What Is "Salvation" In 1 Corinthians 10?

[GracePeace]

How do you reconcile your thinking here with this passage:

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

If you are a son of God now, you will be like Jesus when you see Him, according to this passage. Do you believe this is true?

The only qualification is that you are a son of God now.

Much love!

There is no connection between the two--you defined "rest" as something it was not, then I brought up Jesus's definition of "rest", and the Scriptures' expectations of God's people, and how they define "rest", and you brought up 1 Jn 3, which doesn't mention "rest".

 

[marks]

I disagree.

Hebrews 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5) And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

This passage, specifically regarding this rest, contrasts it to works.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I'd like you to address what is being taught here: Paul is warning the church against sinning.

He is not warning them that they will lose salvation.

He would not contradict himself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The opposite of rest is work.

What would you call if if you believe salvation is based on your performance?

Much love!

Amen

You can;t claim you have entered rest if your still working

 

[GracePeace]

Hebrews 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5) And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

This passage, specifically regarding this rest, contrasts it to works.

Much love!

We already know what Hebrews talks about when it talks about faith whereby rest is entered--every person of faith it mentions DID WORKS BY FAITH.

Hebrews 11
8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, without knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

11By faith Sarah, even though she was barren and beyond the proper age, was enabled to conceive a child, because she considered Him faithful who had promised. 12And so from one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

14Now those who say such things show that they are seeking a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,c 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”d 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.

etc, etc,

So, again, going back to what I said before, there is no "do nothing" option--"rest" is doing things God's way.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Read the passage--he lists explicit sins, and warns the Church not to do them.

yes

But he does not say they will lose salvation.

Do you understand what Gods requirment ius to earn your salvation. How many times are yu allowed to sin before you are lost and require Gods grace?

 

[marks]

There is no connection between the two--you defined "rest" as something it was not, then I brought up Jesus's definition of "rest", and the Scriptures' expectations of God's people, and how they define "rest", and you brought up 1 Jn 3, which doesn't mention "rest".

You are preaching condemnation to those who are in Christ if they don't behave well, meanwhile, John disallows this conclusion in the quote I've provided.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

He is not warning them that they will lose salvation.

He would not contradict himself.

He is warning them they will inherit God's Kingdom, despite having been saved, if they commit those sins he lists.

1 Corinthians 6
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 10
6Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. 7Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “THE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND STOOD UP TO PLAY.” 8Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day. 9Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. 10Nor grumble, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 12Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. 13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. 14Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're comparing apples to oranges--the contexts aren't the same.
In John 6, they wanted more food, and were asking Jesus to manifest some more food, like He had done, seeking to rely on physical substance; in 1 Corinthians 10, there is a recognition that the manna was a type and shadow of eating spiritual food in the Communion, today, and he draws out from that the teaching that despite their having been saved and lived under the cloud (the cloud of the Presence) , and having been baptized, and having eaten manna, they fell under God's wrath for sinning, and this is the same for Christians who had been saved by the blood, received the Presence, been baptized into Christ, and who eat Communion.

In other words, do not trust that just because these things are true of you that you can live in sin and not face God's wrath and being excluded from the Promised Land (a type and shadow of abiding in Christ).

Um no

The context is the same

Whats the difference between them and you?

Jesus said if you eat. you will never die

did Jesus lie?

 

[Behold]

1 Corinthians 10 seems to disagree.
Which part of what I was claiming it taught were you disagreeing with?

I disagree with posting a Chapter, but not the verse.... and then saying that ....."A verse in there is my proof".

So, i disagree with that manipulation of the context of the Chapter, to try to prove your theology.

Also, a Christian, cannot lose anything that is related to the "Gift of Salvation".. and that includes Salvation and Inheritance.

See, While Salvation is not pre-destined.. but rather its FORE-KNOWN........ the inheritance is pre-destined, for all those who are "in Christ".

That means that once you are IN< you get what is IN THERE.

Let me show it to you by simple analogy...

= If you go to an amusement park.. and you want to ride the Roller Coaster...........Well then.. once you are in the CAR on the Track.., there is a pre-destined RIDE.. that will happen.

Follow me?

You are Predestined, once you are in the CAR.. to ride the Track, till it all comes to an end.
See that?
That is the PRE-DESTINED......"inheritance'... .you are guaranteed, once you are on the TRACK in the CAR.

Now your Free will is....>"i want to buy a ticket so that i can Ride the Pre-destined RIDE".

See that?
Your ticket is YOUR Choice,, and then the RIDE is pre-destined.

That is the Believers Eternal "Inheritance". that is subsequent to the "born again"..........The "inheritance"... is the CART on the TRACK going for the RIDE that is predestined, once you have the Ticket..... and that is to be born again.. (is the eternal Ticket).

The "Inheritance" is a guarantee, once you are BORN AGAIN by GOD..... that is promised because you gave God your Faith In Christ.

So, once you do that, once you BELIEVE IN JESUS.....Then GOD Takes it from there, and is "faithful to COMPLETE your Salvation" that includes the pre-destined inheritance, and the "conformed into the image of Christ", and the receiving of the NEW BODY... as all of that is pre-destined, once you Give God your Faith in Christ and are Born again.

Read Carefully..

Philippians 1:6

 

[GracePeace]

You are preaching condemnation to those who are in Christ if they don't behave well, meanwhile, John disallows this conclusion in the quote I've provided.

Much love!

It's not me, it's Scripture that warns Christians so that they will not be deceived and fall under condemnation.

 

[GracePeace]

Um no

The context is the same

Whats the difference between them and you?

Jesus said if you eat. you will never die

did Jesus lie?

Address 1 Corinthians 10.

 

[GracePeace]

Um no

The context is the same

Whats the difference between them and you?

Jesus said if you eat. you will never die

did Jesus lie?

Also, Christ did not say eating His flesh and drinking His blood was communion, nor even that it was merely believing; He said that was being sent in His Name.

John 6
56Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

So, clearly, eating His flesh and drinking His blood means being sent in His Name--obeying Him.

So, I agree with Christ that obeying God's commands is eternal life.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He is warning them they will inherit God's Kingdom, despite having been saved, if they commit those sins he lists.

1 Corinthians 6
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 10
6Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. 7Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “THE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND STOOD UP TO PLAY.” 8Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day. 9Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. 10Nor grumble, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 12Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. 13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. 14Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.

Do you read what you post?

Read this part

11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Did it say they stopped those sins? Did it say they never did them again? Of course not. it said they were cleansed of those sins.

 

[marks]

So, again, going back to what I said before, there is no "do nothing" option--"rest" is doing things God's way.

Rest means to not think you are keeping yourself saved by good behavior.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Address 1 Corinthians 10.

I already did, multiple times..

 

[marks]

It's not me, it's Scripture that warns Christians so that they will not be deceived and fall under condemnation.

Are you a child of God?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Paul said those things that were written apply to Christians.

And people who do not understand the Cross of Christ as Eternal Redemption, misapply the verses that Paul wrote, very often.

You're doing it.

 

[GracePeace]

Rest means to not think you are keeping yourself saved by good behavior.

Much love!

Christ says it is going to Him and taking His yoke upon yourself.
In that culture, a "yoke" is a rabbi's teaching.
This doesn't mean the absence of labor, but a particular kind of labor--labor in accordance with Christ's guiding grace, but labor nonetheless.

 

[GracePeace]

Are you a child of God?

Much love!

The children of God in the OT were not exempt from His fury if they sinned--they forfeited their father's promise by sinning.