What Need I of Grace?

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course it's possible. Yahshua showed us that it is possible. He called us to follow his example.

What does it constitute?:

We can start here, step by step:

(CLV) DT 6:4
4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 5 So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity. 6 These words which I am instructing you today will come to be in your heart.

Oh he did

Well lets see

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10
[ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

And scripture confirms, that we all have failed to keep this standard. Which is Gods standard

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

so no my friend. You can not keep the law. No one ever has but one, And his name was Jesus, and he hung on a cross for you, BECAUSE you can not keep his law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How do we know what YHWH's standard is?

His standard is perfect righteousness

One sin, Your have fell bellow that standard.

So think of how many sins you have committed in your life. then contemplate just how far below Gods standard you are..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Believing isn't some ethereal Greek philosophy. If we believe; there is action behind it.

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

No one is saved by mere belief

it takes true saving faith

Faith is NEVER devoid of works

We are NOT saved by works.

 

[Candidus]

I wouldn't say that I have a strong handle on the languages by any means; but the tools are there for anyone to use. Once you start using them; you can't help but learn.

There are a lot of amateur pharmacists in this world that would agree! Yet, limited knowledge has led to a lot of dangerous drugs out there!

The same can be said of knowing just enough Greek or Hebrew to be dangerous!

The study of Linguistics is not an exact science, nor has anyone ever developed a perfect hermeneutical method that applies to everything that has ever been written. The danger is an overconfidence that such research is always unbiased, accurate, and dictatorial. Many who use these great resources take what they want to hear, ignore the rest, defy the Context in which the word is used, and set their feet in Dogmatic concrete.

The internet has placed many resources at our fingertips that would have taken vast amounts of money to compile in books. Things are available that you may have problems finding available to purchase. Yet, not everything is on the internet.

As for Linguistic resources, the internet does not reflect how these have evolved over time. Sometimes changes occur because we know more, and sometimes they happen for less than honorable reasons. For instance, what was once in an earlier version of a Lexicon, now omits certain variations.... because the majority of those available to purchase it, would find that certain use of the word to be doctrinally objectional to the majority Orthodoxy. Translation of the Bible can be skewed in places as to promote a majority theological view, or minimize what might support a minority position. Why produce a book that people will not buy unless it agrees with them? Why lose money? Satisfy the majority, and you may be a success!

I highly encourage Christians to learn, to study, to take advantage of these great resources! There is much good that can come from such studies, but I would caution them not to be overconfident that just because "this book said..." that that settles all debate, or establishes all truth.

Personally, I love language and word studies, but the more I know and see, it is not the Panacea that many in Christianity make of it.

 

[HARK!]

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Past tense.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.


(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

so no my friend. You can not keep the law. No one ever has but one, And his name was Jesus, and he hung on a cross for you, BECAUSE you can not keep his law.

(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

I like to let this verse really sink in, every time I read it.

 

[HARK!]

There are a lot of amateur pharmacists in this world that would agree! Yet, limited knowledge has led to a lot of dangerous drugs out there!

The same can be said of knowing just enough Greek or Hebrew to be dangerous!

The study of Linguistics is not an exact science, nor has anyone ever developed a perfect hermeneutical method that applies to everything that has ever been written. The danger is an overconfidence that such research is always unbiased, accurate, and dictatorial. Many who use these great resources take what they want to hear, ignore the rest, defy the Context in which the word is used, and set their feet in Dogmatic concrete.

The internet has placed many resources at our fingertips that would have taken vast amounts of money to compile in books. Things are available that you may have problems finding available to purchase. Yet, not everything is on the internet.

As for Linguistic resources, the internet does not reflect how these have evolved over time. Sometimes changes occur because we know more, and sometimes they happen for less than honorable reasons. For instance, what was once in an earlier version of a Lexicon, now omits certain variations.... because the majority of those available to purchase it, would find that certain use of the word to be doctrinally objectional to the majority Orthodoxy. Translation of the Bible can be skewed in places as to promote a majority theological view, or minimize what might support a minority position. Why produce a book that people will not buy unless it agrees with them? Why lose money? Satisfy the majority, and you may be a success!

I highly encourage Christians to learn, to study, to take advantage of these great resources! There is much good that can come from such studies, but I would caution them not to be overconfident that just because "this book said..." that that settles all debate, or establishes all truth.

Personally, I love language and word studies, but the more I know and see, it is not the Panacea that many in Christianity make of it.

You might find this short video on Bible sales interesting:

 

[Candidus]

These are amazing times. I first realized that something was wrong about 20 years before the internet took off. I eagerly sought the truth; but even with public libraries, and a life of ease compared to even 100 years before; it would have taken me several lifetimes of intensive research to bring me to the level that I'm at now. I believe that this generation will be held more accountable, with so many advantages. These are exciting times.

If you want to shock your Grandchildren, just tell them that you are older than the internet!

I am older than Cable TV, and even remember being shocked when I found out that my favorite cartoons were in Color! (And that the Color Television was broken when the Commercials were in Black and White"! I even know how to "Dial" a phone!

I believe that you are correct in saying that this generation will be held more accountable because of the easy availability to gain knowledge. It was not all that long ago that the illiterate outnumbered the literate. The word "Clergy" was used for religious leaders at one time; it was derived from "Cleric" because they could do clerical work, which meant that they could read and write. Even if most people could afford an expensive book through most of history, only a few of them could read it!

To regress... I cannot read too much off of a screen. I still prefer to lick my potentially COVID-19 fingers to turn a page in a book!

I had that hunger you describe, before the Internet. Instead of having vast "virtual" libraries at my fingertips off of a computer, I compiled most of my "literal" library before the internet. Still, there is nothing like an old musty book to take you back in time!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Past tense.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.


(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

So your perfect today? You are in a state where you do not sin, and have been in this state how long?

(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

I like to let this verse really sink in, every time I read it.

Then you should really let it sink into you that if you are under law. Or trying to obey the law

That verse speaks to you

Because since the law can never take away sins, Being under law would bring that passage into your life.. Which is why you shoud stop trying to obey a law you can neer follow. and turn to the law of Christ

 

[Candidus]

So your perfect today? You are in a state where you do not sin, and have been in this state how long?

The same logical fallacy and red herring keeps on coming forth when you do not know how to reconcile Scripture with your personal practice!

People have produced vast amounts of Scripture that mean something; yet the response to these Biblical Facts is either silence, "Looking it square in the yes, and moving on" or devolving into personal attacks [ad hominems] or attempts to poison the well.

No matter what distraction of evasion you make, it does not change what Scripture says! Stonewalling is no proof that Scripture is wrong, or that your opinion is true. A truckload of logical fallacies does not make what the Bible says, to evaporate or go away.

 

[HARK!]

Because since the law can never take away sins, Being under law would bring that passage into your life.. Which is why you shoud stop trying to obey a law you can neer follow. and turn to the law of Christ

The law of Christ is the law that YHWH gave to Moses.

If you don't transgress it; you aren't under the curses of transgression.

 

[CharismaticLady]

So are you telling me the only way to be saved is to stop sinning and THEN come to Christ?

No, of course not. You can't. When you realize you can't, but know sin can't enter heaven, that is when you cry out to Jesus knowing He is stronger than you, and you need His power in you, that He frees you from your old sin nature, and gives You His own Spirit. Romans 8:9. It is only by being born again of the Spirit that you have a new nature that is dead to sin, just like Jesus'. Romans 8:29.

 

[Candidus]

You might find this short video in Bible sales interesting:

At 1:45 and on, it states what I have seen.

1). The publisher wants to produce a product that appeals to the consumer. They make money by producing what sells.

2). The consumer wants something that confirms their expectations and biases.

3). If the consumer does not think that the Bible or product conforms to their expectations, it will not sell... even if it is more accurate.

This is why Christian Bookstore that can remain open, sell mostly the same things. They sell what people will buy that will confirm their bias. Sadly, especially with reference works, things can be skewed to affirm the majority bias so it can sell.

 

[HARK!]

At 1:45 and on, it states what I have seen.

1). The publisher wants to produce a product that appeals to the consumer. They make money by producing what sells.

2). The consumer wants something that confirms their expectations and biases.

3). If the product does not think that the Bible or product does not conform to their expectations, it will not sell... even if it is more accurate.

This is why Christian Bookstore that can remain open, sell mostly the same things. They sell what people will buy that will confirm their bias. Sadly, especially with reference works, things can be skewed to affirm the majority bias so it can sell.

I hadn't considered the reference works. That's a very important point.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The law of Christ is the law that YHWH gave to Moses.

That law was given to lead us as a schoolmaster to Christ.

I am talking about the law of love.

If you don't transgress it; you aren't under the curses of transgression.

Well since no one can do this, Everyone is under a curse. which is exactly what Paul said in Gal 3

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

You can not have anything to do wiht the law and NOT be under the curse. Becuse you can not keep its guidelines. No one ever has. but one, Christ.

 

[HARK!]

That law was given to lead us as a schoolmaster to Christ.

Not according to Paul. According to Paul, the law was given for the lawless.


(CLV) 1Ti 1:9
being aware of this, that law is not laid down for the just, yet it is for the lawless and insubordinate, the irreverent and sinners, the malign and profane, thrashers of fathers and thrashers of mothers, homicides,

(CLV) 1Ti 1:10
paramours, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and if any dother thing is opposing sound teaching,


Then the law became our escort to Messiah.


(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Notice that Paul phrases this in the present perfect tense.

I am talking about the law of love.

What did YHWH say about love?

From Decalogue
(CLV) Ex 20:6
yet showing benignity to thousands, to those loving Me and observing My instructions.

What did his son say?

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

What did his son's disciple say?

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

 

[HARK!]

Well since no one can do this,

So which of these 4 options would you choose?

According as I also am of Christ

 

[bbyrd009]

The law will never fail. The law condemns anyone who does not obey every word (every jott and tittle) Which means, You, Myself. and everyone else here is under the curse of the law.

i dont think this is true anymore, of our laws? Although "truth" is still not sought over facts or proof in court, we do have mechanisms for grace built in now, up to jury nullification even?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not according to Paul. According to Paul, the law was given for the lawless.


(CLV) 1Ti 1:9
being aware of this, that law is not laid down for the just, yet it is for the lawless and insubordinate, the irreverent and sinners, the malign and profane, thrashers of fathers and thrashers of mothers, homicides,

(CLV) 1Ti 1:10
paramours, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and if any dother thing is opposing sound teaching,


Then the law became our escort to Messiah.


(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Notice that Paul phrases this in the present perfect tense.

You forgot this
gal 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, f]">[f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

You want to remain under a tutor feel free. But know in doing so. You place yourself under a curse.

Why do you not become justified. so that the law in the present perfect tese can be fulfilled in your life?

What did YHWH say about love?

From Decalogue
(CLV) Ex 20:6
yet showing benignity to thousands, to those loving Me and observing My instructions.

What did his son say?

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

What did his son's disciple say?

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

Yep

But it does not mean you are perfect Your not Jesus. You do not love perfect. If you think you do you are in danger

 

[HARK!]

Yep

But it does not mean you are perfect Your not Jesus. You do not love perfect. If you think you do you are in danger

Are you suggesting that we can't take Yahshua at his word?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[HARK!]

You want to remain under a tutor feel free. But know in doing so. You place yourself under a curse.

You won't be under the tutor, when you can walk like Messiah. Are you there yet? Apparently Paul didn't believe that he was; because he phrased it in the present perfect tense. I'm getting there; but I don't have that walking on water thingy down yet.