What we are now suppose to be doing--Jesus repeated over and over...

[ScottA]

And if the hearing one gets contradict Scripture in any way shape or form- it is a revalation not from god. It is that simple. the Spirit would never contradict or alter Scripture. It is impossible for Him to do so!

That is absolutely correct.

But then if there is any issue, it shows a departure from scriptures--which works BOTH ways. The matter simply remains one of understanding, and the examples are many BOTH ways. Many have been right, and also wrong--BOTH ways. Meaning, it is all still under the care of the Spirit to reveal where and when He wills, where no man of his own knowledge is qualified to say one way or the other; and there is no actual contest, only the age-old spiritual war.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is absolutely correct.

But then if there is any issue, it shows a departure from scriptures--which works BOTH ways. The matter simply remains one of understanding, and the examples are many BOTH ways. Many have been right, and also wrong--BOTH ways. Meaning, it is all still under the care of the Spirit to reveal where and when He wills, where no man of his own knowledge is qualified to say one way or the other; and there is no actual contest, only the age-old spiritual war.

Well there is much truth to what you say.

but there is also a grave danger as well! for many have used "understanding" to bring in many pernicious and destructive heresies. God wrote teh Scriptures for thoise with the faith of a child can grow.

There are no hidden meanings. There are symbols and apocalyptic language but Scripture defines these as well so we do not have to rely on dreams and "new revelations" or "higher spiritual meanings". These are dangerous red flag words and all should approach those using them armed with Scripture. It is through these types of "understandings" that teh cults have been born and prosper preying on the vulnerable .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is absolutely correct.

But then if there is any issue, it shows a departure from scriptures--which works BOTH ways. The matter simply remains one of understanding, and the examples are many BOTH ways. Many have been right, and also wrong--BOTH ways. Meaning, it is all still under the care of the Spirit to reveal where and when He wills, where no man of his own knowledge is qualified to say one way or the other; and there is no actual contest, only the age-old spiritual war.

BTW: I am still sincerely interested in what you would answer a person if they asked you " What must I do tyo be saved"?

 

[ScottA]

Well there is much truth to what you say.

but there is also a grave danger as well! for many have used "understanding" to bring in many pernicious and destructive heresies. God wrote teh Scriptures for thoise with the faith of a child can grow.

There are no hidden meanings. There are symbols and apocalyptic language but Scripture defines these as well so we do not have to rely on dreams and "new revelations" or "higher spiritual meanings". These are dangerous red flag words and all should approach those using them armed with Scripture. It is through these types of "understandings" that teh cults have been born and prosper preying on the vulnerable .

What you describe was no issue for Daniel, why is it an issue for you?

The point is--No--your idea of no "higher spiritual meaning" is against a lot of what is in the scriptures. Meaning, you have made yourself a rule. Well, good luck with that--but it's not going to work with God, or His word, or His ongoing plans.

On the contrary, the Word of God is alive and full of meaning no one person (except Christ) could even name...and He reveals it "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" until "all truth" is known.

 

[ScottA]

BTW: I am still sincerely interested in what you would answer a person if they asked you " What must I do tyo be saved"?

Believe in God, and His salvation--love God, and your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Believe in God, and His salvation--love God, and your neighbor as yourself.

I am deeply concerned about your salvation. You have answered wrong on the primary step to becoming a child of God!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What you describe was no issue for Daniel, why is it an issue for you?

The point is--No--your idea of no "higher spiritual meaning" is against a lot of what is in the scriptures. Meaning, you have made yourself a rule. Well, good luck with that--but it's not going to work with God, or His word, or His ongoing plans.

On the contrary, the Word of God is alive and full of meaning no one person (except Christ) could even name...and He reveals it "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" until "all truth" is known.

So you have appointed yourself the revealer of these "higher spiritual meanings". that is what all cult leaders have said and done in the past.

The lines and precepts are the lines and precepts of the written word- not some secrets God reveals to the "adept intiates"

Once again any application, vision, revelation or "higher spiritual meaning" that contradicts, reinterprets, or alters a passage of Scripture is not from God!

 

[ScottA]

So you have appointed yourself the revealer of these "higher spiritual meanings".

That is a lie.

 

[ScottA]

The lines and precepts are the lines and precepts of the written word- not some secrets God reveals to the "adept intiates"

Once again any application, vision, revelation or "higher spiritual meaning" that contradicts, reinterprets, or alters a passage of Scripture is not from God!

“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit!"

You speak against God and the Word of God which is spirit, and His servants the prophets--and "every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven [who] is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”

You are a troubled man.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is a lie.

Well you claim to have gone to the third heaven and seen and heard things we do not know!

You are the one who talk about higher spiritual meanings.

You are the one who has claimed the church has been deceived since the apostles but do not cite these errors. So like it or not you have appointed yourself one who reveals these "higher spiritual meanings" to us who you called carnal for relying on teh written word as the ultimate source.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit!"

You speak against God and the Word of God which is spirit, and His servants the prophets--and "every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven [who] is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”

You are a troubled man.

So now you call yourself a prophet! Wow! No I speak against you and your slandering the written word of God which is our guide, and source of all things God demands of us.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Peter saw the glorified Jesus and moses and Elijah. He heard the voice of god the father from heaven and He declares the written word of God a more sure word.

It is you who slander the written word which points directly to the living word.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Scripture is the written word of god- not some secret "higher spiritual meaning". Once again if any vision, voice, dream, or "higher spiritual meaning" alters, reinterprets, contradicts or change teh written word in any way- it is not from god!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Believe in God, and His salvation--love God, and your neighbor as yourself.

Hopw a person gets saved, is so plainly written in Scripture that only those who are benighted miss it.

 

[ScottA]

Well you claim to have gone to the third heaven and seen and heard things we do not know!

You are the one who talk about higher spiritual meanings.

You are the one who has claimed the church has been deceived since the apostles but do not cite these errors. So like it or not you have appointed yourself one who reveals these "higher spiritual meanings" to us who you called carnal for relying on teh written word as the ultimate source.

After all this time...you still get it wrong.

I have cited the errors of the church--and if you take that out of your above post--you should be looking at me and what I have said completely different (even as you might do with Paul). Which means we have not yet got past your errors, and that is why.