's almost like saying, some of your here will be condemned to the second death, and you'll see Me coming in My kingdom before you do.

Am I following what you are saying?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Hebrews 2:9: –– But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Again, just to verify I've got the right idea of what you are saying, in this passage, this is to say Jesus "might taste the second death for everyone", is that correct? I'm wondering what that would mean, is this to say that Jesus died the second death for everyone?

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

OK, thank you for simplifying this for me!

It sounds like there are a number of places where death is named that you understand to be referring to the second death, not specifically named as that, but as you understand from the context. Is that fair to say?

Much love!

Yes, but not from the limited English Translations.

 

[Jay Ross]

Some would see Christ come in His kingdom before their second death. All in fact will see Christ come in His kingdom, the redeemed, to share in it, and the condemned, to be judged by Him.

It's almost like saying, some of your here will be condemned to the second death, and you'll see Me coming in My kingdom before you do.

Am I following what you are saying?

Much love!

You seem to be.

 

[Jay Ross]

Again, just to verify I've got the right idea of what you are saying, in this passage, this is to say Jesus "might taste the second death for everyone", is that correct? I'm wondering what that would mean, is this to say that Jesus died the second death for everyone?

Much love!

From what has been written in the Hebrew verse, that is a reasonable understanding/interpretation, however, I do not believe that I have expressed my thoughts on that verse in this thread.