What Is The Meaning Of Jesus The Son Of God? and Why?

[amigo de christo]

I've given you 3 good scriptures saying Jesus came in the flesh, I believe He was fully God and fully man.
I mean, it wasn't a spirit that was crucified and tortured, the Spirit in Him, same as the one in true Christians is how He drew His strength as the human side of Him suffered horribly, and warring against the Spirit as He was tempted in all ways we are.
JM2C :)

Yet HE himself never sinned . as i am sure you do agree . Oh and also this
We are given the spirit in part . BUT the actual SPIRIT , who do we think that is . SPIRIT OF GOD , SPIRIT OF CHRIST . one and the same .
March on in the trenches dear sister . POINT TO CHRIST . yes indeed .
I tell you it is EXPEDIANT FOR YOU that I DO GO AWAY
for i go not away , THE COMFORTER , SPIRIT cannot be sent unto you .
You have seen HIM and HE WILL BE WITH YOU . YEAH , the SPIRIT , THE WORD , GOD , exactlly .
Now lift those hands and praise the KING

 

[Mr E]

And yet the Bible clearly states that Jesus of Nazareth was SUPERNATURALLY conceived by the Holy Ghost (Spirit). So you are another one of those people bringing false doctrines to Christianity Board. Does "Mr E" stand for "Mr Error"?

You think that was error? Don’t you know the scriptures?

God is spirit. John 4.

And God is not a man. Numbers 23

So who is in error?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Yes, it should seem pretty obvious that God can command the physical realm with the Holy Spirit. Genesis speaks of God's spirit creating the Universe. Jesus commanded the elements probably with the Holy Spirit. And there is Jesus Body conceived with the Holy Spirit.

Hello Devin, and thank you.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Jesus did not become the Son of God at that time. He was ETERNALLY the Only Begotten Son of God (also called "the Word of God" in John 1:1). "The same was in the beginning with God" (John 1:3) = The same was eternally with God the Father. Thus "Whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING" (Micah 5:2).

Hello Enoch, and thank you.

Walter

 

[Enoch111]

You think that was error? Don’t you know the scriptures? God is spirit. John 4. And God is not a man. Numbers 23. So who is in error?

You are still in error because you have cherry picked some verses and do not know the truth. So here is the truth: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:34,35)

The "Holy Ghost" is the Holy Spirit and "the Highest" is God the Father, who is also Spirit. Yet Jesus of Nazareth was conceived in this manner supernaturally. So you are still in error.

 

[Raccoon1010]

You think that was error? Don’t you know the scriptures?

God is spirit. John 4.

And God is not a man. Numbers 23

So who is in error?

If you accept the 2nd book of Enoch found in the dead sea scrolls as scripture then God the Father also has a body. Which is something that I believe also and have seen for myself.

 

[Mr E]

If you accept the 2nd book of Enoch found in the dead sea scrolls as scripture then God the Father also has a body. Which is something that I believe also and have seen for myself.

God does have a body. And He lives in that body. It's called His temple, or His tent, or His vessel, or His house, His church, His body.

And it is you. He doesn't dwell in houses made of human hands. He dwells in a heavenly kingdom not seen-- a kingdom within. These are His words, that Jesus taught.

 

[Mr E]

You are still in error because you have cherry picked some verses and do not know the truth. So here is the truth: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:34,35)

The "Holy Ghost" is the Holy Spirit and "the Highest" is God the Father, who is also Spirit. Yet Jesus of Nazareth was conceived in this manner supernaturally. So you are still in error.

Does something true become untrue when highlighted? Jesus was a wonderful verse cherry picker, wasn't he? What he taught was that their understanding of certain verses, or more properly- certain concepts was in error. The verses were true, and remained true even when and especially when he explained what they really mean. "You have heard....." -he taught.... "but I say...."

In other words-- You think this means that, but I'm telling you that what you think is in error.

If you have no understanding of how the Holy Spirit comes upon a person, then your understanding of everything that follows will be lacking. But you are so eager to swing your sword. In the end you are just beating the wind.

 

[ScottA]

Thursday 2-9-23 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 17, 5783 51st. Winter Day

Here is a view of what I think:

Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14).

Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

Love, Walter

The statement, "So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’ is the giveaway.

Even people call their pet projects, their "baby." Why not "call" a walking, talking, "babe" that grows up to be like other men as well as like no other men, His "Son?" But we should remember that all men by "their kind" were "created in the image of God"--a created "image." That God "created" everything including mankind out of a "void", meaning emptiness--nothing. He "spoke" us into being--into beings. But the key word here is "spoke." Put it together in your mind: He "spoke" an "image" into "being." He put out a word picture--it's all a word picture! What's a word picture? It's a "story." And if you didn't know before seeing or reading it--it's a "revelation." History--His story--is an image for revelation! A revelation to whom? To us--"whoever has an ear, let them hear!"

But it's all passing away...and the message is that we can either pass from it into death or into life everlasting--"therefore choose life." Jesus is Life.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

The statement, "So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’ is the giveaway.

Even people call their pet projects, their "baby." Why not "call" a walking, talking, "babe" that grows up to be like other men as well as like no other men, His "Son?" But we should remember that all men by "their kind" were "created in the image of God"--a created "image." That God "created" everything including mankind out of a "void", meaning emptiness--nothing. He "spoke" us into being--into beings. But the key word here is "spoke." Put it together in your mind: He "spoke" an "image" into "being." He put out a word picture--it's all a word picture! What's a word picture? It's a "story." And if you didn't know before seeing or reading it--it's a "revelation." History--His story--is an image for revelation! A revelation to whom? To us--"whoever has an ear, let them hear!"

But it's all passing away...and the message is that we can either pass from it into death or into life everlasting--"therefore choose life." Jesus is Life.

Hello Scott, Amen, great post, you know ever since I made Jesus my choice all things have become a new lifestyle, thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[Enoch111]

In other words-- You think this means that, but I'm telling you that what you think is in error.

No. I do not think this means that. I gave you the verse which debunked your false notion about spirit begetting spirit. Christ was "conceived by the Holy Spirit" (as noted in the Apostles' Creed) which is exactly what is revealed in Luke. So why don't you simply admit that you were in error, and then stop calling yourself "Mr E"? Even "Mister Rogers" would be better. (BTW Mister Rogers exposed the fallacy of transgenderism long ago).

 

[Adam]

Christ is the Logos of God, which is the outward expansion of God's consciousness.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Christ is the Logos of God, which is the outward expansion of God's consciousness.

Hello Adam, and thank you.

Walter

 

[Taken]

Thursday 2-9-23 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 17, 5783 51st. Winter Day

Here is a view of what I think:

Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14).

Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

Love, Walter

What Is The Meaning Of Jesus The Son Of God? and Why?​

OP^

God is:
Spirit, Invisible, without Beginning, without Mother, without Father, without Offspring.

His Fame is:
Holy, Creator, Maker, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient.

I believe the MYSTERY lies in the Two Key Words...Creator and Maker.


* Thoughts, Ideas, Plan, Intent, Council, Discussion, Preparedness, Execute.
I believe God Desired to Create a Family to Love, Care For, that would Choose to Reciprocate His Love, and Be Made His Family.

* I Believe; His “Council”, IS:
His Thoughts, His Word, His Power: In Full Agreement; to execute His Plan in a Precise manner, ie Order and Way.

* God CAN NOT “produce or re-produce” an OFFSPRING.
Offsprings ARE in the Likeness of it’s Parent...ie HAS a Beginning.
God who HAS no Beginning, CAN NOT have an Offspring, “without a beginning”.

* DILEMMA...!!
How TO; Have children, a family, WITHOUT “the capability to re-produce a offspring, WITHOUT a beginning”?

* I would guess in Gods council, of His Thoughts, His Word, His Power...
The Solution to the Dilemma; CREATE and THEN MAKE the Willing Creations Be Offered the “Option”, Henceforth From their Creation, to Thereafter;
Live Forever more.

* DILEMMA...!!
The CREATED; Can NOT; see, hear, smell, touch, taste, feel, God.

* I would guess in Gods council, of His Thoughts, His Word, His Power...
THREE Major things were Decided;
1) CREATE a Formed thing, (man), with Option to Become MADE His Family.
2) MAKE that Formed thing ALIVE, with a UN-seen Soul with Gods Life.
3) CREATE and MAKE, a Habitat, FOR the Formed thing TO SEE...mysterious, yet wonderful things...planets, stars, clouds, mountains, oceans, streams, weather effects, day and night, plants springing up, fruits springing forth, plants dying, animals...

* That unseen SOUL “thingy”....IS ALL ABOUT...Communication...possible between AN UNSEEN GOD and a CREATED Formed thing, God called A MAN-KIND of thing.

* When Ancient (beginning of man-KIND), man/men HEARD from God...it was precisely THAT....”them”
~ HEARING from a VOICE their CREATED EARS could NOT HEAR, but their SOUL could Hear His VOICE;
~ Their Created EYES could not SEE, but their SOUL could See Visions.

* And nothing new...Every naturally procreated, born MAN-KIND of thing, is GIVEN a SOUL, with Gods Life, MAKING that man ABLE for God, one on one to Communicate with that one CREATED man.

Continued:

 

[Taken]

Continued:
Not particularly NEWS....
~ Reproduction of Man continually Increasing.
~ Discoveries, Sciences, Trials, Errors, Successes, Knowledge of MAN-Kind continually Increasing.
~ Discoveries USED for Good, USED for Wickedness.
~ ManKIND continually weighing, ciphering, Discoveries intended for Good, Discoveries intended for Wickedness.

* Disappointing, Maddening, TO GOD...Discoveries intended for Wickedness is out-weighing USE for Goodness.

* A promise to MAN-KIND....God Himself WOULD come among Man-KIND...
Face to Face, and SPEAK to their “earthly EARS”, absolute TRUTH and WAY for manKind to Exercise their CHOICE to BE WITH God IN Goodness....
** The Ultimate PERFECT EXAMPLE:
DESPITE the greedy power and wealth grabbing, control forcing, oppression, OF wicked men.

Gods PLAN Prevailed ***** JESUS ****
Who and What is this CALLED JESUS?

The Who IS God; PURPOSING IN HIMSELF, His WILL, His Desire, FOR His Created ManKind of thing....FOR WHAT the lowly man, without wealth, without ruling power, without an army....CAN CHOOSE...
DESPITE being oppressed By Wicked men.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

God Promised.
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God Fulfilled His Promise.
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son...

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

God SENT FORTH, out of HIS MOUTH....His Word Accomplished...And Returned to God.

John 16:
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

John 17:
[8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

* The CREATED, without knowledge of God...
* Are MADE, with the ability to Learn about God...
* Have FREEWILL, to Choose to Believe and HOPE wickedness does not convince them otherwise.
* Have FREEWILL, to Choose to Believe and CONFESS their Belief, and
BE MADE Kept forever ALIVE By the Power of God and forever WITH God and SEE Him, as He IS...Spirit.

***God CAN NOT reproduce OFF-SPRING without a Beginning.
***God CAN MAKE (BY GIVING HIS SEED) to: His (man-KIND) CREATIONS in standing, of confessed Belief IN HIM, FORWARD, Forever ALIVE....
AND
*** DECLARE them His Son, His People, His Children, His Beloved, His Pleasure Fulfilled.

*** And BTW, His SEED, is called CHRIST.

Gods OFFSPRING:
via His OFFER, His SEED, His MAKING, His DECLARATION, His PLEASURE, His Family.

Mans OPTION, Freewill to Choose their own pleasure.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WalterandDebbie]

God is spirit. Spirit gives birth to spirit. NOT flesh.

Flesh gives birth to flesh. People are too quick to equate one with the other, while scripture makes it clear that the physical and the spiritual are separate. "The holy one" is not flesh, but spirit. The son of God HAS to be spirit and not flesh because the Father in heaven is spirit and not flesh. I know this idea is upsetting to many. That doesn't change anything. People get trapped by their ideas and some never escape those prisons of their own making.

Continued:
Not particularly NEWS....
~ Reproduction of Man continually Increasing.
~ Discoveries, Sciences, Trials, Errors, Successes, Knowledge of MAN-Kind continually Increasing.
~ Discoveries USED for Good, USED for Wickedness.
~ ManKIND continually weighing, ciphering, Discoveries intended for Good, Discoveries intended for Wickedness.

* Disappointing, Maddening, TO GOD...Discoveries intended for Wickedness is out-weighing USE for Goodness.

* A promise to MAN-KIND....God Himself WOULD come among Man-KIND...
Face to Face, and SPEAK to their “earthly EARS”, absolute TRUTH and WAY for manKind to Exercise their CHOICE to BE WITH God IN Goodness....
** The Ultimate PERFECT EXAMPLE:
DESPITE the greedy power and wealth grabbing, control forcing, oppression, OF wicked men.

Gods PLAN Prevailed ***** JESUS ****
Who and What is this CALLED JESUS?

The Who IS God; PURPOSING IN HIMSELF, His WILL, His Desire, FOR His Created ManKind of thing....FOR WHAT the lowly man, without wealth, without ruling power, without an army....CAN CHOOSE...
DESPITE being oppressed By Wicked men.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

God Promised.
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God Fulfilled His Promise.
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son...

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

God SENT FORTH, out of HIS MOUTH....His Word Accomplished...And Returned to God.

John 16:
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

John 17:
[8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

* The CREATED, without knowledge of God...
* Are MADE, with the ability to Learn about God...
* Have FREEWILL, to Choose to Believe and HOPE wickedness does not convince them otherwise.
* Have FREEWILL, to Choose to Believe and CONFESS their Belief, and
BE MADE Kept forever ALIVE By the Power of God and forever WITH God and SEE Him, as He IS...Spirit.

***God CAN NOT reproduce OFF-SPRING without a Beginning.
***God CAN MAKE (BY GIVING HIS SEED) to: His (man-KIND) CREATIONS in standing, of confessed Belief IN HIM, FORWARD, Forever ALIVE....
AND
*** DECLARE them His Son, His People, His Children, His Beloved, His Pleasure Fulfilled.

*** And BTW, His SEED, is called CHRIST.

Gods OFFSPRING:
via His OFFER, His SEED, His MAKING, His DECLARATION, His PLEASURE, His Family.

Mans OPTION, Freewill to Choose their own pleasure.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hello Taken, and thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[amigo de christo]

No. I do not think this means that. I gave you the verse which debunked your false notion about spirit begetting spirit. Christ was "conceived by the Holy Spirit" (as noted in the Apostles' Creed) which is exactly what is revealed in Luke. So why don't you simply admit that you were in error, and then stop calling yourself "Mr E"? Even "Mister Rogers" would be better. (BTW Mister Rogers exposed the fallacy of transgenderism long ago).

You need to get to the restoration post . We got us one sir patrick who is selling another go spell unto the peoples .

 

[WalterandDebbie]

God is spirit. Spirit gives birth to spirit. NOT flesh.

Flesh gives birth to flesh. People are too quick to equate one with the other, while scripture makes it clear that the physical and the spiritual are separate. "The holy one" is not flesh, but spirit. The son of God HAS to be spirit and not flesh because the Father in heaven is spirit and not flesh. I know this idea is upsetting to many. That doesn't change anything. People get trapped by their ideas and some never escape those prisons of their own making.

Good morning Mr E, and thank you

Love, Walter

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken, and thank you.

Love, Walter

Hi Walter...
A marvelous and heavy time we are living in.

FEW Having absolute Truth and the Heavy Power sitters having MANY on board pressing from every imaginable angle....Away from the Truth.

God Bless you and yours Brother,
Taken

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hi Walter...
A marvelous and heavy time we are living in.

FEW Having absolute Truth and the Heavy Power sitters having MANY on board pressing from every imaginable angle....Away from the Truth.

God Bless you and yours Brother,
Taken

Hi Taken, I must agree Brother, I can remember when Jesus said to take His yoke upon ourselves and learn of Him, but I did not expect soo much of the world's influences away from the truth, but only if we would continue in His words.

Love, Walter