Oh goodness PinSeeker.......You have a horrible theory and revision of the truth (history).
LOL!
The Reformers did not return to Christianity in the days of the Apostles.
In a sense, no; that will not truly happen until Christ returns.
They all disagreed with The Church on doctrine.
On certain things, yes.
They thought they could interpret Scripture better than the men of The Church.
Well, they thought "The Church" was doing and teaching some things at odds with Scripture, and they were right.
They broke away from The Church and created their own doctrines; their own salvafic truths.
Not at all. This is the Catholic narrative.
Some of their doctrines agreed with Church doctrine and some of it didn't.
Agreed.
The TRUTH is they all disagreed with each other AND The Church....
A terrible over-generalization and overstatement.
sooooo your revision of history (that they were trying to return to the days of the Apostles) makes ZERO sense.
You want that to be true, sure. And I'm very much okay with that remaining your opinion.
If your theory was true which of the Reformers came the closest to returning to the days of the Apostles?
See above and below. I guess I would answer this "question" by saying each of them made great contributions.
Well, real
something...
It is not the "Catholic narrative".
It is. We can agree to disagree on this.
It is a historical FACT that the Reformers taught a different salvific teaching other than what The Church taught. That is one of the reasons WHY they left The Church; Because they disagreed with The Church on the interpretation of Scripture in regard to how one obtains salvation. That is a historical FACT!!
Hm. So, Marymog. How does one "obtain salvation"? Not that I don't know, but I'm just asking you for your opinion, and/or the opinion of "The Church."
According to YOU and the Reformers The Church had non-biblical teachings. If your theory were true and the Reformers, according to them being guided by the Holy Spirit, got back to biblical teachings, then all the Reformers would have taught the same thing and had the same doctrines. They would have all agreed with each other. They didn't!!! You do know that, don't you? Can you see how your theory makes no sense? The Holy Spirit did not give all of them different Truths to get "back to biblical teachings'.
And where, Marymog, do you think they differed? At this point, I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with what you say. But if you speak in such generalities, no discussion can be had. As I said, the purpose of the Reformers is summed up in basic points, what we call the five Solas ("alones") ~ Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone), Solus Christus (Christ alone), Sola Fide (faith alone), Sola Gratia (grace alone), and Sola Deo Gloria (glory to God alone).
If the Reformers were trying to "bring back correct understanding and belief in God's holy, incorruptible, infallible, true Word".....THEY FAILED!
Well, in one sense, all attempts (even attempts by "The Church") will fail; true belief and understanding will not fully materialize until Christ returns.
They all disagreed with the 2,000-year teaching of Christianity
Pfffft. Even though one of the basic premises of the Reformation was Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone). I see.
AND they all disagreed with each other
Well, no person completely agrees with any other person on everything.
AND you disagree with all of them
LOL! How, Mary, would you have
any idea? You don't.
sooooo in a sense YOU are a Reformer also. I mean after all, aren't YOU also trying to bring back correct understanding and belief in God's holy, incorruptible, infallible, true Word?
I'm trusting the Holy Spirit to do that as He will.
It is fascinating that you believe that Luther brought back to Christianity the "right" beliefs.
I think you don't really understand what I said, Mary. Or... you do, and you're making it out to be quite different that it was, either on purpose or inadvertently.
LOL!
Do you agree with EVERYTHING Luther brought back?
Luther didn't actually "bring back" anything. As Isaiah says and Peter quotes, the grass withers and the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever.
Ah, I don't think you really are.
I agree. Satan is not deceiving all men. I believe he is not deceiving the men of The Church.
Why are you so focused on men, Mary?
In your opinion (or according to your studies) who (or what group of men) is Satan not deceiving?
Everyone is susceptible to deception. Nothing about any one of us is anywhere close to perfect. We all fall far short of the glory of God.
What man in your life do you trust to fulfil Hebrews 13:7?
I see things here and there in many Christians ~ women and children included, past and present ~ worthy of remembrance and even emulation.
Yeah again, I doubt it.
Grace and peace to you.
