What is the importance of this prophecy

[theefaith]

Titled Catechism of the Catholic Faith from 1969

Consenting to our salvation gives her no advantage

Noah found favor with god, Abrahm did , David did, I have! So???

No Jesus is currently everliving to make intercession for us. He is still in His high priest office.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Luke one is still future. Unless you believe Jesus is a failed king.

Dan. 2 Has also not yet happened. The kingdom on earth god establishes comes during the reign of the ten kings from which the antichrist rises! No kingdom on earth yet.

it say “in the days of these kings” those days are long gone
Christ is king
Lk 1:32-33
Matt 16:18
He tells us to seek the kingdom I mean really!

the advantage is ours she obtained our salvation

 

[Curtis]

Mary was not sinless, not a perpetual virgin, is not called full of grace in the koine Greek MSS, was not assumed bodily to heaven while alive, and does not rule with Jesus as the queen of heaven, she is not an intercessor, and she can’t hear and answer millions of prayers to her 24/7 in all the different languages in the world.

 

[Randy Kluth]

the eternal son of God cannot have a sinner for a mother, Satan would constantly accuse him of this
If His mother is a Virgin the its just as possible that she is sin less
Gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Blessed why blessed this is before she consented to our salvation Lk 1:28
Found our salvation Lk 1:30

This is your own logic--not the Scriptures. Could sinless Deity be born from a sinful Mother? Apparently God thought so, because that's exactly what the Scriptures say. Mary called God her Savior. That means she was a sinner. Still, she gave birth to Jesus, a sinless Being.

How could that logically happen? Well, my supposition is that Mary's will had nothing to do with the birth, giving rise to the idea her sin had nothing to do with this birth. In fact, it is a *miraculous* birth, indicating that this was God's work, not Mary's imperfect work.

 

[Oseas]

Mary was not sinless, not a perpetual virgin, is not called full of grace in the koine Greek MSS, was not assumed bodily to heaven while alive, and does not rule with Jesus as the queen of heaven, she is not an intercessor, and she can’t hear and answer millions of prayers to her 24/7 in all the different languages in the world.

Mary and the Apostles are waiting their resurrection yet.

The followers of the Beast of sea full of blasphemy, the Papacy, they invoke the dead in their belief as is done in the cult of spiritism. So they invoke the dead Apostles and mainly Mary, its a witchcraft; Also they worship objects like the cross that the Devil made to crucify the Son of GOD. Terrible. Cross is CURSE, where there is a cross there there is malediction, curses. The followers of the Beast of sea, the Papacy, they wear a cross around or hang on their necks, so they all are under curses.
And the followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, they will acclaim their esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah who will make great signs and wonders of lie to deceive the men.

Revelation 13:v.12-14
12 He will exerciseth all the power of the first Beast (Beast of sea) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(the Beast of sea-the Pope), whose deadly wound was(will be) healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh (will make) fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast (the Beast of sea);

 

[Ziggy]

Just throwing this into the stone soup...

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

does the beast have to be a gender?
just asking

 

[theefaith]

Mary was not sinless, not a perpetual virgin, is not called full of grace in the koine Greek MSS, was not assumed bodily to heaven while alive, and does not rule with Jesus as the queen of heaven, she is not an intercessor, and she can’t hear and answer millions of prayers to her 24/7 in all the different languages in the world.

never said she was assumed into heaven alive, she died and after three days was assumed into heaven by Her son body and soul!

God was born of a Virgin
Scripture says she was a Virgin
In the Protestant Wycliffe Bible Lk 1:28

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed bethou among women.

gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in Mary

if not Satan could accuse Christ of having a sinner for a mother and not being able to preserve Her from sin

rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity

 

[theefaith]

This is your own logic--not the Scriptures. Could sinless Deity be born from a sinful Mother? Apparently God thought so, because that's exactly what the Scriptures say. Mary called God her Savior. That means she was a sinner. Still, she gave birth to Jesus, a sinless Being.

How could that logically happen? Well, my supposition is that Mary's will had nothing to do with the birth, giving rise to the idea her sin had nothing to do with this birth. In fact, it is a *miraculous* birth, indicating that this was God's work, not Mary's imperfect work.

having a savior does not indicate sin
You can be rescued from sin or preserved from sin
Even us when Christ saved us he preserved us from many sins we would have committed so he is savior both ways

 

[Randy Kluth]

having a savior does not indicate sin
You can be rescued from sin or preserved from sin
Even us when Christ saved us he preserved us from many sins we would have committed so he is savior both ways

That's false and pure rationalization. Calling God your Savior is in fact an admission of the need for redemption from sin, and involves *being a sinner.* You're just buying into traditional Catholic arguments, defending the Catholic Church, but without any concern for the truth.

I know of no example of anybody calling God their Savior without the acknowledgement of their need for mercy. But that is just the tip of the iceberg in this argument.

All descended from Adam have required either mercy and forgiveness or sin offerings. Under the Law, there was no exception. Every man, woman, and child in Israel had to be atoned for, because of their innate sinfulness. And all others were considered pagan, and outside the pale of God's blessings, due to their innate sinfulness. *All* needed salvation for their sinfulness. That was Pauline theology.

The only one without sin was Jesus. Nowhere is Mary said to be an exception to the rule. To be a saint, or to be called "blameless," never required perfection. It only required consistency in faith, with an application for God's mercy on behalf of the imperfections.

To call Mary a "queen of heaven" sounds more like some kind of Babylonian religion. To deify anything other than God is idolatry, and God said He is opposed to it. To do so is itself a sin.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

it say “in the days of these kings” those days are long gone
Christ is king
Lk 1:32-33
Matt 16:18
He tells us to seek the kingdom I mean really!

the advantage is ours she obtained our salvation

So tell us what ten kings that were reigning at the same time names are, that happened long ago.

also who was the eleventh king that overthrew three of those ten?

 

[Curtis]

never said she was assumed into heaven alive, she died and after three days was assumed into heaven by Her son body and soul!

God was born of a Virgin
Scripture says she was a Virgin
In the Protestant Wycliffe Bible Lk 1:28

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed bethou among women.

gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in Mary

if not Satan could accuse Christ of having a sinner for a mother and not being able to preserve Her from sin

rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity

Jesus would not have been tempted by the devil if Mary were sinless.

He was tempted because His mother had a sinful nature, and remained sinless because sinless God is His father.

If Mary had to be sinless to have a sinless Jesus, then her mother had to be sinless to have a sinless Mary, and her grandmother would have to be sinless so her mother would be sinless, going all the way back through the entire family - which is ludicrous.

And scripture is clear Joseph had sex with his wife after Jesus was born - she was not a perpetual virgin.

 

[Oseas]

Just throwing this into the stone soup...

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

does the beast have to be a gender?
just asking

First: Who will do miracles and will deceive them that dwell on the earth? (earth here is not the Planet Earth)

Revelation 13:v.11 reveals who him is: And I beheld ANOTHER Beast (Man Beast) coming up out of the earth; and HE has two horns like a lamb, and HE speaks as a dragon.

So, in near future ANOTHER Beast will rise of the earth (earth here is Israel, the clay, the dry land, and the first Beast rises up out of sea-it means peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues-(all tongues).
With the appearance or manifestation of the Man Beast of earth (Israel), then there will be two powerful Beasts reigning in the Planet Earth.

What we can see is that one of the seven heads of the first Beast, Beast of sea, will be wounded to death henceforwards-Revelation 13:v.3. In my vision, the wounded head by the Sword (a sharp Sword) is/will be South America, much strongly Brazil. The other six heads will be astonished/ impressed with the surprising event.

Because of this surprising and mortal religious event, will rise of the earth the Beast like lamb, speaking as a dragon, doing great signs and wonders, he will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism will acclaim the Beast like a lamb as their messiah, in fact he is an IMPOSTER, a false messiah-John 5:v.43 to 47- and they will enthroned him in the temple of GOD.

Then the Beast like a lamb will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. 2Thes.2:v.9

And the false messiah of the Jews, as is described above, will try to heal the deadly wound of the Beast of sea, then he will give his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority to the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2- and the deadly wound will be healed: and all the WORLD-Europe, and Asia, Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and the three America, will stay wondered after the Beast.

And they -the WORLD- will worship the dragon-the false messiah-which will give his Power, and his Throne (in Jerusalem), and great Authority unto the Beast of sea-the Pope-: and they -the WORLD- will worshipp the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him? -Revelation 13:v.4.

And there will be given unto him -unto the Beast of sea- a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. -1,260 days - Revelation 13:v. 5 combined with Revelation 11:v.1-2-check it out - . By the way, these 42 months are the FIRST HALF of the last week Daniel 70th.

v.6 And he opened (will open)his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
v.7 And will be given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power is given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
v.8 And all that dwell upon the earth (EARTH IS ISRAEL, not the Planet) shall worship him(even the Jews will worship the Pope enthroned in Israel - John 5:v.43 to 47 and 2 Thessalonians 2:v.10-12), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

v.9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Be careful and get ready

P.S.
Afterwards will come the abomination of desolation - 1.290 days

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. - Dan.12:v.12

 

[Paul Christensen]

prove it!!!

He doesn't have to prove anything. It is you who is prosecuting the Mariology stuff, and therefore you have to prove it. All you have done so far is to insert your addition to the Scripture.
When Mary said that her soul exults in God, nothing is said about her soul being immaculate. That is your addition to the Scripture, reading into it something that is not there.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The Apostles are the doctrinal foundation for the Church...
Eph 2.19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

Paul demonstrated his authority here...
1 Cor 7.This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.
2 Thes 2.For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

The call of Prophet and Priest was to ensure compliance with the written word of God. In the OT, that written word was the Law of Moses. In the NT, it is the job of Apostles and Prophets and ministers of Christ to ensure compliance with the NT Gospel of Christ. The leadership is not creating its own rules, but requiring conformity with already-established teachings set forth from the time of the Early Church, when the Apostles made Jesus' teachings clear.

I'm not going to apologize for what *I view* as a form of Mary Worship! You said that by virtue of giving birth to the God-Man she retains some divine features, as well, including sinlessness and royalty. She played no role in our Salvation, with respect to the Law of God. Legally, she was sin-infected and equal with all Christians. If she was more virtuous than others who did not succeed in a life of obedience, this did not make her superior to them. It just made her more virtuous than them.

I gave you Scriptures, and you completely ignored them. Go back and read about how the eye relates to the toe, about how James said you're not to treat others with partiality, how those who lead in the Church are not to lead as worldly bureaucrats or government leaders. We are to be humble and to prefer others over ourselves.

It's telling that you ignore this. You want to retain Catholic doctrine *for your own personal benefit.* It is *party spirit,* or the spirit of divisive sectarianism. Abandon that, and God will not hate you. You will open the door to fellowship with all true Christians, and leave the divisive religious rhetoric thankfully behind you!

The "Mary" that Roman Catholics venerate is not the Mary the mother of Jesus. She is dead and buried like all the others who lived during the 1st Century, awaiting for the resurrection of the godly when Jesus comes to collect them. The "Mary" of the RCC statues is none other than the pagan "Queen of Heaven" dressed up to look like Mary, but in reality the Christianized "Mary" is a pretence, when the reality is that they are praying to a pagan goddess who according to Paul is made of wood and stone and no god at all.

 

[Curtis]

There’s a problem with idolizing Mary.

One day Mary came to see Jesus, and sent word she was there, through the packed crowd that surrounded Jesus - when told His mother was there there, He did not part the crowd and make way for her to enter - instead He said those who do will of God are His mother.

This is evidence Jesus did not exalt Mary above anyone else, and neither should we

 

[Oseas]

There’s a problem with idolizing Mary.
One day Mary came to see Jesus, and sent word she was there, through the packed crowd that surrounded Jesus - when told His mother was there there, He did not part the crowd and make way for her to enter - instead He said those who do will of God are His mother.

This is evidence Jesus did not exalt Mary above anyone else, and neither should we

Matthew 12:v.46 to 50 -

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


John 2:v.3-4

3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto JESUS, They have no wine.

4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?

 

[theefaith]

That's false and pure rationalization. Calling God your Savior is in fact an admission of the need for redemption from sin, and involves *being a sinner.* You're just buying into traditional Catholic arguments, defending the Catholic Church, but without any concern for the truth.

I know of no example of anybody calling God their Savior without the acknowledgement of their need for mercy. But that is just the tip of the iceberg in this argument.

All descended from Adam have required either mercy and forgiveness or sin offerings. Under the Law, there was no exception. Every man, woman, and child in Israel had to be atoned for, because of their innate sinfulness. And all others were considered pagan, and outside the pale of God's blessings, due to their innate sinfulness. *All* needed salvation for their sinfulness. That was Pauline theology.

The only one without sin was Jesus. Nowhere is Mary said to be an exception to the rule. To be a saint, or to be called "blameless," never required perfection. It only required consistency in faith, with an application for God's mercy on behalf of the imperfections.

To call Mary a "queen of heaven" sounds more like some kind of Babylonian religion. To deify anything other than God is idolatry, and God said He is opposed to it. To do so is itself a sin.

Christ is the only savior
His merits provide grace and mercy salvation to all even to Mary but in advance to prepare Her to be the mother of God

no one said Mary is God
Just queen
Since when does queen mean God?
David and Solomon’s mothers were queen
Lk 1:32-33 Jesus is king therefore Mary is queen

 

[theefaith]

So tell us what ten kings that were reigning at the same time names are, that happened long ago.

also who was the eleventh king that overthrew three of those ten?

this prophecy is dan 2:44
Gold silver bronze iron
Iron was the pagan Roman Empire
Conquered by Christ thru his kingdom the holy church

 

[theefaith]

Jesus would not have been tempted by the devil if Mary were sinless.

He was tempted because His mother had a sinful nature, and remained sinless because sinless God is His father.

If Mary had to be sinless to have a sinless Jesus, then her mother had to be sinless to have a sinless Mary, and her grandmother would have to be sinless so her mother would be sinless, going all the way back through the entire family - which is ludicrous.

And scripture is clear Joseph had sex with his wife after Jesus was born - she was not a perpetual virgin.

where does it say they had sex?

anything consecrated to God’s service has to be pure immaculate and holy
Read exodus
The ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity

Lk 1:49 He that is mighty has done great things to me!

what things (plural)?

one is the miraculous conception of Jesus in Mary by the Holy Spirit

what is the other?

 

[theefaith]

He doesn't have to prove anything. It is you who is prosecuting the Mariology stuff, and therefore you have to prove it. All you have done so far is to insert your addition to the Scripture.
When Mary said that her soul exults in God, nothing is said about her soul being immaculate. That is your addition to the Scripture, reading into it something that is not there.

gen 3:15 enmity total war with Satan
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity

 

[theefaith]

Biblical Mary!

From Genesis to revelation!

First promise of salvation!

Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Total war: enmity

None of satans works are found in Mary, she belongs entirely to God!
Even consecration herself to God at a very young age.

Isa 7:14

1 kings 2: 17 And he said, Speak, I pray thee, unto Solomon the king, (for he will not say thee nay,) that he give me Abishag the Shunammite to wife.

18 And Bathsheba said, Well; I will speak for thee unto the king.

19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

20 Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

2 Tim 2: 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. How much more Mary who was prepared by God thru the immaculate conception! Lk 1:49

Heb 2:7

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands





Mary is the great sign of the divinity of Christ!

Isa 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Lk 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Lk 2:35
a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Matt 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Jn 2:3
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

Jn 2:11
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Rev 12:1
And there appeared a great sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 1:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.





A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.








Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace