I have been praying, and was lead to pray again today. I have also asked my church to pray for you and your niece. Keep me informed. We also prayed for your faith to know it was God when you are healed.
When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?
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I don't agree. While we may not literally murder someone - we are still liable for murder when we are angry with a brother-
calling someone a fool puts you in danger of hellfire and so on.
Not forgiving someone is a very serious sin. Look at what the Lord said about it.
We do know it if we doing those things and the Spirit reminds us to stop,
There are countless examples.
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You bring up 1 John 1:7 and I recall about a year ago you telling me that only applied to when a person is first saved. Are you saying something else now?
We have to remember that 1 John 1:7 is immediately followed by other verses.
John is speaking to believers. sins can be forgiven-
1 John 1:8 -2:1-2
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
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While it is true for me also. that my desire to sin what you call big sins) is gone- I can not marginalize the words of Christ to say it isn't such a "big sin" to call my brother a fool or an idiot etc. --------I see it on here often. Look what Jesus said about it. How can you say it's not a big sin?
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt 5:22
We all stumble in many things, agree? We just need to be cautious about "big sins" and sin that leads to death.
The sin that leads to death is a hard one but it could be either unbelief,- apostasy (willful sinning?)-, a sin against the Spirit whichwe do know leads to sudden death in Acts.
The sin not leading to death is NOT the 10.
All unrighteousness is sin. Yet it isn't the sin that leads to death.
1 John 5
16If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
When we walk in the Spirit - I agree with you that we don't sin then.
However, if we were young I imagine it would be a lot more difficult being tempted by those young all around us constantly- and having inflamed desires, lacking maturity, parties, being alone on Saturday night etc..
This is why Paul tells them to marry- to avoid fornication.--- a big sin. Fornication isn't one of the 10 either. So it's a mistake to say if you are born again you can not sin a big sin. That's all my point is.
I'm not debating whether or not you or anyone else has reached perfection. That isn't mine to judge. I'm just asking you to reevaluate a few things you've stated.
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Unfortunately, that's not helpful. If no longer having any sinful or selfish desires, complete self-abnegation, and being completely motivated for the good of our neighbors is the metric, I would have to conclude that neither I nor any Christian I know is "born from above". And there is no way anyone can make themselves "born from above".
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All this nonsense about redefining sins into willful vs. unintentional, mortal sins vs. venial sins, worst types of sin vs. ceremonial trespasses, sins unto death vs. “immature fruit of the Spirit” is self-serving.
The Bible never talks about immature fruit of the Spirit or how they are lesser sins.
This old Pentecostal fantasy of a second work of grace that completely removes all desire to commit sins is just a holier than thou attitude based on pride. Which is a sin.
The Bible never talks about immature fruit of the Spirit or how they are lesser sins.
This old Pentecostal fantasy of a second work of grace that completely removes all desire to commit sins is just a holier than thou attitude based on pride. Which is a sin.
Don't you think there is a difference in character between being angry with a brother from righteous indignation, than, say, jealousy? I do. The first is not a sin at all, where the second is very immature indeed. Jesus builds our character where we can be truly happy for your brother and his windfall. I've spoken about forgiveness, so I think we see eye to eye on the seriousness of holding a grudge, and letting a root of bitterness take hold. That is one of the check-offs on my personal checklist I go through before bed. That and checking my conscience.
Right now I'm going through the pain of deliberate shunning, and I haven't a clue what the problem is. Nothing has happened that I can remember, but she is not taking my phone calls anymore, where just up until a year ago for over 40 years we could stay of the phone for 90 minutes and laugh till my sides ached. The Lord helped me grow in this area when I was a teenager. I happened to come across some pictures of my boyfriend that a high school girlfriend had stolen from me because of her own "secret" crush. I wouldn't speak to her for 4 months, and would hang up on her if she called. Then God took me in hand and reminded me of how she had been raised and the state removed all six children from the unfit parents. Stealing was natural for her to survive. I then called her and forgave her. So now, I look for the hidden reasons behind the bad behavior. As for my current friend shunning me, I can see another difference in how we were each raised. I was an only child, and my love for my friends were deep and life-long. She on the other hand was never the one to call me when we talked. I was. She was raised on a farm and had lots of barnyard chores. I didn't. And so on. So, hard as it is, I have to just love her and let her go. I'll miss her. At my age, going on 79, friends and relatives are dying and try as I might to keep the friends I have left, it isn't working out as I would have liked. This is just natural for her, but not for me. Forgiveness is easier for me since God showed me that friend's childhood when I was a teenager. I now always look for an excuse for their behavior and realize not everyone's feelings are deep or loyal. Some were just developed to be shallow, and not take it too personally.
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"I don't know how I ended up in bed with that woman; it just happened."
In my experience, all sin is willful and premeditated.
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Still?????
I think he was just giving an example how the heart falsely can reason
Sins are sins. But God treats wilful sins differently from inadvertent sins. Wilful sins are those things which are within the person's power to not commit, such as committing murder or embezzling, lying in a job interview, etc. whereas inadvertent sins have more to do with personal shortcomings...things that the person doesn't have the ability to change within themselves. Things such as impatience, for example, or a tendency to have a short fuse. Just all kinds of ways we fall short and fail the Lord in spite of our best efforts. The bible says there is no more sacrifice for someone who keeps on wilfully sinning.......that is why scripture lists examples of sins for which those who commit them will not inherit eternal life. Whereas the Lord is longsuffering with our shortcomings and immaturity of character while we are growing and trying and wanting to do better by His grace. That is what I hear this sister saying and I agree with her. on that As she has shown, that truth is even depicted in the old testament. I just am not sure about the not knowing part.....I often seem to know when and how I fall short, the Lord touching my conscience, except that I also am sure there must be other things that I'm not conscious of.
I believe scripture does point to a second work of grace. (Is anything too hard for the Lord?) But you won't see it until the Lord starts to show it to you as you start to realize that you need it. Paul referred to some as "you who are spiritual". The first work of grace was the earnest or down payment on the second. And the bridal imagery is a picture of this truth......the first work of grace was the betrothal, the second is the wedding. Christ is being formed in us.....that which was conceived in us is of the Holy Spirit, like Mary is a figure/allegory for this.....and we also are to give birth to Him as it were, so that He is fully manifesting in our life/heart and we are walking in the full stature of Christ. As the children of Israel were an example of the church.......we see how they had to cross two bodies of water to attain to the Promised Land of rest...first the Red Sea and then the Jordan River at flood stage..... they underwent two baptisms, as it were, and had to be "circumcised a second time".....their lives fully consecrated to Him to truly become a living sacrifice. The flow of the Jordan River was cut off all the way back to a town called "Adam"....depicting the Adamic nature cut off.....and my oh my, don't we want that?? Those Israelites who died in the wilderness those 40 years are a picture of us dying to our old man/Adamic nature. It was only those who were "born" of them who could enter the land of rest....a picture of giving birth to spirit....giving birth to Christ in us. It's all over the scriptures once we have eyes to see it. It is also pictured in the law concerning slaves......the Israelites who were indentured servants had to be freed after seven years........and then those who loved their masters and wanted to remain with him could covenant to become a bondslave by having their ear pierced in the doorway to become a bondslave for life.....this is what Paul called himself.
Just want to add that James refers to an early and latter rain, having long patience in waiting for and seeking the latter rain, which is also depicted in the old testament.
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I've heard some pastors on the radio ("To Every Man An Answer"/Calvary Chapel pastors) say they don't believe in unintentional trespasses, that all sin is willful. But I include those verses that challenge those beliefs in my personal doctrines. Also, I've never heard them ever talk about "sins not unto death."
Talking about sin nonstop gets boring. It doesn’t change anything.
At the end of the day, people are responsible for themselves. Scripture says it plainly: “Each of us will give an account of himself to God.” (Romans 14:12)
If you run around banging people over the head with a bell about sin, what good does it do? Nagging doesn’t transform anyone. Truth does. Choice does. Accountability does.
Parents are supposed to teach their children — that’s biblical too: “Train up a child in the way he should go…” (Proverbs 22:6)
But once someone grows up, moves out, and starts making their own decisions, the responsibility shifts. If they do something they know is wrong and end up in jail, that’s on them.
They can blame God. They can blame the world. Or they can do what Scripture actually calls for: take responsibility. “Whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” (Galatians 6:7)
Whether they look to God or not is beyond you and beyond me. No one knows another person’s heart — “Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7)
And the biggest point of all: Jesus already dealt with the sin of the world so people could have access to Yahavah. “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29)
Sin isn’t the center anymore — Christ is. People either walk toward Him or they don’t. But the responsibility is theirs.
At the end of the day, people are responsible for themselves. Scripture says it plainly: “Each of us will give an account of himself to God.” (Romans 14:12)
If you run around banging people over the head with a bell about sin, what good does it do? Nagging doesn’t transform anyone. Truth does. Choice does. Accountability does.
Parents are supposed to teach their children — that’s biblical too: “Train up a child in the way he should go…” (Proverbs 22:6)
But once someone grows up, moves out, and starts making their own decisions, the responsibility shifts. If they do something they know is wrong and end up in jail, that’s on them.
They can blame God. They can blame the world. Or they can do what Scripture actually calls for: take responsibility. “Whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” (Galatians 6:7)
Whether they look to God or not is beyond you and beyond me. No one knows another person’s heart — “Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7)
And the biggest point of all: Jesus already dealt with the sin of the world so people could have access to Yahavah. “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29)
Sin isn’t the center anymore — Christ is. People either walk toward Him or they don’t. But the responsibility is theirs.
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John says not to pray for someone committing that particular sin (1 John 5:16-17, but he doesn't define it, so I see no reason to dwell on it.
and how can that be applicable to us today since Paul has the Christ given role to teach you & I salvation & not John ?
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Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
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The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Oh, I think we can learn something from all the Bible, and frankly, this obsession with personal salvation is kinda self-centered, don't you think?
We call learn LOTS from all the Bible.
eg Was Adam & Eve sealed with the HS when they believed the Gospel as taught by Paul ?
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Well, we can go by 'all scripture' and one thing we know, it is not talking about a nonChristian as some teach, for we can always pray for them to come to Jesus in the first place. But for John to tell us NOT to pray for someone who commits it, it is serious enough to find out what it is and not do it! So dwell on it! LOL
That narrows it down to a born again Christian or Old Testament Jew who 1 John 3:9 should either not be able to commit "lawless" sin as 1 John 3 is only about lawlessness, or a Jew who knows the laws in their mind since they've been taught about them since birth.
So let's see the other scriptures that include both; a willful sin (which is lawlessness) and a person who at least is suppose to know better in their own spirit/mind.
This first one is easy to remember: (2-2) 2 Peter 2: (I'm using biblegateway which includes headings)
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Deceptions of False Teachers
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 : 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Numbers 15:22-36 (22-29 describes the type of sin that IS COVERED by a sacrifice, unintentional) (but 30-36 is the type of sin that IS NOT COVERED by a sacrifice, willful and against the Law; they stoned them to death)
What do these tell you?
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And I think you are completely missing the meaning of 1 John 3:9.
John states his purpose in writing his letter in chapter 2 verse 1: 2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. I once counted how many times John says "don't sin, don't walk in darkness, don't love the world, purify yourself, stay away from idols, practice righteousness" in various different ways; it's well over 20. The whole letter is about not sinning.
Then you hit chapter 3. 3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! ... 2 Beloved, now we are children of God...9 Whoever has been born of God does not practice sin.
That last sentence is a blatant contradiction of what John wrote back in chapter 1 (not to mention 2000 years of Christian experience). 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ... 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. The contradiction is obvious, and some translations use the present active tense of the Greek verb poieo ("to do", or in the NASB translation quoted, "to practice") in 1 John 3:9 to mean "continually practice sin" in order to get around it.
I instead take the position that this is type of speech is polemic. In service of the stated purpose of the letter, that his readers strive to not sin, John is appealing to their identity as Children of God, and Children of God do not sin. 1 John 3:9 should not be taken as an ontological statement of fact in the present time, though he promises in verse 2 that when Jesus returns, it will be. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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I've discussed this with her over the course of years. I've studied through her claims. It's a mixture of old and new covenants, and is in fact pride-based works salvation. It's false. Her interpretations of Scripture are false, and her claims for herself are false, as she's shown me over the years.
If you want to know more of my reasons, let me know.
Much love!
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