When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Timtofly]

You keep just saying comments to me but you still are not providing even one scripture showing Jesus reigning on the earth with us for 1000 years

Is your contention Christ reigning on earth or us reigning on earth? You seem to need proof for one or the other. Because Revelation 20:4 clearly states:

"and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

If Christ is not Jesus, who is this Christ? If this is not on earth, where John is experiencing Satan being cast into the pit, how did Christ get from the battle of Armageddon back into heaven? There was literally no change in the scene from earth back to heaven. That camp of the saints who were resurrected was still on earth after the 1,000 years. There was no change from earth to heaven period, after the battle of Armageddon. Amil have to prove their point that the scene changes from earth, to heaven 2,000 years ago, and then back to earth at the end. When Amil can prove that point With Scripture, not conjecture, they will have a point.

Amil can make Revelation 20 say anything, if they take the chapter out of context, or say it is too symbolic, it was not supposed to be taken literally. So no one literally rules and reigns with Christ? Because if that point is admitted, that is a literal interpretation, period. Amil cannot even claim a literal rule in the here and now. That would contradict Paul directly that we in Christ literally rule now. We don't need Revelation 20 to prove that, because Revelation 20 is not the same rule as the one ongoing since the Cross. There are two separate rules with Christ. The one since the Cross, that Paul describes. The rule with Christ after the Second Coming that John describes. Amil don't need to force people to accept their conflating the two rules. Amil can believe what they want to. But to deny a future rule as mentioned in Revelation 20, and then deny a rule is not even mentioned, makes no sense at all. It is right there, as ruling and reigning with Christ. Jesus is that Christ.

Revelation 20 declares that after Armageddon, Jesus is now ruling and reigning as Prince on earth. Daniel 9:24 is now in full effect, not just symbolically, to a few professing Christians on earth. Daniel 9:24 is the literal physical state of the whole earth and those resurrected. Now they rule over their offspring for 1,000 years per Isaiah 65:18-25. This is the iron rod rule of Christ the Prince, who is Jesus.

Not sure why any one needs to prove Jesus is Christ the Prince. Was Daniel 9:24-27 ever talking about any one else as Messiah the Prince than Jesus. Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew Messiah. They both mean anointed by God. In fact Messianics is the Hebrew word meaning Christians. They were first called followers of Messiah in Antioch. Which means those in Antioch were the first to confess Jesus was the Christ, even if they were or were not mocking the point. Not many Jews had accepted that point. Except the 3,000 on Pentecost from all over the known world, who then went back to their homes. Not many locally ever did. Jerusalem was controlled by rebels soon after which literally destroyed the nation. Certainly those rebels were not followers of Jesus.

Daniel claims Messiah was cut off. Exactly what happened, now they would have to wait for the return of the Prince, who is still Jesus at the Second Coming. Jesus is still the Prince to come. Of course, many today are just as confused on that point, as Amil are. Christ is currently Prince in Paradise. The promise is to be Prince on earth, not above the earth. "Over the Earth" means to be physically involved, not hovering like airforce one or a drone. Matthew 25:31-32.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

This happens at the Second Coming and continues on earth for 1,000 years. Then in the NHNE, earthly Jerusalem is replaced with the New Jerusalem/Paradise from heaven. This verse proves the nations are not disintegrated by fire at the Second Coming. Just man's technology and those works that destroy the earth and cater to man's lust and sinful natures. Can Amil prove that Jesus brought the angels to earth 2,000 years ago and has been ruling since in Jerusalem, or is this the earthly reign at the Second Coming? The Prince to come that has clearly not happened yet.

 

[dad]

If sinlessness & perfection are not required to be taken up in the rapture, why do you need the knowledge of good and evil in violation of Genesis 2:17?

There is nothing in Gen 2 that is about the end time when Jesus returns and takes us into the air. Part of the knowledge of good might be to realize that. We are saved when covered by the blood of jesus. He does not take us to be with Him because of us washing our own sins away. The sin that keeps us from getting saved (therefore being Raptured) is resisting/rejecting Jesus. Now since we know that a vast multitude, too big to number is saved in the Tribulation, I would assume that some of those people may have decided to stop rejecting Jesus and His Spirit. No?

 

[dad]

I believe that we reign now spiritually in heaven and on earth

The 1000 years after Jesus returns is about Him and us reigning physically on earth. Literally ruling. Actually reigning.

 

[Timtofly]

Where do you see Jesus showing up on the earth at Armageddon? The battle at Armageddon is in revelation chapter 16 when the beast destroys Babylon the great not in revelation chapter 19 when Jesus defeats the beast as Armageddon is not even mentioned in revelation chapter 19 .

I never demanded that Jesus leaves the earth after Armageddon I don't think that He ever comes to the earth. But if He is on the earth during the 1000 years why does revelation 20:9 only say that satan gathers his army around the camp of Gods people and not say that satan gathers his army around Jesus and the camp of Gods people?

John is up in heaven just like Revelation 4:2 says he is up in heaven seeing visions of what happens in heaven and on earth.

If know one knows when Jesus will return how come the beast and the false prophet has gathered his army to do battle with Jesus?

Maybe because its not a one time literal battle but a spiritual battle as the only weapon mentioned is the sword of Jesus mouth which isn't a literal sword but His word which is all powerful and saves and condemns. Maybe its repeated events of Jesus defeating all of his foes over time like the verse below. Remember in Rev 19:11 John see Jesus up in heaven riding His horse

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth

What I am claiming does not contradict any of the bible I am claiming what the bible says.

Revelation 16:14-16

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he (this is God) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

This is not Satan against Babylon. This is God pouring out the 6th vial, not Satan pouring out the 6th vial. The battle of God is Revelation 19. Jesus is God. Like I said, Jesus comes to earth, and this is not the Second Coming. This is the end of Satan’s 42 months, and now time is up.

John is not in heaven the whole time. John is literally where the action is. If you accept John literally goes to heaven, then literally John comes and goes from earth to heaven and back to earth to actually view and experience what is going on. No where does John claim he is in a fixed location, so not stuck in heaven for everything that happens. Revelation 17 and 18 are just symbolic scenes of God destroying Satan's 42 month empire. Revelation 19 is the actual battle of God Almighty. The rest of Adam's human flesh and blood literally die in this battle. Sin and Adam's transgression brought to a climactic and definite end on earth. Adam's transgression includes the wickedness of the Babylonian system of government from all time. Satan has had control of that system for 42 months. Satan will be defeated. Now the Prince will physically reign on earth for 1,000 years as Revelation 20 declares. On the throne Jesus declared in Matthew 25:31.

Why does John have to repeat the fact Christ reigns on earth? The point was made in verse 4. The point does not need to be repeated in verse 9. The scene on earth never changes back to heaven. No where does it claim Jesus takes His glorious throne back to heaven.

 

[Marty fox]

The 1000 years after Jesus returns is about Him and us reigning physically on earth. Literally ruling. Actually reigning.

So once again where does the bible say that we reign with Jesus for 1000 years on the earth?

You keep making statements but not providing scripters to support your claim that the bible says that we reign with Jesus for 1000 years on the earth. I keep asking but nobody can produce it

 

[ScottA]

The 1000 years after Jesus returns is about Him and us reigning physically on earth. Literally ruling. Actually reigning.

Revelation 16:14-16

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he (this is God) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

This is not Satan against Babylon. This is God pouring out the 6th vial, not Satan pouring out the 6th vial. The battle of God is Revelation 19. Jesus is God. Like I said, Jesus comes to earth, and this is not the Second Coming. This is the end of Satan’s 42 months, and now time is up.

John is not in heaven the whole time. John is literally where the action is. If you accept John literally goes to heaven, then literally John comes and goes from earth to heaven and back to earth to actually view and experience what is going on. No where does John claim he is in a fixed location, so not stuck in heaven for everything that happens. Revelation 17 and 18 are just symbolic scenes of God destroying Satan's 42 month empire. Revelation 19 is the actual battle of God Almighty. The rest of Adam's human flesh and blood literally die in this battle. Sin and Adam's transgression brought to a climactic and definite end on earth. Adam's transgression includes the wickedness of the Babylonian system of government from all time. Satan has had control of that system for 42 months. Satan will be defeated. Now the Prince will physically reign on earth for 1,000 years as Revelation 20 declares. On the throne Jesus declared in Matthew 25:31.

Why does John have to repeat the fact Christ reigns on earth? The point was made in verse 4. The point does not need to be repeated in verse 9. The scene on earth never changes back to heaven. No where does it claim Jesus takes His glorious throne back to heaven.

What is missing here...is that Jesus' reign began 2000 years ago and He is still reigning here and now as He has been the whole time with those saints whom He is "in."

As for the second coming of Christ:

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
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He who can count, let him count.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 16:14-16

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he (this is God) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

This is not Satan against Babylon. This is God pouring out the 6th vial, not Satan pouring out the 6th vial. The battle of God is Revelation 19. Jesus is God. Like I said, Jesus comes to earth, and this is not the Second Coming. This is the end of Satan’s 42 months, and now time is up.

John is not in heaven the whole time. John is literally where the action is. If you accept John literally goes to heaven, then literally John comes and goes from earth to heaven and back to earth to actually view and experience what is going on. No where does John claim he is in a fixed location, so not stuck in heaven for everything that happens. Revelation 17 and 18 are just symbolic scenes of God destroying Satan's 42 month empire. Revelation 19 is the actual battle of God Almighty. The rest of Adam's human flesh and blood literally die in this battle. Sin and Adam's transgression brought to a climactic and definite end on earth. Adam's transgression includes the wickedness of the Babylonian system of government from all time. Satan has had control of that system for 42 months. Satan will be defeated. Now the Prince will physically reign on earth for 1,000 years as Revelation 20 declares. On the throne Jesus declared in Matthew 25:31.

Why does John have to repeat the fact Christ reigns on earth? The point was made in verse 4. The point does not need to be repeated in verse 9. The scene on earth never changes back to heaven. No where does it claim Jesus takes His glorious throne back to heaven.

Keep reading to the end of revelation 16 and then read the last 4 verses of revelation 17 and you will see who destroys babylon the great but God puts it into their hearts for His purpose.

I agree John is only in the spirit in heaven just like revelation 4 says

I don't think that Jesus takes His throne back to heaven and John doesn't have to repeat that Jesus reigns on the earth because he never said it in the first place. If so provide the scripture people keep claiming it but not producing the scripture to prove it.

 

[dad]

Was Daniel 9:24-27 ever talking about any one else as Messiah the Prince than Jesus. .

That depends on what is meant by the people of the prince that shall come means. Some people take that to mean Rome. Then the final leader of the world that is considered a revival of Rome. If the prince that is to come were the AntiChrist, then what it means when it talks about him stopping the sacrifice is about the last week/seven years of history, when the AntiChrist causes the sacrifices to stop. Who were the people who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD? The Romans. So if the people of the prince in the end are also from the Roman Empire restored, that would mean that the prince is the leader of that kingdom.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

We know that in the middle of that final seven years the prince of this world will set up the abomination of desolation. He will also in that time cause the sacrifice to cease. We also know that there is no end of sins until Jesus returns to the earth. No everlasting righteousness. We do not have righteousness on earth today. What we do have is a world that is like the time of Noah, or Sodom and Gomorrah. Just because many people on earth are now saved does not mean they rule earth! That would be WHY He takes us into the air in the end, because the world is about to get clobbered with His wrath for being so wicked.

 

[dad]

What is missing here...is that Jesus' reign began 2000 years ago and He is still reigning here and now as He has been the whole time with those saints whom His is "in."

Check the UN sometime. Look at who is there and ruling. Jesus did not rule this planet instead He went to heaven. He will return to rule one day. WE have Him in our hearts, so He rules us, His people. He does not rule the world now.

As for the second coming of Christ:

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
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He who can count, let him count.

Yes, He does return. Why? Because THEN He will rule here.

 

[dad]

So once again where does the bible say that we reign with Jesus for 1000 years on the earth?

You keep making statements but not providing scripters to support your claim that the bible says that we reign with Jesus for 1000 years on the earth. I keep asking but nobody can produce it

You were given the verse a few times. Why pretend? We will rule with Him 1000 years.

Here it is for the last time.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In case there was any doubt when that was, the next verse clears that up beyond any possible doubt.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 

[Marty fox]

You were given the verse a few times. Why pretend? We will rule with Him 1000 years.

Here it is for the last time.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In case there was any doubt when that was, the next verse clears that up beyond any possible doubt.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

You were given the verse a few times. Why pretend? We will rule with Him 1000 years.

Here it is for the last time.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In case there was any doubt when that was, the next verse clears that up beyond any possible doubt.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I'm not debating that we reign with him I'm debating that we reign with him on the earth which the verse that you just provided doesn't say.

 

[Marty fox]

Is your contention Christ reigning on earth or us reigning on earth? You seem to need proof for one or the other. Because Revelation 20:4 clearly states:

"and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

If Christ is not Jesus, who is this Christ? If this is not on earth, where John is experiencing Satan being cast into the pit, how did Christ get from the battle of Armageddon back into heaven? There was literally no change in the scene from earth back to heaven. That camp of the saints who were resurrected was still on earth after the 1,000 years. There was no change from earth to heaven period, after the battle of Armageddon. Amil have to prove their point that the scene changes from earth, to heaven 2,000 years ago, and then back to earth at the end. When Amil can prove that point With Scripture, not conjecture, they will have a point.

Amil can make Revelation 20 say anything, if they take the chapter out of context, or say it is too symbolic, it was not supposed to be taken literally. So no one literally rules and reigns with Christ? Because if that point is admitted, that is a literal interpretation, period. Amil cannot even claim a literal rule in the here and now. That would contradict Paul directly that we in Christ literally rule now. We don't need Revelation 20 to prove that, because Revelation 20 is not the same rule as the one ongoing since the Cross. There are two separate rules with Christ. The one since the Cross, that Paul describes. The rule with Christ after the Second Coming that John describes. Amil don't need to force people to accept their conflating the two rules. Amil can believe what they want to. But to deny a future rule as mentioned in Revelation 20, and then deny a rule is not even mentioned, makes no sense at all. It is right there, as ruling and reigning with Christ. Jesus is that Christ.

Revelation 20 declares that after Armageddon, Jesus is now ruling and reigning as Prince on earth. Daniel 9:24 is now in full effect, not just symbolically, to a few professing Christians on earth. Daniel 9:24 is the literal physical state of the whole earth and those resurrected. Now they rule over their offspring for 1,000 years per Isaiah 65:18-25. This is the iron rod rule of Christ the Prince, who is Jesus.

Not sure why any one needs to prove Jesus is Christ the Prince. Was Daniel 9:24-27 ever talking about any one else as Messiah the Prince than Jesus. Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew Messiah. They both mean anointed by God. In fact Messianics is the Hebrew word meaning Christians. They were first called followers of Messiah in Antioch. Which means those in Antioch were the first to confess Jesus was the Christ, even if they were or were not mocking the point. Not many Jews had accepted that point. Except the 3,000 on Pentecost from all over the known world, who then went back to their homes. Not many locally ever did. Jerusalem was controlled by rebels soon after which literally destroyed the nation. Certainly those rebels were not followers of Jesus.

Daniel claims Messiah was cut off. Exactly what happened, now they would have to wait for the return of the Prince, who is still Jesus at the Second Coming. Jesus is still the Prince to come. Of course, many today are just as confused on that point, as Amil are. Christ is currently Prince in Paradise. The promise is to be Prince on earth, not above the earth. "Over the Earth" means to be physically involved, not hovering like airforce one or a drone. Matthew 25:31-32.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

This happens at the Second Coming and continues on earth for 1,000 years. Then in the NHNE, earthly Jerusalem is replaced with the New Jerusalem/Paradise from heaven. This verse proves the nations are not disintegrated by fire at the Second Coming. Just man's technology and those works that destroy the earth and cater to man's lust and sinful natures. Can Amil prove that Jesus brought the angels to earth 2,000 years ago and has been ruling since in Jerusalem, or is this the earthly reign at the Second Coming? The Prince to come that has clearly not happened yet.

Maybe you misunderstand me if you read my recent post on the last few pages of this thread you will see what i'm saying.

Of Couse Jesus is God and the messiah and reigns.

Once again Revelation 20:4 says that "we live and reign with Christ for 1000 years" yes we do but once again it says nothing about Christ reigning on the earth

 

[dad]

I'm not debating that we reign with him I'm debating that we reign with him on the earth which the verse that you just provided doesn't say.

There are nations. Where did you think the nations we rule are, on the USS Enterprise?

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Timtofly]

I believe that we reign now spiritually in heaven and on earth

That is my point. Amil deny any physical reign, period. Except Jesus is physical. Jesus never stopped being physical after the resurrection. Jesus is physically reigning from heaven now. At the Second Coming, coming defining physically arriving on earth like the first time, will bring Jesus to physically reign on earth, per Matthew 25:31. That is not a symbolic spiritual reign. That is a physical literal reign on earth from Jerusalem. Amil refuse to even see the beloved city at the end of those 1,000 years is still earthly Jerusalem. Name one other beloved city on earth loved by God, other than Jerusalem.

 

[ScottA]

Check the UN sometime. Look at who is there and ruling. Jesus did not rule this planet instead He went to heaven. He will return to rule one day. WE have Him in our hearts, so He rules us, His people. He does not rule the world now.
Yes, He does return. Why? Because THEN He will rule here.

By that logic, Jesus failed on the cross.

But no, that is not how God works. The UN is people and the world manifesting their own fate. Other than their own downfall, it means nothing to what God is doing among His saints.

But what is worse, is that by denying that He now reigns--you are denying that He reigns, that He overcame the world. These are not future events. You are speaking against what is written of Him. But again, no, you are only focusing on the world--and therefore, that is all you see, for the world sees Him "no more" just as He said.

 

[Marty fox]

There are nations. Where did you think the nations we rule are, on the USS Enterprise?

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Yes we reign on the earth but that verse doesn't mention Jesus on the earth so once again there isn't a verse in the bible that mentions us reigning with Jesus on the earth for 1000 years. If He does reign with us on the earth for 1000 years would the bible mention something as important as that even once?

You are confusing what the reigning actually is

 

[Timtofly]

Maybe you misunderstand me if you read my recent post on the last few pages of this thread you will see what i'm saying.

Of Couse Jesus is God and the messiah and reigns.

Once again Revelation 20:4 says that "we live and reign with Christ for 1000 years" yes we do but once again it says nothing about Christ reigning on the earth

Actually it does not say "we". Do you plan on being beheaded? A physical resurrection is on earth, as pointed out. Jesus is still on earth after Armageddon. "Being beheaded" has never been symbolic code defining "the church". Revelation 20:4 is about those literally beheaded in those last 42 months. They are not resurrected in heaven, but on earth. You have no proof this resurrection takes place in "the spiritual". It is physical on earth with physical bodies. It takes place on earth within hours of Armageddon and Satan being bound on earth, and placed in the pit.

 

[dad]

By that logic, Jesus failed on the cross.

Jesus did not die so that He could be emperor. He refused that when Satan offered it. You seem confused.

But no, that is not how God works. The UN is people and the world manifesting their own fate. Other than their own downfall, it means nothing to what God is doing among His saints.

The saints do not rule the world. Really.

But what is worse, is that by denying that He now reigns--you are denying that He reigns, that He overcame the world.

The way He overcame the world was by vanquishing it's leader. He did not invade Rome. The powers in charge today are killing babies, warring, and etc etc. You seem to have the Prince of Peace confused with the prince of this world.

These are not future events.

Luke 21 is of course about the end of the world in large part, and that was the question that was asked of Him there. What would be the signs?

You are speaking against what is written of Him

You have conflated princes. You have conflated prophesy and history. You have confused the 1000 years with something else. Etc. You are in no position to cast stones and lying accusations here.

. But again, no, you are only focusing on the world--and therefore, that is all you see, for the world sees Him "no more" just as He said.

The tread actually focuses on the Rapture, and prophesy. No wonder your posts are nowhere near target.

 

[dad]

Yes we reign on the earth but that verse doesn't mention Jesus on the earth so once again there isn't a verse in the bible that mentions us reigning with Jesus on the earth for 1000 years. If He does reign with us on the earth for 1000 years would the bible mention something as important as that even once?

You are confusing what the reigning actually is

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The chapter is about Jesus.
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Revelation 5:7
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

We know Jesus will rule. So when we are told we also shall rule that means with Him. Not without Him!!

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus did not die so that He could be emperor. He refused that when Satan offered it. You seem confused.

The saints do not rule the world. Really.
The way He overcame the world was by vanquishing it's leader. He did not invade Rome. The powers in charge today are killing babies, warring, and etc etc. You seem to have the Prince of Peace confused with the prince of this world.

Luke 21 is of course about the end of the world in large part, and that was the question that was asked of Him there. What would be the signs?
You have conflated princes. You have conflated prophesy and history. You have confused the 1000 years with something else. Etc. You are in no position to cast stones and lying accusations here.


The tread actually focuses on the Rapture, and prophesy. No wonder your posts are nowhere near target.

Your errors are many.

• Jesus died. That compares to what you are seeing of the saints and saying they do not rule the world. But His death was not a failure resulting in not ruling the world-- but rather, He has overcome the world. If you deny this--you rob Christ of His victory, which by the standard that you justify saying that the saints do not rule the world, you also speak against Him who is in them.
• You are focused on the world, and therefore that is all you see. Those killings and waring are not what Jesus overcame-- It is still appointed once for men to die, even to the end of the times of the gentiles.
• You seem to have the world confused with the kingdom.
• But, no, I have explained what you have confused. And it is not you who appointed me, nor are you able to take it from me.