When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Marty fox]

Your errors are many.

• Jesus died. That compares to what you are seeing of the saints and saying they do not rule the world. But His death was not a failure resulting in not ruling the world-- but rather, He has overcome the world. If you deny this--you rob Christ of His victory, which by the standard that you justify saying that the saints do not rule the world, you also speak against Him who is in them.
• You are focused on the world, and therefore that is all you see. Those killings and waring are not what Jesus overcame-- It is still appointed once for men to die, even to the end of the times of the gentiles.
• You seem to have the world confused with the kingdom.
• But, no, I have explained what you have confused. And it is not you appointed me, nor are you able to take it from me.

Amen Christians who always take a literal meaning over a symbolic interpretation take away from the message which was meant to be given.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:4 says those beheaded reign with Christ for 1,000 years. You are applying way too much to this passage, and making unwarranted assumptions like calling it a spiritual resurrection. No such context like that. This is a physical resurrection, a first resurrection to a permanent incorruptible physical body.

So is it only the beheaded that rise?

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 19, when he fights from the air on a symbolic horse and sword.




Why wasn't Jesus mentioned when Judas hung himself? There's many passages that don't mention Jesus but that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't on the Earth. Jesus is in Jerusalem so when Jerusalem and the camp of the saints are surrounded, Jesus and the saints don't actually have to be mentioned. They are not involved in that battle. Only God the Father is, raining fire down to kill the army.




He only said no one knew when he returned when he was on the Earth in the 1st century. He did not say people would never know. All will see Jesus in the clouds, the first several vials will be poured and people will be harmed. It will be impossible to not know Jesus has returned. The 6th vial gets everyone to Armageddon and they are destroyed in the timeframe of the 7th vial.




No, this is wrong. Armageddon is a very certain battle at a certain place and time. It happens only once Christ has visibly returned and after the 6th vial has poured.

But Peter says that when Jesus comes He with destroy the world with fire

 

[ewq1938]

But Peter says that when Jesus comes He with destroy the world with fire

Not at the second coming. No second coming passage has fire being used to destroy anything.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

See? It doesn't say the coming of Jesus. It's the coming of a special day of God/Lord, that's what John saw in Revelation 21:1:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

It's this day that the fire will destroy the old so a New Heaven and new Earth could be seen. The old ones "passed away" and we know that fire is used in that process from Peter.

None of that happens at the second coming, which is a very different day.

 

[Marty fox]

Not at the second coming. No second coming passage has fire being used to destroy anything.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

See? It doesn't say the coming of Jesus. It's the coming of a special day of God/Lord, that's what John saw in Revelation 21:1:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

It's this day that the fire will destroy the old so a New Heaven and new Earth could be seen. The old ones "passed away" and we know that fire is used in that process from Peter.

None of that happens at the second coming, which is a very different day.

You only showed half of the text


2 Peter 3:3-9
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.



The topic Peter is talking about is the second coming. Thats what the scoffers are saying that Jesus is slow in His promise so they doubt it

 

[dad]

As it is Christ not you who lives in you, you no more judge any thought of yours to be evil?

Is this a sinless saint/holiness thread? Why do you not address the topic?

 

[dad]

Again you are posting verses but none that say that we reign with Christ on earth for 1000 years.

Your inability to comprehend does not mean that the verses do not say we will reign with Him for a 1000 years. If you doubt that is the 1000 years after He returns to earth with His saints, then when do you think the 1000 years are?

Of course we don’t reign without Him you keep claiming that I think or say things that I don’t.

Well, He is HERE when He returns with His saints to rule. How would we reign with Him over nations if we were not also here?

We reign with Him spiritually in heaven and on earth but not one biblical verse in the bible says that Jesus reigns on the earth for 1000 years if He did wouldn’t the bible mention it at least once?

Reigning is not about some 'spiritual reign' in heaven. He made us kings and priests. The faithful Stewart Jesus spoke about was given cities to rule, not fairy dust in heaven.

We need to listen to the message that John is giving us and literalism take away from the message and give the scripture a completely different meaning than what was meant

You are conflating literalism with belief. It is only a matter of belief.

 

[dad]

Fine. I'll start a conversation with this question. Like to answer?

Still dealing with this thread.

 

[dad]

But Peter says that when Jesus comes He with destroy the world with fire

He will, but not the minute He gets here! That is as the bible says clearly at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[Marty fox]

Your inability to comprehend does not mean that the verses do not say we will reign with Him for a 1000 years. If you doubt that is the 1000 years after He returns to earth with His saints, then when do you think the 1000 years are?
Well, He is HERE when He returns with His saints to rule. How would we reign with Him over nations if we were not also here?
Reigning is not about some 'spiritual reign' in heaven. He made us kings and priests. The faithful Stewart Jesus spoke about was given cities to rule, not fairy dust in heaven.

You are conflating literalism with belief. It is only a matter of belief.

I never said that we don’t reign with Him for 1000 years I said it not with Him on the earth.

We are in the thousand years now it symbolic for the church age

 

[dad]

I never said that we don’t reign with Him for 1000 years I said it not with Him on the earth.

We are in the thousand years now it symbolic for the church age

Well He is returning to earth and where He is there will we be also.

 

[Marty fox]

He will, but not the minute He gets here! That is as the bible says clearly at the end of the 1000 years.

Read the entire 2 Peter chapter 3 and you will see that it’s talking about the second coming

 

[dad]

I never said that we don’t reign with Him for 1000 years I said it not with Him on the earth.

We are in the thousand years now it symbolic for the church age

Great a clear reply. So you claim there is no 1000 years and totally wave it away.

 

[dad]

Read the entire 2 Peter chapter 3 and you will see that it’s talking about the second coming

That is part of the day of the Lord. The first part. A lot happens in that day. Including one thousand years.

 

[Marty fox]

Well He is returning to earth and where He is there will we be also.

Name one verse in the New Testament showing that Jesus returns and steps on the earth. Jesus never spoke about it in the gospels don’t you think that He would of if it happens?

 

[Marty fox]

Great a clear reply. So you claim there is no 1000 years and totally wave it away.

No that’s not what I said please don’t claim things that I never said I said that there is a thousand years and I believe it is symbolic for the church age

 

[Marty fox]

That is part of the day of the Lord. The first part. A lot happens in that day. Including one thousand years.

The text is about Jesus being slow in His coming and people doubt it

 

[Oseas]

~~ PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~ SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~

Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

Get ready, yeah, get ready.
Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

 

[Oseas]

If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14:v.4

(1) When The Trumpet Of The Lord Shall Sound - YouTube

 

[Timtofly]

So is it only the beheaded that rise?

At that point, yes. The church was already glorified at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal. The martyred from the Cross until the Second Coming were already resurrected and glorified. I know Amil do not like defining a 42 month period where Satan is given full reign of the glorious throne in Matthew 25:31. They want to conflate it with the GWT of God. This glorious throne is not even the "ones" mentioned in Revelation 20:4. Those in that verse at that Resurrection are not named, nor their precise location. Yet we know that Christ already has a glorious throne set up in Jerusalem. He just dethroned Satan from it, so Satan can be bound in the pit. If this 42 months is not literal, it will not happen at all. It is literally symbolic of nothing in prophecy, but itself. Unless you think Satan is sitting on that throne right now?

If Satan is on a throne in Jerusalem right this minute, one could pinpoint Revelation 19, 42 months from the day Satan was given authority to sit on this throne.