What is the one true Church?

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello EG,

By the power of God, of course!

You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

Pax et Bonum

so he recieved that in the catholic church? How was that accomplished?

 

[Philip James]

so he recieved that in the catholic church? How was that accomplished?

do You need me to answer yet again?


You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

Pax et Bonum

 

[Grailhunter]

And WHO is “demonizing” women and sex and marriage??

Priests are simply heeding Paul’s teaching on the holy nature of celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom of God.
You see – it’s YOUR idiotic perversion here – not mine.

Paul NEVER even implies that the celibate life is supposed to be a “temporary” thing. It’s more of his teaching of mortification of the flesh for the glory of God, as he taight in verses like Rom. 8:13; see also Col. 3:5, and Gal. 5:24.

It is in this same spirit that Catholics deny themselves certain luxuries during Lent.

Oh boy! Do you think that the term holy nature is in 1st Corinthians? There is nothing holy about celibacy. Our mothers are pure. There is nothing about marriage or family or have children that makes anybody less holy.

Man! You have a problem! These scriptures do not mean anything like what you think they mean. The normal Christian course of life is not immoral! Husband and wife....marriage....children....family....no immorality involved there. Nothing to avoid, everything to embrace.

These scriptures are not suggesting institutionalized celibacy...and all the evils therein.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

do You need me to answer yet again?


You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

Pax et Bonum

I did not know the catholic church taught we were saved by the Holy Spirit burying us into christ?

 

[Philip James]

I did not know the catholic church taught we were saved by the Holy Spirit burying us into christ?

Baptism in the Church

1226 From the very day of Pentecost the Church has celebrated and administered holy Baptism. Indeed St. Peter declares to the crowd astounded by his preaching: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."26 The apostles and their collaborators offer Baptism to anyone who believed in Jesus: Jews, the God-fearing, pagans.27 Always, Baptism is seen as connected with faith: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household," St. Paul declared to his jailer in Philippi. and the narrative continues, the jailer "was baptized at once, with all his family."28

1227 According to the Apostle Paul, the believer enters through Baptism into communion with Christ's death, is buried with him, and rises with him:

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.29

The baptized have "put on Christ."30 Through the Holy Spirit, Baptism is a bath that purifies, justifies, and sanctifies.31

1228 Hence Baptism is a bath of water in which the "imperishable seed" of the Word of God produces its life-giving effect.32 St. Augustine says of Baptism: "The word is brought to the material element, and it becomes a sacrament."33

Just a sample of what the catechism has to say on Baptism beginning here: Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Pax et Bonum

 

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as He takes on human flesh and it ends in the Resurrection of the glorified Christ, who henceforth forever retains His identity as man.

What do you mean....? His name identity? His Bodily Appearance of FLESHand BLOOD?

It ought to be obvious to just about everybody that no other religion incorporates this particular (and particularly profound) understanding of the relationship of nature to nature’s God.

The “relationship” of “nature to nature’s God”....what odd language.

Every human philosophy inevitably makes too much of nature or too little, and sometimes both at once, as in modern secularism which sees nature as all and so ignores that to which it points. What may be surprising, however, is that even among Christians those who have doctrinally fallen away from Rome have largely lost the unique and special wholeness of this Christian vision. Thus, from its beginning, Protestantism has been preoccupied with what it regards as the depravity of human nature, its radical incapacity for goodness, its reliance on grace as on something which supplants man’s nature rather than penetrates it.

Here we find the cause of Protestantism’s inability to understand the importance of works to salvation,

When a Catholic says “WORKS to Salvation”....What exactly does a Catholic mean. Some examples?

By contrast, Catholicism flowers in nature, transforming and elevating not only man himself but man’s culture.
The astonishing achievements of Catholic culture over two millennia—in art and literature, sculpture and architecture, education and government, work and play, fast and feast—are one and all rooted in the Incarnational principle. The sense that the human body is itself a repository of grace, a temple of the Holy Spirit, fosters a unique Catholic mode of being in which the mind and spirit are never alone, never cut off. Rather man worships God in his body, and carries all of nature beyond itself in the quest to fulfill the very end of religion, which is for all creation to give glory to God.

What do you mean, A man worship God in his body?
Worships Gods Body?
Or
Man in his own Body worships God?

Not in the abstract, then, is Catholic salvation worked out, but in the concrete; not in the general, but in the particular. The Catholic vision is not one of being “attached” to Christ, but of “putting on” Christ (Gal 3:27), not one of merely receiving an external gift, but of living the Christ life deep within—so that I live, no not I, but Christ lives in me (Gal 2:20). Each virtue is cultivated, each habit transformed and elevated, each relationship purified, each work ennobled. And the power for this continuous transformation is nourished—no, actually ingested—and formed into community through the Eucharist, the Word quite literally made Flesh, the Body and Blood really and actually present, not in figure or even in grace alone, but in its very substance.

Again “Works”....what works, that are now “ennobled”, and what is the consequence for “ennobled” works?

Every Catholic is called to a life-long process of incorporating (I choose the word advisedly) his whole self, body and soul, into Christ,

How does an INFANT, make that Pledge? as some Catholics claim to receive the Holy Spirit at infant baptism.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh boy! Do you think that the term holy nature is in 1st Corinthians? There is nothing holy about celibacy. Our mothers are pure. There is nothing about marriage or family or have children that makes anybody less holy.

Man! You have a problem! These scriptures do not mean anything like what you think they mean. The normal Christian course of life is not immoral! Husband and wife....marriage....children....family....no immorality involved there. Nothing to avoid, everything to embrace.

These scriptures are not suggesting institutionalized celibacy...and all the evils therein.

There is nothing holy about YOUR perverse understanding of celibacy for the service of God.
Paul, however, finds it holy and implies that the celibate person is sanctified by this

If a husband and wife are sanctified through each other by marriage, which Paul calls a “Good” thing – how much MORE sanctified is the celibate person in service to God, which Paul calls an even “BETTER” thing (1 Cor. 7:38)??

The very DEFINITION of “Sanctification” is:
“The action of making or declaring something HOLY”

You’re out of your league here.
You argue like a child because you don’t think things through.

 

[Grailhunter]

Paul, however, finds it holy and implies that the celibate person is sanctified by this

Did Paul say holy......and implied is your opinion....and the proof is in the pudding....as it turned out the Church has been disgraced by it....as it turns out....anything but holy....it has neither served Christ or the Church but drag both through the mud.

 

[rockytopva]

What makes you think we are not as appalled as you are? No one has ever denied the crazy things people did 1000+ years ago. But the whole story is seldom told. Digging up centuries old dirt just hurts peoples feelings.



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How about ALL OF US PEOPLE forge our swords into plow shares, forgive each other for the evil things BOTH our spiritual ancestors did. We should strive to make forums like a friendly cafe, not a bar room brawl. Let's all pray a minute before we post.
JP2 pleads:

1. Ut unum sint! The call for Christian unity made by the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council with such impassioned commitment is finding an ever greater echo in the hearts of believers,(US PEOPLE) especially as the Year 2000 approaches, a year which Christians will celebrate as a sacred Jubilee, the commemoration of the Incarnation of the Son of God, who became man in order to save humanity...​

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2. No one is unaware of the challenge which all this poses to believers. (US PEOPLE) They cannot fail to meet this challenge. Indeed, how could they refuse to do everything possible, with God's help, to break down the walls of division and distrust, to overcome obstacles and prejudices which thwart the proclamation of the Gospel of salvation in the Cross of Jesus, the one Redeemer of man, of every individual?​

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I thank the Lord that he has led us to make progress along the path of unity and communion between Christians, a path difficult but so full of joy. Interconfessional dialogues at the theological level have produced positive and tangible results: this encourages us to move forward.​

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Nevertheless, besides the doctrinal differences needing to be resolved, Christians (US PEOPLE) cannot underestimate the burden of long-standing misgivings inherited from the past, and of mutual misunderstandings and prejudices. Complacency, indifference and insufficient knowledge of one another often make this situation worse. Consequently, the commitment to ecumenism must be based upon the conversion of hearts and upon prayer, which will also lead to the necessary purification of past memories.​

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With the grace of the Holy Spirit, the Lord's disciples, inspired by love, by the power of the truth and by a sincere desire for mutual forgiveness and reconciliation, are called to re-examine together their painful past and the hurt which that past regrettably continues to provoke even today.​

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All together, they (US PEOPLE) are invited by the ever fresh power of the Gospel to acknowledge with sincere and total objectivity the mistakes made and the contingent factors at work at the origins of their deplorable divisions. What is needed is a calm, clear-sighted and truthful vision of things, a vision enlivened by divine mercy and capable of freeing people's minds and of inspiring in everyone a renewed willingness, precisely with a view to proclaiming the Gospel to the men and women of every people and nation.​

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It's an invitation, not a command. That's quite a big challenge for US PEOPLE, dontcha think?

The Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness Church... In which I am still a member of! Wonderful people! When the old WW2 generation passed away the church went down with it. As much as I love the organization of the Pentecostal Holiness movement we are no good without good people. "What makes you think we are not as appalled as you are?" you ask? I am equally appalled when our church goes out of the Spirit and into the Flesh and the people do not have the discernment to know the evil that has befell them.

With one generation comes one thing... With another generation comes another. That is why I do not promote our church as "The one true church" as we cannot keep our church good and wonderful down through the generations!

 

[Jim B]

I forget, what's yours?

Hugs

That most of us own and read the Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Did Paul say holy......and implied is your opinion....and the proof is in the pudding....as it turned out the Church has been disgraced by it....as it turns out....anything but holy....it has neither served Christ or the Church but drag both through the mud.

Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

Some Biblical truths are EXPLICITLY.
Some Biblical truths are IMPLICIT.

An example of an explicit truth –
God spoke and the universe leapt into existence (Gen. 1:1-25).

An example of an implicit truth –
Jesus is God (John 1:1).

Paul ABSOLUTELY implies that celibacy for the service of God is HOLY.

As I explained in my last Bible Lesson – he states that a husband and a wife SANCTIFIEY each other by virtue of their marriage, which he calls a GOOD thing.
He refers to celibacy for the service of God and even “BETTEER” thing (1 Cor. 7:38).

Ergo, if we are sanctified in marriage by service to each other – we are MORE sanctified by our celibacy in service to GOD.
Why is this so difficult for you to grasp??

And the Church hasn’t been “disgraced” by celibacy.
It has been disgraced by the behavior and lack of self control of some of its adherents.
The very SAME thing has happened to a greater extent in the Protestant sects, which ALLOW marriage.

 

[marks]

I am equally appalled when our church goes out of the Spirit and into the Flesh and the people do not have the discernment to know the evil that has befell them.

Heartbreak!

Much love!

 

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There is not ONE Protestant “Pope” over ALL Protestant

Protestants do not have “popes”.

factions precisely because

Because Protestants do not have “popes”.

you are splintered into separated FACTIONS –

Nope, just one person.

each having invented their own “doctrines”.

I can not speak for (as you say 10s of thousands of Protestant Churches), lol.
But I would say the MAJORITY, have built their Church UPON the ROCK of Christ’s Church WHICH IS:
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
UNLIKE....your Church!

So, we have tens of thousands of little “Popes” . . .

“WE”? Now you are a Protestant?

Under Mosaic Sin Law, not under the Law, Catholic, Protestant, Received the HS without Confessed Belief, but do works to be saved.....what a mishmash of uncertainty.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Protestants do not have “popes”.

SURE you do.
You just don’t call them “Popes” . . .

Nope, just one person.

Even more of a little “Pope” when you are a Long Ranger . . .

I can not speak for (as you say 10s of thousands of Protestant Churches), lol.
But I would say the MAJORITY, have built their Church UPON the ROCK of Christ’s Church WHICH IS:
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
UNLIKE....your Church!

Uh-huh.
That’s why they ALL teach different doctrines that are as different as night and day . . .

Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on . . .

“WE”? Now you are a Protestant?

“We” as a society.

I don’t share your “Popes” . . .

 

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@BreadOfLife
@Illuminator
@Grailhunter
@David in NJ
@Ziggy
@Eternally Grateful

7 months old news, (September 2022) that no one to my knowledge has mentioned on this forum.

With the adoption this week by the 7th World Religions Congress of the Human Fraternity document created by Pope Francis and Mohamed bin Zayed, Chrislam is now the official One World Religion. (ref; thethirdheaven.com)​

****Catholics, Muslims, Jews....can (lol) now call themselves; Chrislam

CHRISLAM UPDATE: SEE THE FIRST IMAGES OF CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS ON ABRAHAMIC FAMILY HOUSE IN ABU DHABI OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGION HEADQUARTERS​

The names of the three Chrislam houses of worship have been revealed as Imam Al Tayeb Mosque, St Francis Church, and Moses ben Maimon Synagogue.(ref: gospelnewnetwork.org)

(Further updates as I believe the complex is finished...
Located on Saadiyat Island, United Arab Emirates.)

Oooh, a new “holy” vac-k destination!

 

[Taken]

SURE you do.
You just don’t call them “Popes” . . .

Oh knock it off....you making up crap for other people is old, boring and juvenile. Go off to your Chrislam worship center and praise away.

 

[Taken]

Oh boy! Do you think that the term holy nature is in 1st Corinthians? There is nothing holy about celibacy. Our mothers are pure. There is nothing about marriage or family or have children that makes anybody less holy.

Man! You have a problem! These scriptures do not mean anything like what you think they mean. The normal Christian course of life is not immoral! Husband and wife....marriage....children....family....no immorality involved there. Nothing to avoid, everything to embrace.

These scriptures are not suggesting institutionalized celibacy...and all the evils therein.

Seriously...who in the Catholic Church would come to mind to Council FAMILIES...husband, wife, children....
A man who has never married, had a wife, had children...??

 

[David in NJ]

@BreadOfLife
@Illuminator
@Grailhunter
@David in NJ
@Ziggy
@Eternally Grateful

7 months old news, (September 2022) that no one to my knowledge has mentioned on this forum.

With the adoption this week by the 7th World Religions Congress of the Human Fraternity document created by Pope Francis and Mohamed bin Zayed, Chrislam is now the official One World Religion. (ref; thethirdheaven.com)​

****Catholics, Muslims, Jews....can (lol) now call themselves; Chrislam

CHRISLAM UPDATE: SEE THE FIRST IMAGES OF CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS ON ABRAHAMIC FAMILY HOUSE IN ABU DHABI OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGION HEADQUARTERS​

The names of the three Chrislam houses of worship have been revealed as Imam Al Tayeb Mosque, St Francis Church, and Moses ben Maimon Synagogue.(ref: gospelnewnetwork.org)

(Further updates as I believe the complex is finished...
Located on Saadiyat Island, United Arab Emirates.)

Oooh, a new “holy” vac-k destination!

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

6 - Mosque - nations of Ishmael - Beast
6 - Synagogue - Jews of the flesh nation Israel are Antichrist
6 - Church - all Gentile nations under the False Prophet - RCC

Now as a Body of Believers(666) = Collectively you have the "Man of Sin"

Very soon they will put on their 'Tefillin' = the counterfeit of Deut 6:6-9 = Revelation 13:16 the Mark (Head/Hand)

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife
@Illuminator
@Grailhunter
@David in NJ
@Ziggy
@Eternally Grateful

7 months old news, (September 2022) that no one to my knowledge has mentioned on this forum.
With the adoption this week by the 7th World Religions Congress of the Human Fraternity document created by Pope Francis and Mohamed bin Zayed, Chrislam is now the official One World Religion. (ref; thethirdheaven.com)

****Catholics, Muslims, Jews....can (lol) now call themselves; Chrislam

CHRISLAM UPDATE: SEE THE FIRST IMAGES OF CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS ON ABRAHAMIC FAMILY HOUSE IN ABU DHABI OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGION HEADQUARTERS​

The names of the three Chrislam houses of worship have been revealed as Imam Al Tayeb Mosque, St Francis Church, and Moses ben Maimon Synagogue.(ref: gospelnewnetwork.org)

(Further updates as I believe the complex is finished...
Located on Saadiyat Island, United Arab Emirates.)

Oooh, a new “holy” vac-k destination!

Just shows the desperation of an ignorant anti-Catholic.
“Chrislam” is fictitious religious created by G.K.K Chesterton in his novel, The Flying Inn.

It is used by religious conspiracy theorists – like yourself.
What pathetic desperation . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh knock it off....you making up crap for other people is old, boring and juvenile. Go off to your Chrislam worship center and praise away.

Someone doth protest too much . . .