When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Behold]

But His death was not a failure resulting in not ruling the world-- but rather, He has overcome the world.

ScottA,

here are a few things you can add to your knowledge base.

1.) Jesus overcame the world, by living a sinless life....So, HE had overcome "the world, the flesh, and the devil", before He was slain for the sin of the world. IN Fact had Christ not already overcome it all, His sacrifice would not have been VALID.
And by this Death on the Cross for us all, Jesus became this...>""""And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.""

2.) Now, here is another part of that "All power".......that is a fascinating thing to try to comprehend and believe.

Look at this..

3.) "As Christ IS.....so are the born again.....in this World".

So, Jesus has all power, in heaven and on earth, and the born again 'In Christ" ... are "As Christ is.....so are the born again, in this world'.

 

[dad]

Your errors are many.

• Jesus died. That compares to what you are seeing of the saints and saying they do not rule the world

If you are correct, please stop wars, and killing babies and all evil. Thank you. Instead of admitting the obvious, you claim others have the error.

• . But His death was not a failure resulting in not ruling the world-- but rather, He has overcome the world. If you deny this--you rob Christ of His victory, which by the standard that you justify saying that the saints do not rule the world, you also speak against Him who is in them.
• You are focused on the world, and therefore that is all you see. Those killings and waring are not what Jesus overcame-- It is still appointed once for men to die, even to the end of the times of the gentiles.

Baloney. Yes He overcame the world but did not begin to rule the nations, obviously. That comes at a time that is prophesied about many ways and times. Those who pretend He and us are ruling the world now are delusional.

You seem to have the world confused with the kingdom.

Not at all. There comes a time when the kingdoms of this world become His kingdoms! That time is not now. Obviously.

• But, no, I have explained what you have confused. And it is not you appointed me, nor are you able to take it from me.

It is you that needs to post cohesively and not try to cover your gaping opposition to Scripture with claims of being appointed.

 

[dad]

ScottA,

here are a few things you can add to your knowledge base.

1.) Jesus overcame the world, by living a sinless life....So, HE had overcome "the world, the flesh, and the devil", before He was slain for the sin of the world. IN Fact had Christ not already overcome it all, His sacrifice would not have been VALID.
And by this Death on the Cross for us all, Jesus became this...>""""And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.""

2.) Now, here is another part of that "All power".......that is a fascinating thing to try to comprehend and believe.

Look at this..

3.) "As Christ IS.....so are the born again.....in this World".

So, Jesus has all power, in heaven and on earth, and the born again 'In Christ" ... are "As Christ is.....so are the born again, in this world'.

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him

 

[ScottA]

ScottA,

here are a few things you can add to your knowledge base.

1.) Jesus overcame the world, by living a sinless life....So, HE had overcome "the world, the flesh, and the devil", before He was slain for the sin of the world. IN Fact had Christ not already overcome it all, His sacrifice would not have been VALID.
And by this Death on the Cross for us all, Jesus became this...>""""And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.""

2.) Now, here is another part of that "All power".......that is a fascinating thing to try to comprehend and believe.

Look at this..

3.) "As Christ IS.....so are the born again.....in this World".

So, Jesus has all power, in heaven and on earth, and the born again 'In Christ" ... are "As Christ is.....so are the born again, in this world'.

You are quoting, but where from, Ephesians 5:23?

 

[Behold]

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him

Yes, not everyone has believed, and not all will come to Jesus and be saved.
Those, are not in subjection to Christ The Lord, they are "not under".. as they have REJECTED His Authority, according to their free will.

But here is the end of that... and as you see, there will come that day when EVERY one, will be "in Subjection" to the King of Glory.

Philippians 2:10-11


10 : That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

 

[ScottA]

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him

This is correct. But that does not mean that you are correct in saying He does not now rule the world by His saints...just because it is not seen. Must you see to believe?

God is not "seen" either--but He reigns.

PS, You quote of your other post is messed up. I'll get back to answering it, but you might want to repair it.

 

[Behold]

You are quoting, but where from, Ephesians 5:23?

Matthew 28

1 John 4

 

[ewq1938]

Where do you see Jesus showing up on the earth at Armageddon?

Revelation 19, when he fights from the air on a symbolic horse and sword.

I never demanded that Jesus leaves the earth after Armageddon I don't think that He ever comes to the earth. But if He is on the earth during the 1000 years why does revelation 20:9 only say that satan gathers his army around the camp of Gods people and not say that satan gathers his army around Jesus and the camp of Gods people?

Why wasn't Jesus mentioned when Judas hung himself? There's many passages that don't mention Jesus but that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't on the Earth. Jesus is in Jerusalem so when Jerusalem and the camp of the saints are surrounded, Jesus and the saints don't actually have to be mentioned. They are not involved in that battle. Only God the Father is, raining fire down to kill the army.

If know one knows when Jesus will return how come the beast and the false prophet has gathered his army to do battle with Jesus?

He only said no one knew when he returned when he was on the Earth in the 1st century. He did not say people would never know. All will see Jesus in the clouds, the first several vials will be poured and people will be harmed. It will be impossible to not know Jesus has returned. The 6th vial gets everyone to Armageddon and they are destroyed in the timeframe of the 7th vial.

Maybe because its not a one time literal battle but a spiritual battle as the only weapon mentioned is the sword of Jesus mouth which isn't a literal sword but His word which is all powerful and saves and condemns.

No, this is wrong. Armageddon is a very certain battle at a certain place and time. It happens only once Christ has visibly returned and after the 6th vial has poured.

 

[dad]

The signs are all there so it is just a matter of time.

That is good news

 

[dad]

Yes, not everyone has believed, and not all will come to Jesus and be saved.
Those, are not in subjection to Christ The Lord, they are "not under".. as they have REJECTED His Authority, according to their free will.

But here is the end of that... and as you see, there will come that day when EVERY one, will be "in Subjection" to the King of Glory.

Philippians 2:10-11


10 : That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Yes of course the day is coming. The issue was that a poster said that day was here already and God ruled planet earth.

 

[dad]

This is correct. But that does not mean that you are correct in saying He does not now rule the world by His saints...just because it is not seen. Must you see to believe?

If saints were ruling, you could have told Hitler to back off. You could tell Putin to go home. You could end abortion etc etc etc. You are not ruling.

God is not "seen" either--but He reigns.

Not over nations of this world at the moment. They are still the kingdoms of this world.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: see SIGNS = rapture?

Precious friend(s):
1) There are NO signs need for what is Imminent!:
2) ISRAEL will rule and reign with Christ, on earth, at His "Prophesied" Coming.
3) The Body Of Christ will rule and reign, in Heaven:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

To be continued...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

 

[Ziggy]

In the meantime:

Jhn 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Don't let the cares of the world distract you.
Keep your eyes on The Lord.
He has his eyes on us.
Peace
Hugs

 

[dad]

op: see SIGNS = rapture?

Precious friend(s):
1) There are NO signs need for what is Imminent!:

Not if we already began to see the signs that our redemption was near. However, just because people in history had to live as if He may come at any time, does not mean that the Rapture was imminent then. Now, yes.

2) ISRAEL will rule and reign with Christ, on earth, at His "Prophesied" Coming.
3) The Body Of Christ will rule and reign, in Heaven:

In what way are we not part of the we who rules? When it says we shall reign with Him on earth, in what way does that mean only Jews?

Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming

That is correct He comes back to earth after the Tribulation.

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

Angels, yes. But us also.
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 

[dad]

So you believe you don't have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

Why would it matter when I have Jesus?

 

[Marty fox]

Actually it does not say "we". Do you plan on being beheaded? A physical resurrection is on earth, as pointed out. Jesus is still on earth after Armageddon. "Being beheaded" has never been symbolic code defining "the church". Revelation 20:4 is about those literally beheaded in those last 42 months. They are not resurrected in heaven, but on earth. You have no proof this resurrection takes place in "the spiritual". It is physical on earth with physical bodies. It takes place on earth within hours of Armageddon and Satan being bound on earth, and placed in the pit.

Yes it does not actually say “we” but we have been raised with Christ as Paul teaches

Colossians 3:1
3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God

You see we died to Christ spiritually and He raised us spiritually so this is proof and one day we will be raised physically too. Revelation 20:4 is showing that they still live spiritually even after death.

The beheading is symbolic for dying for Christ being martyred. It doesn’t matter how you die it’s the point of dying for Christ. If not then would you suppose that a saint being beheaded would rise but a saint being shot or burned to death wouldn’t rise? You see how literal takes away from the message that John gives us? It’s the message that counts.

Would Paul be raised but not Peter?

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The chapter is about Jesus.
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Revelation 5:7
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

We know Jesus will rule. So when we are told we also shall rule that means with Him. Not without Him!!

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Again you are posting verses but none that say that we reign with Christ on earth for 1000 years.

Of course we don’t reign without Him you keep claiming that I think or say things that I don’t.

We reign with Him spiritually in heaven and on earth but not one biblical verse in the bible says that Jesus reigns on the earth for 1000 years if He did wouldn’t the bible mention it at least once?

We need to listen to the message that John is giving us and literalism take away from the message and give the scripture a completely different meaning than what was meant

 

[Timtofly]

Yes it does not actually say “we” but we have been raised with Christ as Paul teaches

Colossians 3:1
3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God

You see we died to Christ spiritually and He raised us spiritually so this is proof and one day we will be raised physically too. Revelation 20:4 is showing that they still live spiritually even after death.

The beheading is symbolic for dying for Christ being martyred. It doesn’t matter how you die it’s the point of dying for Christ. If not then would you suppose that a saint being beheaded would rise but a saint being shot or burned to death wouldn’t rise? You see how literal takes away from the message that John gives us? It’s the message that counts.

Would Paul be raised but not Peter?

Revelation 20:4 says those beheaded reign with Christ for 1,000 years. You are applying way too much to this passage, and making unwarranted assumptions like calling it a spiritual resurrection. No such context like that. This is a physical resurrection, a first resurrection to a permanent incorruptible physical body.

 

[Marty fox]

By that logic, Jesus failed on the cross.

But no, that is not how God works. The UN is people and the world manifesting their own fate. Other than their own downfall, it means nothing to what God is doing among His saints.

But what is worse, is that by denying that He now reigns--you are denying that He reigns, that He overcame the world. These are not future events. You are speaking against what is written of Him. But again, no, you are only focusing on the world--and therefore, that is all you see, for the world sees Him "no more" just as He said.

Amen yes God allows people free choice and gives them grace if that doesn’t prove that God reigns over all then nothing will.