What is the importance of this prophecy

[theefaith]

Mary is our spiritual mother


Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

 

[Truman]

You should stick to the teaching of the Apostles. IMO

 

[Randy Kluth]

Christ is the only savior
His merits provide grace and mercy salvation to all even to Mary but in advance to prepare Her to be the mother of God

no one said Mary is God
Just queen
Since when does queen mean God?
David and Solomon’s mothers were queen
Lk 1:32-33 Jesus is king therefore Mary is queen

I appreciate your saying Mary isn't God. Of course not. I'm referring to treating her as if she was a god.

Calling her a "queen" is a kind of exaltation that does not characterize Christian teaching, which equalizes all Christians. "The hills shall be brought low, and the valleys raised." "Consider others better than yourselves." "The greatest shall be the servant of all." "God exalts the humble."

Christ alone is to be exalted. He is the source of our salvation. We're not to pray to the dead, nor to seek salvation in the name of any other. God was opposed to the monarchy in Israel. If we are "kings and priests," it is as a corporate group, and not as individuals exalted above others.

If others seem higher on the "pecking order" of the body of Christ, and are eyes and ears, whereas others are hands and feet, Paul said that all are equally necessary, and that even what appears to be the more "private" and "unsung" parts of the body are actually absolutely critical and valued.

How dare we exalt any man above another! Only Christ is our God, and he treats us all the same, both high and low being what he desired equally. All is small to him, and all are valued by him. Place your trust and value on Christian teaching, and not on sectarian beliefs. Defend our faith, and not the teaching of Christians who place tradition above apostolic teaching.

 

[amadeus]

where does it say they had sex?

anything consecrated to God’s service has to be pure immaculate and holy
...

Are you saying that sex between spouses is not a "very good" thing? Was it not ordained of God and the proper and expected fulfillment and/or consumation of the marriage between Mary and Joseph?

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

Would you put it asunder [separate them]?

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled..." Heb 13:4

 

[Randy Kluth]

Mary is our spiritual mother

You are conflating the fact Mary was the mother of the human race with her being the mother of regeneration. That's a very poor comparison! And it has no basis whatsoever in Scriptures. Christ alone is the basis of our regeneration. How dare you give the glory and the credit to Mary!

Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Actually, Jesus was in fact asking John to watch over his mother. If she was "queen of heaven" she would've had plenty of servants to take care of her! The Scriptures would've in fact called her the "queen of heaven," which of course is never said.

Holy mother of God!

I will say it again, because it bears repeating. The genesis of the term "mother of God" originates from the Church Fathers, who sought to prove Christ's deity, as opposed to the idea of his exclusive humanity. Mary not only conceived a human child, but also a divine child. Hence, she was "mother of a divine Being."

Obviously, God preexisted Mary, and could not have been conceived by Mary--only in the sense of the incarnation. So to say she somehow precedes God in rank in inconceivable, false, and wrong. And I feel confident you're not saying that.

So why say it at all outside of the argument for Jesus' Deity? Why say it to somehow elevate Mary when this argument has nothing to do with elevating Mary?

She is more blessed than other women not because she is somehow superior to other women, but only because God graciously allowed her to do what others were not given to do--give birth to the Christ child.

None of this means Mary was greater or superior than Christian women. It only means she had a unique place in history, just as all individual Christian women have their own unique places in Christian history.

The focus is on the importance of Christ's birth, and not so much on Mary herself. It is just a note expressing one aspect of God's love to one particular person.

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Solomon uniquely was given the privilege of building the temple of God. Samson uniquely was given physical strength above all others. Daniel uniquely saw prophecies of the future that no other prophet saw.

None of these things do other than show God's display of grace to individuals. He treats us all separately and individually, and we all have cause to glorify and to thank God for His matchless love and grace.

Mary is just an example of a servant of God. She is not a regal figure in Scriptural teaching. On the contrary, her display of humility and servitude is what makes her great and an example to all.

 

[Timtofly]

Christ is the only savior
His merits provide grace and mercy salvation to all even to Mary but in advance to prepare Her to be the mother of God

no one said Mary is God
Just queen
Since when does queen mean God?
David and Solomon’s mothers were queen
Lk 1:32-33 Jesus is king therefore Mary is queen

So now you claim Jeaus and Mary are husband and wife? Or mother son relationship like all pagan theology? Pagans claim their mother son relationship was sexual. Calling them King and Queen makes it sound worse.

 

[theefaith]

Are you saying that sex between spouses is not a "very good" thing? Was it not ordained of God and the proper and expected fulfillment and/or consumation of the marriage between Mary and Joseph?

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

Would you put it asunder [separate them]?

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled..." Heb 13:4

yes of course but they sacrificed the lower good of marrige to bring the savior into the world

Lk 1:27
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

to a Virgin
Only God can be born of a virgin
Only God can have a Virgin mother

 

[theefaith]

You are conflating the fact Mary was the mother of the human race with her being the mother of regeneration. That's a very poor comparison! And it has no basis whatsoever in Scriptures. Christ alone is the basis of our regeneration. How dare you give the glory and the credit to Mary!



Actually, Jesus was in fact asking John to watch over his mother. If she was "queen of heaven" she would've had plenty of servants to take care of her! The Scriptures would've in fact called her the "queen of heaven," which of course is never said.



I will say it again, because it bears repeating. The genesis of the term "mother of God" originates from the Church Fathers, who sought to prove Christ's deity, as opposed to the idea of his exclusive humanity. Mary not only conceived a human child, but also a divine child. Hence, she was "mother of a divine Being."

Obviously, God preexisted Mary, and could not have been conceived by Mary--only in the sense of the incarnation. So to say she somehow precedes God in rank in inconceivable, false, and wrong. And I feel confident you're not saying that.

So why say it at all outside of the argument for Jesus' Deity? Why say it to somehow elevate Mary when this argument has nothing to do with elevating Mary?

She is more blessed than other women not because she is somehow superior to other women, but only because God graciously allowed her to do what others were not given to do--give birth to the Christ child.

None of these means Mary was greater or superior than Christian women. It only means she had a unique place in history, just as all individual Christian women have their own unique places in Christian history.

The focus is on the importance of Christ's birth, and not so much on Mary herself. It is just a note expressing one aspect of God's love to one particular person.



Solomon uniquely was given the privilege of building the temple of God. Samson uniquely was given physical strength above all others. Daniel uniquely saw prophecies of the future that no other prophet saw.

None of these things do other than show God's display of grace to individuals. He treats us all separately and individually, and we all have cause to glorify and to thank God for His matchless love and grace.

Mary is just an example of a servant of God. She is not a regal figure in Scriptural teaching. On the contrary, her display of humility and servitude is what makes her great and an example to all.

Lk 1:27 Virgin
Lk 1:43 mother of God
Lk 1:49 great things
What things? (Plural)

 

[theefaith]

So now you claim Jeaus and Mary are husband and wife? Or mother son relationship like all pagan theology? Pagans claim their mother son relationship was sexual. Calling them King and Queen makes it sound worse.

No Jesus david and Solomon’s queens were their mothers not wifes

 

[amadeus]

yes of course but they sacrificed the lower good of marrige to bring the savior into the world

Lk 1:27
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

to a Virgin
Only God can be born of a virgin
Only God can have a Virgin mother

Who is the Bridegroom and who is the Bride of Christ? Will they not know each other?

"He that hath the bride is the bridegroom..." John 3:29

Will the Bride bewail her virginity because she is never to know any man as her own husband?

"And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel," Judges 11:38-39

 

[Randy Kluth]

Lk 1:27 Virgin
Lk 1:43 mother of God
Lk 1:49 great things
What things? (Plural)

In reference to what? I misspelled "these" and have now corrected it to "this."

I wrote:
She is more blessed than other women not because she is somehow superior to other women, but only because God graciously allowed her to do what others were not given to do--give birth to the Christ child.

None of these means Mary was greater or superior than Christian women.

Pretty easy to understand. "These" should have been rendered "this." I've now corrected it.

The "things" plural that diminishes the value of individual greatness were things like Samson's strength and Solomon's privilege to build the temple. Other than this, I'm not sure what your concern is?

Mary was born with a regal heritage, but her greatness consisted of giving birth to a king of heaven--not to an earthly king. She was therefore not focused on being a "queen," either of heaven or of earth. There is only one King in heaven, the Lord Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many preach their church , but as for me its gonna be the biblical JESUS and all things He did teach as well as the apostles .

 

[theefaith]

Who is the Bridegroom and who is the Bride of Christ? Will they not know each other?

"He that hath the bride is the bridegroom..." John 3:29

Will the Bride bewail her virginity because she is never to know any man as her own husband?

"And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel," Judges 11:38-39

the holy church is the bride

but Mary is a perpetual Virgin

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

 

[theefaith]

Jesus would not have been tempted by the devil if Mary were sinless.

He was tempted because His mother had a sinful nature, and remained sinless because sinless God is His father.

If Mary had to be sinless to have a sinless Jesus, then her mother had to be sinless to have a sinless Mary, and her grandmother would have to be sinless so her mother would be sinless, going all the way back through the entire family - which is ludicrous.

And scripture is clear Joseph had sex with his wife after Jesus was born - she was not a perpetual virgin.

no scripture never says they had sex, just the opposite

lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

 

[theefaith]

Many preach their church , but as for me its gonna be the biblical JESUS and all things He did teach as well as the apostles .

how do you put on Christ?
Or become a member of Christ?

 

[amigo de christo]

how do you put on Christ?
Or become a member of Christ?

Not by the RCC . Flee her my friend . No man knows their last hour upon this earth .
You are dearly loved my friend . But flee her you must . Just start over and seek the Lord with all your heart
and learn the biblical Jesus well , as well as all things the apostels did teach . Hurry my friend . I will be praying for you as well .

 

[theefaith]

Not by the RCC . Flee her my friend . No man knows their last hour upon this earth .
You are dearly loved my friend . But flee her you must . Just start over and seek the Lord with all your heart
and learn the biblical Jesus well , as well as all things the apostels did teach . Hurry my friend . I will be praying for you as well .

And where do I get the sacraments or baptism?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

this prophecy is dan 2:44
Gold silver bronze iron
Iron was the pagan Roman Empire
Conquered by Christ thru his kingdom the holy church

Rome was conquered by the pagan Huns.

But you still didn't answerr my question. What ten kings were of long ago? What are their names?

 

[amadeus]

the holy church is the bride

The Church is the people of the Body of Christ! Were they clean and without sin at the time they met the Master?

but Mary is a perpetual Virgin

Mary is not the Church. She is a type or shadow of the Church! Are our shadows as clearly defined as our physical bodies which interrupt the light to make the shadows? The Church is made without hands as the Holy Spirit forms each of its parts, each of us [as we permit], into a flawless member. If the reality is not flawless in its beginning, how could the shadow be flawless as you suggest?

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Like any young wife to be in the ideal situation according to God she was a virgin when she came together with her new husband, the father to be of her child. After that she, like any young wife, was no longer supposed to be a virgin.

 

[theefaith]

The Church is the people of the Body of Christ! Were they clean and without sin at the time they met the Master?

Mary is not the Church. She is a type or shadow of the Church! Are our shadows as clearly defined as our physical bodies which interrupt the light to make the shadows? The Church is made without hands as the Holy Spirit forms each of its parts, each of us [as we permit], into a flawless member. If the reality is not flawless in its beginning, how could the shadow be flawless as you suggest?

Like any young wife to be in the ideal situation according to God she was a virgin when she came together with her new husband, the father to be of her child. After that she, like any young wife, was no longer supposed to be a virgin.

Eve was a Virgin in the garden, but she did not remain a Virgin, so scripture never call her a Virgin!

isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

lk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

So a Virgin she must remain