What makes a doctrine false?

[Bob Estey]

Sure.
How are you doing on your list?

Matthew 10:8 NIV
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a]
drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

I said easy to understand. I didn't say easy to carry out.

 

[Enoch111]

Is salvation by grace alone, or by works alone, both, or neither?
The Bible supports all four biblical opinions.

Salvation is BY GRACE through faith + NOTHING. Eternal life is a GIFT of God. Therefore salvation is a GIFT of God and the Holy Spirit is a GIFT of God. You can check out the Bible references for yourself.

 

[Wrangler]

What about none of the above?
You could also rate doctrines as
1. Extremely False
2. Somewhat False
3. Possibly False
4. Marginally False
5. Not at all False

No. Truth is absolute. There are not degrees of truth or false.

If I tell a big long story and 90% of it is true, it means the remaining 10% is 100% false. So, the key is to divide things discreetly into such absolutes.

 

[St. SteVen]

The simple fact that its a doctrine.

Very interesting. Thanks for joining us.
Will you tell us more about that?
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[St. SteVen]

I said easy to understand. I didn't say easy to carry out.

Good point. - LOL
Do you understand the list below?

Matthew 10:8 NIV
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a]
drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

 

[St. SteVen]

Eternal life is a GIFT of God.

I've heard of that. Here's how it works. (or doesn't)

Man #1: I have a free gift for you.
Man #2: No thanks.
Man #1: I said it was free.
Man #2: Are there strings attached?
Man #1: Well, of course.
Man #2: It isn't free then.
Man #1: You better take it, or else!
Man #2: Or else what?
Man #1: You'll be incinerated.
Man #2: What kind of free gift is that?

Indeed.

 

[Stumpmaster]

No. Truth is absolute. There are not degrees of truth or false.

The multichoice rating surveys are for statistical purposes.

Approval ratings are big business.

 

[Zachariah]

Very interesting. Thanks for joining us.
Will you tell us more about that?
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

The laws of nature, or shall we call it Truth, always has been and always will be. Truth was before man and will continue to be here after man as it is eternal. Truth is unseen, objective and un changing. Saying something is "true" does not make it true. Making up new "rights" does not make it right. Man cannot make something that is "not a right" into something that is a "right", as rights, truth and morality has already been pre defined by the creator before the existence of time. The best thing man can do is align his free will with truth and morality and live in harmony with his existence. Let's use the simple law of gravity as an example of objective truth. We can ignore the truth of gravity and we can even tell ourself it doesn't exist, but as we walk off that cliff we will surely fall to our death because truth is immutable, unchanging and has no care of what we believe or how we see it. Gravity is just an example, there are many other spiritual laws that govern our reality and serve us consequences if we choose to ignore them. Everything in our existence is bound by natural law (or Gods law) and even if we went a trillion light years away to the far reaches of the universe it would still be exactly the same. Truth is omnipresent.

No one can "own" truth. Christians don't own truth, Muslims don't own truth, you or me don't own truth. To claim what is true is the causal factor of all controle, confusion and chaos in this world, and it is here we see the true meaning of man eating the apple of good and evil, or should I say the knowlage of right and wrong. We lose sight of real truth when we decide to make it up for ourselves.

Jesus aligned himself with Truth and morality and became a living example of God. Jesus apposed man made law as it will always be in contridiction with Truth. He apposed the religious leaders of his time along with the Roman government. Nothing has changed to this day. When we see people rise in protest or speak real truth, it quickly gets squashed and crucified by government and what we call religion. The days of deep darkness and deception are among us. I encourage all who read this to use true discernment with everything, even the things you have trusted up unto this point. The Truth is all around you, it is not confined within any box or form of controled religion. Doctrines are an illusion and is simply man claiming to be God. They are to keep your conciousness confined in the chains of controle. True Christianity is about freedom, morality and truth, not religion, doctrines and fear.

The truth is all around you. Seek it, know it, align yourself with it, then bring a sword to its defence. You are sovereign.

 

[Stumpmaster]

I've heard of that. Here's how it works. (or doesn't)

Man #1: I have a free gift for you.
Man #2: No thanks.
Man #1: I said it was free.
Man #2: Are there strings attached?
Man #1: Well, of course.
Man #2: It isn't free then.
Man #1: You better take it, or else!
Man #2: Or else what?
Man #1: You'll be incinerated.
Man #2: What kind of free gift is that?

Indeed.

Man #2: What kind of free gift is that?

A very generous one, otherwise called MERCY.

 

[quietthinker]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

Doctrine with integrity glorifies God.
Doctrine without integrity has God appearing as a dictator; feels threatened when challenged and blames those opposed, easily.

 

[St. SteVen]

Everything in our existence is bound by natural law (or Gods law)...

Interesting post. Thanks for your reply.
I've rarely met anyone who understands what
I think you are saying here about God's law.
Not the same as the law of Moses.

Romans 7:22 NIV
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

Romans 7:25 NIV
... So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law,
but in my sinful nature[a] a slave to the law of sin.

Romans 8:7 NIV
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God;
it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people
so that by all possible means I might save some.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[St. SteVen]

Man #2: What kind of free gift is that?

A very generous one, otherwise called MERCY.

And if you don't receive it in this lifetime?

 

[Bob Estey]

Good point. - LOL
Do you understand the list below?

Matthew 10:8 NIV
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a]
drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

"Freely you have received; freely give" stands out for me.

 

[Zachariah]

Interesting post. Thanks for your reply.
I've rarely met anyone who understands what
I think you are saying here about God's law.
Not the same as the law of Moses.

Romans 7:22 NIV
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

Romans 7:25 NIV
... So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law,
but in my sinful nature[a] a slave to the law of sin.

Romans 8:7 NIV
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God;
it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people
so that by all possible means I might save some.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Hmm yes. Gods law, natural law, truth, kametic law or just plain old God. It all means the same thing. You won't see me quoting scripture much, all of what I say comes strait out and onto the board. Even tho scripture teaches us alot we need to learn to descern what is Truth without having to rely on something exterior from ourself. On that note, here is some script that I admire.

‘Heed these words, You who wish to probe the depths of nature: If you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither will you find it outside. In you is hidden the treasure of treasures. Know Thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods.’

Inscription on the Greek temple at Delphi – Delphi Oracle

 

[Patrick1966]

Salvation is BY GRACE through faith + NOTHING.

Will faith save a person that ignores those in great need that ask them for help?

 

[Patrick1966]

And if you don't receive it in this lifetime?

Because God is just and merciful, those not forgiven before death will have their testicles crushed in a nutcracker every second of every minute forever and ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Enoch111]

Will faith save a person that ignores those in great need that ask them for help?

That a a totally HYPOTHETICAL scenario. The one with genuine faith will not deny help to anyone who asks for it, provided that he can offer meaningful help.

 

[Olin]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

Anything that contradicts the Bible is false. Anything that the Bible contradicts is false. Other than that it may or may not be true, unless the Bible specifically says it's true.

 

[Olin]

That a a totally HYPOTHETICAL scenario. The one with genuine faith will not deny help to anyone who asks for it, provided that he can offer meaningful help.

James used the hypothetical scenario to say the same thing. The one caveat being a brother or sister in the faith ought not be denied.

 

[Jim B]

Hmm yes. Gods law, natural law, truth, kametic law or just plain old God. It all means the same thing. You won't see me quoting scripture much, all of what I say comes strait out and onto the board. Even tho scripture teaches us alot we need to learn to descern what is Truth without having to rely on something exterior from ourself. On that note, here is some script that I admire.

‘Heed these words, You who wish to probe the depths of nature: If you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither will you find it outside. In you is hidden the treasure of treasures. Know Thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods.’

Inscription on the Greek temple at Delphi – Delphi Oracle

Nice quote, but it clearly disagrees with Scripture. It has the aura of self-worship. And there is only one true God.