When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Bobby Jo]

I did Daniel 7:13-14 shows when Jesus received His authority.
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We're gonna have to put you on IGNORE. And don't feel rejected, because I've had one "pastor" who was a LIAR; another "pastor" who was a LIAR and SLANDERER; another "pastor" who allowed a church leader who statutorily raped a 15 year old girl (her mother was dying of cancer) to REMAIN IN CHURCH LEADERSHIP; and yet ANOTHER "pastor" who "disfellowshipped" a Teacher who CORRECTLY taught from Scripture. [This doesn't include a different church "pastor" who was hauled off for child porn, -- and our community is only 25k.] So if this is the STATUS of today's Churches, who should expect anything different from the membership?


Said the Old Knight: "He choose poorly."
Bobby Jo

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[Aunty Jane]

I did Daniel 7:13-14 shows when Jesus received His authority.

When did Jesus say that He received His authority?

Matthew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

After His death and resurrection thus the timing is the one and the same. Its not my words but Jesus words so your dispute is not with me you are disagreeing with Jesus

I have a problem with your timing as well....Daniel and Revelation are prophesies about the same time period....”the time of the end”. Daniel was written some 500 years before Christ gave his life and the Revelation was written well after his death, towards the end of the first century....both were yet future.

Revelation 12:7-12 shows that Jesus’ first act on becoming King was to evict Satan and his hordes from heaven....
“And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers and sisters has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. For this reason, rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.” (NASB)

So, not until satan and his angels were evicted from heaven was there to be “woe for the earth” and “rejoicing in heaven” in being rid of them.....but this is when Christ received the power to exercise his authority. It did not happen when he was put to death and resurrected.
What took place in the temple (which Jesus had foretold would be destroyed; “not a stone left upon a stone”) with the curtain being rent in two between the “Holy” compartment and the “Most Holy”, was indicating that the way to heaven was opened for Jesus to enter and that his elect would follow in due time, but not until his return as Paul clearly stated.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-16....
“For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.” (NASB)

I do not believe that you have the timing correct at all. We are living in “the last days” right now (2 Timothy 3:1-5) when satan is expressing his anger, manipulating the masses in a godless and uncaring spirit, and making this world a horrible place to live....because he knows his time is short.....

 

[Marty fox]

We're gonna have to put you on IGNORE. And don't feel rejected, because I've had one "pastor" who was a LIAR; another "pastor" who was a LIAR and SLANDERER; another "pastor" who allowed a church leader who statutorily raped a 15 year old girl (her mother was dying of cancer) to REMAIN IN CHURCH LEADERSHIP; and yet ANOTHER "pastor" who "disfellowshipped" a Teacher who CORRECTLY taught from Scripture. [This doesn't include a different church "pastor" who was hauled off for child porn, -- and our community is only 25k.] So if this is the STATUS of today's Churches, who should expect anything different from the membership?


Said the Old Knight: "He choose poorly."
Bobby Jo

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So I'm quoting Jesus from the bible and you put me in a group of evil pastors? Is that Christianity?

You won't even answer the question

 

[Bobby Jo]

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I do not believe that you have the timing correct at all. We are living in “the last days” right now (2 Timothy 3:1-5) when satan is expressing his anger, manipulating the masses in a godless and uncaring spirit, and making this world a horrible place to live....because he knows his time is short.....

EXACTLY the point of Dan. 12:4 & 9, where these Prophetic Passages apply to the era where men travel some 60 to 600 mph; and where we have instant knowledge LITERALLY at our finger tips, such that we can change our own Fuel Injectors by simply watching a Youtube Video:

Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM (the little "Boston" who does the THINKING, while I do the TYPING!)

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[Aunty Jane]

2 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

I love this scripture but you need to quote the whole of what Paul said....
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God. As God hath said: “I will dwell in them and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” Therefore, “Come out from among them, and be ye separate,” saith the Lord. “And touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters,” saith the Lord Almighty.”
(2 Corinthians 6:14-18 KJ21)
In order for God to accept us as his “sons and daughters” we have to completely divorce ourselves from what He considers to be spiritually “unclean”. That means no adoptions from paganism disguised as “Christianity”.....I do not believe that most who identify as “Christians” today have any idea how far from the teachings of Jesus Christ they really are.

 

[Aunty Jane]

EXACTLY the point of Dan. 12:4 & 9, where these Prophetic Passages apply to the era where men travel some 60 to 600 mph; and where we have instant knowledge LITERALLY at our finger tips, such that we can change our own Fuel Injectors by simply watching a Youtube Video:

Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM (the little "Boston" who does the THINKING, while I do the TYPING!)

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It is quite clear to those who actually know scripture. We are in the death throes of this current world system that is disintegrating before our very eyes. Look at what has happened just in the last two years!!! How could the world change so drastically in such a short space of time? The powers that be are puppets in the hand of him who rules it all. (1 John 5:19)


Elam is very cute......I have a little French Bulldog named Poppy who thinks while I type. But it’s mostly about food.

 

[Marty fox]

EXACTLY the point of Dan. 12:4 & 9, where these Prophetic Passages apply to the era where men travel some 60 to 600 mph; and where we have instant knowledge LITERALLY at our finger tips, such that we can change our own Fuel Injectors by simply watching a Youtube Video:

Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM (the little "Boston" who does the THINKING, while I do the TYPING!)

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Why are you ignoring what Jesus actually said Himself?

 

[Marty fox]

I have a problem with your timing as well....Daniel and Revelation are prophesies about the same time period....”the time of the end”. Daniel was written some 500 years before Christ gave his life and the Revelation was written well after his death, towards the end of the first century....both were yet future.

Revelation 12:7-12 shows that Jesus’ first act on becoming King was to evict Satan and his hordes from heaven....
“And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers and sisters has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. For this reason, rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.” (NASB)

So, not until satan and his angels were evicted from heaven was there to be “woe for the earth” and “rejoicing in heaven” in being rid of them.....but this is when Christ received the power to exercise his authority. It did not happen when he was put to death and resurrected.
What took place in the temple (which Jesus had foretold would be destroyed; “not a stone left upon a stone”) with the curtain being rent in two between the “Holy” compartment and the “Most Holy”, was indicating that the way to heaven was opened for Jesus to enter and that his elect would follow in due time, but not until his return as Paul clearly stated.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-16....
“For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.” (NASB)

I do not believe that you have the timing correct at all. We are living in “the last days” right now (2 Timothy 3:1-5) when satan is expressing his anger, manipulating the masses in a godless and uncaring spirit, and making this world a horrible place to live....because he knows his time is short.....

This is my reply to Bobby Jo

Okay so before accusing me please this time answer the question I asked

Matthew 28:1
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

When did Jesus say that He had this authority in the future or back at the time He said those words?

If you believe at the time Jesus said those words back in the first century then when did these events below happen?

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Revelation 12:10
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.

These event have to be at the same time and Jesus said when He received His authority so how can you accuse me of being dishonest when I'm using scripture from Jesus mouth? Could it be that you are mistaken as I would never call you dishonest?

Jesus did ascend back up to the Fathers right hand side in Acts chapter 1.

 

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DANIEL 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
DANIEL 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.

1. "Two Witnesses"
2. Lord Jesus
The Lord Jesus is Given Power and Dominion, (not the two witnesses), in the description.

Jesus is called the "Lord of the Air" or the "Prince of the Power of the Air", (john the baptist compared jesus to a "dove")................this means that jesus was not doing another crucifixion parade at the end of time, or anything.................

"600,000 moses in exodus.........."A DAY FOR 1000 YEARS".............60 years from 9/11/2001 to 7/8/2061 HALLEY'S COMET (2Peter3:8) - Humanity is Euthanized, and the Judgement Completed.
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(COV2 the virus associated with COVID19/CORONAVIRUS, has been developing in stages for years, COVID19 from COV2 is a significant evolutionary jump ("jumping jesus phenemenon" - every few cycles of humaniy activity or years, gauged in sin or human activity of various sorts, activity from the judgment takes notoriety)...........if this happens again we should see rabies, before humanity is euthanized.

 

[Waiting on him]

It is quite clear to those who actually know scripture. We are in the death throes of this current world system that is disintegrating before our very eyes. Look at what has happened just in the last two years!!! How could the world change so drastically in such a short space of time? The powers that be are puppets in the hand of him who rules it all. (1 John 5:19)


Elam is very cute......I have a little French Bulldog named Poppy who thinks while I type. But it’s mostly about food.

I’m certain those during the Holocaust believed the same.

 

[Waiting on him]

It was also pretty rotten in the late sixties and earlier seventies. Plenty of doomsday prophets of those days also.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I’m certain those during the Holocaust believed the same.

Those who were Jewish victims of the holocaust were left wondering why their God had abandoned them?
Hitler did not give them options, but out of his personal hatred, wanted to exterminate them like vermin.
Scripture explains the reason why God never came to their rescue.....they could not remain faithful to their God. Time after time they broke their covenant by disobeying God's laws, and God sent his prophets to correct them only to have them silenced and God's pleas ignored. He then had to punish them and they would repent and come back to him, but it was never for very long.

Jesus' words at Matthew 23:37-39 explain....
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones to death those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38 Look! Your house is left abandoned! 39 I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘How blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’” (ISV)

So for the last 2,000 years the Jews have never acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah.....and according to Jesus' words above, unless they 'bless the one who came in the name of Yahweh' (the Lord) they will never see him again. Jesus was quoting Psalm 118:26 where the name of God (Yahweh) appears in the original Hebrew text.

 

[Aunty Jane]

This is my reply to Bobby Jo

Okay so before accusing me please this time answer the question I asked

Matthew 28:1
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

When did Jesus say that He had this authority in the future or back at the time He said those words?

If you believe at the time Jesus said those words back in the first century then when did these events below happen?

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Revelation 12:10
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.

These event have to be at the same time and Jesus said when He received His authority so how can you accuse me of being dishonest when I'm using scripture from Jesus mouth? Could it be that you are mistaken as I would never call you dishonest?

Jesus did ascend back up to the Fathers right hand side in Acts chapter 1.

I have answered this already in post #22. Read it again....its about when Jesus was given permission to exercise the authority he had been granted....He was to sit at his Father's right hand until his enemies were placed as a stool for his feet (Psalm 110:1-2)....then he was to begin reigning as King whilst his enemies were opposing his disciples. He promised to be "with them" right until the end, directing a global witness by which all those living would be judged. (Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 24:14)

 

[Bobby Jo]

Those who were Jewish victims of the holocaust were left wondering why their God had abandoned them? ...

Dearest AJ,

It seems to me that ONE of the contributors was ACTION. The 1917 Balfour White Paper GAVE "Palestine" to the European Jews (-- and also world-wide -- ). But they were content in their communities, with their neighbors, their homes, and with their businesses, -- and couldn't/wouldn't see GOD's hand in making a way of escape. So although some 60,00 moved to the "wasteland" Palestine, some purported 6M (the actual number may be in doubt) SHOULD have immigrated.

So now it should be more apparent that GOD didn't abandon the Jews, but instead the Jews abandoned GOD -- and apparently suffered the consequence.


And so too, where Jesus instructs his followers to NOW prepare their lives by having a PURSE, a BAG, and a SWORD, -- many christians errantly follow the previous precedent and will undoubtedly suffer the SAME CONSEQUENCE as the disobedient Jews.

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
​

We all choose, some wisely, some poorly ...

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM

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[Aunty Jane]

It seems to me that ONE of the contributors was ACTION. The 1917 Balfour White Paper GAVE "Palestine" to the European Jews (-- and also world-wide -- ). But they were content in their communities, with their neighbors, their homes, and with their businesses, -- and couldn't/wouldn't see GOD's hand in making a way of escape. So although some 60,00 moved to the "wasteland" Palestine, some purported 6M (the actual number may be in doubt) SHOULD have immigrated.

I see the Jews as a nation, still 'abandoned' by God for the reason that they abandoned him many times....but he kept his end of the covenant by repeatedly forgiving them until his purpose in connection with them was fulfilled....he produced their Messiah and gave Israel first opportunity to become his disciples.....
Jesus was not sent to the Pharisees but to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" because he knew that the Jewish leadership were the figurative 'leopards' whose 'spots' would never change. The "lost" ones were those whom their shepherds neglected as unworthy of their time, but Jesus showed that these ones were also precious to his Father. Only after the Jews had orchestrated the murder of their Messiah did he cast them off.....so I have no doubt that the Jews as a nation, no longer figure in God's plans.
They will never bless "the one who came in the name of Yahweh". Individuals might come to Christ, but the nation of Israel who occupy the land of Israel, have lost their place.

Paul mentions "the Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16...these are not only fleshly Jews, but also Gentile believers who accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ and were drawn to him. (John 6:65) No one can come to the Father except through Jesus.

So now it should be more apparent that GOD didn't abandon the Jews, but instead the Jews abandoned GOD -- and apparently suffered the consequence.

Yes exactly....they had no one but themselves to blame. They willingly entered into a covenant (a legally binding contract) with their God and failed to live up to it. He never failed to live up to his part and Jesus arrived right on time.

And so too, where Jesus instructs his followers to NOW prepare their lives by having a PURSE, a BAG, and a SWORD, -- many christians errantly follow the previous precedent and will undoubtedly suffer the SAME CONSEQUENCE as the disobedient Jews.

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.

I have a bit of a different take on that.
In the first century, Jews were known for their hospitality to fellow Jews who were travellers and offered them a place to stay and food on their way to their destination...it also included having their feet washed. It had been this way since the days of Abraham when the three angels visited him. (Genesis 18) He prepared a feast for them after telling them he would provide bread and a foot wash. He sent the two angels on to Sodom and Lot likewise provided a place to stay and food for them. So this is why Jesus told his disciples to take no provisions at first....Jewish hospitality would see them supplied with their necessities....but after some time the Pharisees had stirred up quite a lot of animosity towards Jesus' disciples, who were at that time, all Jewish. Then it was necessary to take provisions because the people would turn them away with no customary hospitality and no washing of their feet. (Matthew 10:11-14)

As far as the swords were concerned, the disciples had just two among the twelve.....hardly well armed for what was to come.
When religion is mixed with politics, (as it always has been) violence can easily erupt. Jesus taught his disciples that they must maintain neutrality in these circumstances. That is related to the reason why the chief priests and the Pharisees planned to kill Jesus. They saw him as a political and religious rival who threatened their position.They said among themselves...“If we let him go on this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation,”. (John 11:48) This is why High Priest Caiaphas took the lead in plotting Jesus’ death. (John 11:49-53; John 18:14)

On the night of Jesus' arrest Peter drew his sword to protect his Lord, but was rebuked by Jesus and the wound inflicted on the slave of the High Priest was healed.
Matthew 26:
"Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?” 55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowds: “Did you come out to arrest me with swords and clubs as against a robber? Day after day I used to sit in the temple teaching, and yet you did not take me into custody. 56 But all of this has taken place for the writings of the prophets to be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples abandoned him and fled."

I see this more as a fulfillment of prophesy than permission for a Christian to be armed with weapons. (Matthew 5:43-44)
I don't see any recommendation from Jesus to oppose governments or even to fight our enemies.

We all choose, some wisely, some poorly ...

That is a sad fact I'm afraid.

 

[Waiting on him]

Scripture explains the reason why God never came to their rescue.....they could not remain faithful to their God.

why would you assume that no jew can be redeemed? I’m certain many of the Jews of that time were christian Jews. I would also add that many Jews of the first century were converted.

Does your religion teach differently?

 

[Waiting on him]

I have answered this already in post #22. Read it again....its about when Jesus was given permission to exercise the authority he had been granted....He was to sit at his Father's right hand until his enemies were placed as a stool for his feet (Psalm 110:1-2)....then he was to begin reigning as King whilst his enemies were opposing his disciples. He promised to be "with them" right until the end, directing a global witness by which all those living would be judged. (Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 24:14)

Was there ever a time when you were alienated from God,,,, even as much to be called in opposition to Him? I believe many Christians quickly forget where they once stood.

 

[Brakelite]

I have a problem with your timing as well....Daniel and Revelation are prophesies about the same time period....”the time of the end”. Daniel was written some 500 years before Christ gave his life and the Revelation was written well after his death, towards the end of the first century....both were yet future.

Future to Daniel, yes, and the Revelation future to John, yes, and both Daniel and Revelation spoke of the same events at times, but that does not mean everything they wrote about is future to us. Daniel describes 4 world empires, 2 of which he lived under, Babylon and Persia. They were followed by Greece and Rome, and he describes 11 horns, powers, rulers or kingdoms, that grew from the Roman empire which ceased to exist after 476ad in the area under discussion. The 11th horn, described in great detail by both Daniel and John, exists today, having begun to grow and evolve during the reign of the 10 horns, and in the process of destroying 3 of them, gained full power over the other 7, which in time became the foundation kingdoms of modern Europe. That little horn power that reigned over Europe was the Papacy.

 

[Aunty Jane]

why would you assume that no jew can be redeemed? I’m certain many of the Jews of that time were christian Jews. I would also add that many Jews of the first century were converted.

Does your religion teach differently?

It would really help if you read what I write.....

"Jesus was not sent to the Pharisees but to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" because he knew that the Jewish leadership were the figurative 'leopards' whose 'spots' would never change. The "lost" ones were those whom their shepherds neglected as unworthy of their time, but Jesus showed that these ones were also precious to his Father."

It was Jews who first responded to Jesus because he was sent to no one else. In deference to his covenant with Abraham, he gave the Jews first option to claim a seat in God's Kingdom as "kings and priests" (Revelation 20:6) All of the first Christians were Jewish. Even some of the priests were won over to Christianity.

Revelation 5:9-10...
"And they sing a new song, “Worthy you are to take the book and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and bought men for God with your blood out of every tribe and language and people and race, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”

Every race includes the Jews as individuals....but as a nation they no longer figure in God's plans for the future.
Matthew 21:42-45....
"Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone. This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. 44 Also, the person falling on this stone will be shattered. As for anyone on whom it falls, it will crush him.

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his illustrations, they knew that he was speaking about them."

No one who comes to Christ with genuine love for him and his Father will be rejected. (Acts 10:34-35)

Was there ever a time when you were alienated from God,,,, even as much to be called in opposition to Him? I believe many Christians quickly forget where they once stood.

As you may be aware, no one can come into a relationship with God unless they are repentant of their sins and accept Christ as their savior.....this is what is missing for the Jewish nation. They have never repented of the gross sins of their fathers and have not, to this day, acknowledged what was done to him. He was not guilty of the blasphemy that they accused him of and the Jews of today still believe that he was a false Messiah, deserving of what they did to him. Who alienated them from God? They did.

 

[post]

It was Jews who first responded to Jesus because he was sent to no one else

you need an explanation for why the two recorded times He openly revealed & declared Himself as the Messiah were to the gentile woman at the well and to the gentile ruler Pilate.

you need to ask why those two instances/witnesses are recorded.

you need to get Genesis 3 right. it screws up all your theology when you have it wrong. it's the beginning, for a reason.