What was the date of the Crucifixion 2?

[Keraz]

God's time periods are Sabbatical. 1000 is not Sabbatical.

The time period of a thousand, is used many times Biblically. It IS Sabbatical, as the seventh and final thousand year period will be the Sabbath rest for the earth.

If Israel's date was irrelevant, they would not have been mentioned in the historical books. The formula synchronising the kings is as shown over and over in scripture: “In the (x)th year of king (A) of Israel, king (B) of Judah began to reign, and he reigned (y) years.”

I await your list of the Kings of Israel, with the times of their reigns, as given in the Bible.
If they do not relate to the 260 years of Judah's Kings, then we have a Biblical anomaly.

I have read your book, a while ago now. I remember that it doesn't conform to the reality of the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind.

 

[The Light]

Scripture places the coming of Christ and our gathering to him on the same day and those happen only after the Apostasy and revealing of the man of sin which places the rapture AFTER the trib.

The gathering is from heaven and earth, as already proven.

Jacob had two brides. He married one and had to work 7 more years for the chosen bride.

Half of it deals with the rapture but you don't understand the other passages yet so a third one is not going to be discussed at this time.

LOL, YYYeah........

 

[The Light]

The church is not in heaven before the seals are opened, not the living church.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Even Jesus isn't in heaven before the seals are opened.

Uhhh, err, ahhhh, mmmm, hmmm, wh wh wh WHAT?

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Obviously not the raptured church. Why did you think that would pass as the church?

Uhhh, err, ahhhh, mmmm, hmmm, wh wh wh WHAT?

Isn't it fun to learn new things?

 

[The Light]

Obviously not the raptured church. Why did you think that would pass as the church?

I just wanted you to note that the 24 elders are in heaven had their reward crowns. That means Jesus has returned and brought His reward. As for the Church....

Revelation 1
4 John to the s even churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Here is the Church in heaven as kings and priests before the seals are opened.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Isn't it fun to learn new things?

Well, yeah. Except I did not learn anything as you have not produced any scriptural proof to support what you are saying.

 

[The Light]

The time period of a thousand, is used many times Biblically. It IS Sabbatical, as the seventh and final thousand year period will be the Sabbath rest for the earth.

Good Point!

 

[ewq1938]

Here is the Church in heaven as kings and priests before the seals are opened.

The church is not in heaven before the seals are opened. That isn't showing that in the slightest.

 

[The Light]

The church is not in heaven before the seals are opened. That isn't showing that in the slightest.

You need to be a little more observant.

 

[ewq1938]

You need to be a little more observant.

No, you need to be. You didn;t know that believers aren't going to be surprised by the day of Christ but claimed it will happen to both believer and unbeliever and didn't know Christ wasn't found in heaven before the seals were opened not to mention you believe in a pretrib rapture despite scriptural placing the rapture after the trib has ended.

You need to be a lot more observant.

 

[The Light]

You didn;t know that believers aren't going to be surprised by the day of Christ

Sure I did. Here's my quote....

The Day of Lord will not take the brethren by surprise. They will know EXACTLY when He is coming. He will come at the "last trump" THEN THE SEVENTH SEAL IS OPENED AND THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. It will be like the days of Lot, where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

However, the GOODMAN will not know when the bridegroom comes for the bride. He is told to watch and be ready. It will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Two separate comings.

but claimed it will happen to both believer and unbeliever

Your confusion stems from the fact that the Day of the Lord is a gathering from heaven and earth. You confuse the rapture of the Church with the gathering from heaven and earth.

and didn't know Christ wasn't found in heaven before the seals were opened

Yep. And I still don't know that as it is unscriptural. The lion of the tribe of Judah and the worthy Lamb say otherwise.

not to mention you believe in a pretrib rapture despite scriptural placing the rapture after the trib has ended.

You need to be a lot more observant.

Scripture places the Church in heaven before the seals are opened, as I have shown with scripture. And you confuse the gathering from heaven and earth which happens immediately after the tribulation of those days with the rapture of the Church. Not the same event as proven by scripture.

Believers will know exactly when the day of the Lord and the gathering from heaven and earth will occur. However, believers will not know when the bridegroom comes for the bride. We are told to watch and be ready for we do not know the day nor hour that the Lord doth come.

The time runs short, very, very short. The Church will be gone soon and then the tribulation will begin and end, followed by the wrath of God. You don't want to be here for the hour of testing. Best watch and be ready. The bridegroom comes soon.

 

[Keraz]

The pervious 9 posts here are very silly and way off topic.
Please take your foolish arguments elsewhere.

As for the date of the Crucifixion; actually the date when Jesus was acclaimed as King, when He was Crucified and when He was Resurrected; That Date is confirmed by CG, myself and many others as : 30 AD

 

[ewq1938]

Scripture places the Church in heaven before the seals are opened, as I have shown with scripture.

Neither claim is true. The church is on Earth until the 7th trump.

And you confuse the gathering from heaven and earth which happens immediately after the tribulation of those days with the rapture of the Church. Not the same event as proven by scripture.

It is the same exact event as proven by scripture.

The time runs short, very, very short. The Church will be gone soon and then the tribulation will begin and end, followed by the wrath of God.

The church is persecuted during the GT so it will not be gone. The scriptures describe this so you pretribbers invent a second church which isn't biblical.

 

[Timtofly]

No, you need to be. You didn;t know that believers aren't going to be surprised by the day of Christ but claimed it will happen to both believer and unbeliever and didn't know Christ wasn't found in heaven before the seals were opened not to mention you believe in a pretrib rapture despite scriptural placing the rapture after the trib has ended.

You need to be a lot more observant.

The tribulation of the church is not Jacob's trouble. It is the tribulation that has been ongoing since the Cross. There is no rapture and glorification for Israel. Israel at this point is the final harvest, the firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom. The church is not even going to be on the earth during the Millennium.

The tribulation of the church stops immediately at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, because the church is the first harvest to be removed from the earth, even before the Seals are opened, that is the 7th Seal.

The Seals deal with the church. Why is that not evident with people? The Trumpets are to deal with Israel after the Church is removed. Jesus is on earth to deal directly with Israel, just like the first century ministry as Messiah. Now Jesus has come to earth as their King.

Jesus did not have to stay on earth to deal directly with the church. The church was to act as ambassadors for Christ representing that heavenly city. Even all the OT redeemed were just pilgrims on earth. The earth was given to Jacob and Israel, not necessarily to Abraham and the church.

Only in the next reality after this creation, will the church come down as the New Jerusalem. There is not a single reason why the church remains on earth after the 6th Seal. There is not a single reason why Jesus as King is not on earth at the 6th Seal to deal directly with His kinfolk the house of Jacob, on the earth in Jerusalem. Matthew 25:31. Matthew 13:36-41. Jesus comes to earth when His angels come to earth. That is the Second Coming. The GT or final harvest is during the Trumpets and Thunders after the Church is taken away in the 6th Seal.

When all is accomplished, and the 7th Trumpet starts to sound, then and only then, will it be determined if Satan is allowed 42 months and the AoD is set up. Revelation is given in the correct order, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. The Nations started after the Flood with Shem, Ham, and Japheth. The Thunders covers the nations after Israel is dealt with. If any are left at the 7th Trumpet, it will only be those who will be beheaded to remain in the Lamb's book of life.

Yes, Jesus hands over the earthy Kingdom to Satan for 42 months. Jesus is not defeated. It is only for the purpose of those who will be beheaded. Only the 2 individual witnesses will be left on earth as a thorn in Satan's side.

 

[The Light]

The Seals deal with the church. Why is that not evident with people?

The reason it is not evident is because it's totally incorrect. The Church is in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God deals with Israel. The seals are the time of Jacobs trouble. It is about dealing with Israel and the seed of the woman, which is the twelve tribes across the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

The Church is in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened.

No, the church is on the Earth before and during the GT (after all seals and the trumps), and is only raptured to the clouds of the Earth and not heaven at the second coming, returning with Christ down to Armageddon.

 

[Timtofly]

The reason it is not evident is because it's totally incorrect. The Church is in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God deals with Israel. The seals are the time of Jacobs trouble. It is about dealing with Israel and the seed of the woman, which is the twelve tribes across the earth.

The Church is in heaven since the Cross. Your point?

The 5th and 6th Seal is the rapture and Second Coming, so most certainly the Seals are for the church. The Seals are already being opened, and you all have missed them. Since 2 billion people have not recently died, the 4th Seal is not yet opened. The 5th Seal is not about a tribulation. It is the church being glorified, the meeting in the air, that all on earth will see, when the completed church puts on the spirit, the robes of white. It will be like a new star born when billions of humans are restored into the full image of God. I doubt it will go unnoticed on earth.

A new sun, and:

"The stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

The Church is in heaven before the Lamb's book of life is opened with the 7th Seal being opened. The 144k of Israel are sealed before the Lamb's book of life is unsealed. They can never be part of the second death. They are given permanent incorruptible physical bodies as part of that Seal, as every one else named in the Lamb's book of life at that point.

The rest of Israel will be dealt with in the Trumpets as individuals. Some will remain in the Lamb's book of life as sheep. The rest will be removed from the Lamb's book of life as goats. Matthew 25:31-46.

 

[Timtofly]

No, the church is on the Earth before and during the GT (after all seals and the trumps), and is only raptured to the clouds of the Earth and not heaven at the second coming, returning with Christ down to Armageddon.

Why would the church leave Paradise after 1992+ years and be on earth during the final harvest?

 

[The Light]

The Church is in heaven since the Cross. Your point?

The point is there are 24 elders in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. They have reward crowns. That means Jesus has returned for the Church before the seals are opened as we see the kings and priests in heaven that are redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The 5th and 6th Seal is the rapture and Second Coming, so most certainly the Seals are for the church.

The seals are the time of Jacobs trouble. As already shown the Church is already in heaven before these events occur.

The Seals are already being opened, and you all have missed them.

Not even the slightest of chances this is true. The seals are the time God turns to His second bride, the Chosen Bride. Jacob had two brides. Yet he had to work 7 more years for the chosen bride.

Since 2 billion people have not recently died, the 4th Seal is not yet opened.

Since we have not seen the beast of the earth going forth conquering and to conquer and we have not seen him confirm the covenant for one week we know the 1st seal is not opened.

The 5th Seal is not about a tribulation.

The fifth seal is the great tribulation.. You aren't quite getting it. When those seals are opened, the world as you know it will completely change. Those 1st four seals are the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse.

The Church is in heaven before the Lamb's book of life is opened with the 7th Seal being opened.

The Church is already in heaven as we can see in Revelation 4 & 5 before the 1st seal is opened.

The 144k of Israel are sealed before the Lamb's book of life is unsealed. They can never be part of the second death. They are given permanent incorruptible physical bodies as part of that Seal, as every one else named in the Lamb's book of life at that point.

The rest of Israel will be dealt with in the Trumpets as individuals. Some will remain in the Lamb's book of life as sheep. The rest will be removed from the Lamb's book of life as goats. Matthew 25:31-46.

You aren't even in the ballpark.

 

[The Light]

No, the church is on the Earth before and during the GT (after all seals and the trumps), and is only raptured to the clouds of the Earth and not heaven at the second coming, returning with Christ down to Armageddon.

These are just words not supported by any scripture. We can see the 24 elders in heaven with reward crowns so we know Jesus has returned. We see the kings and priest in heaven in Revelation 5. What you claim does not agree with scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

These are just words not supported by any scripture.

The church is found all through Rev, being the target of satan's wrath.