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“Jesus answered him, ‘I spake freely to the world, I did always teach in a synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews do always come together; and in secret I spake nothing; why me dost thou question? question those having heard what I spake to them; lo, these have known what I said.’

And he having said these things, one of the officers standing by did give Jesus a slap, saying, ‘Thus dost thou answer the chief priest?’ Jesus answered him, ‘If I spake ill, testify concerning the ill; and if well, why me dost thou smite?’

Annas then sent him bound to Caiaphas the chief priest. And Simon Peter was standing and warming himself, they said then to him, ‘Art thou also of his disciples?’ he denied, and said, ‘I am not.’

One of the servants of the chief priest, being kinsman of him whose ear Peter cut off, saith, ‘Did not I see thee in the garden with him?’ again, therefore, Peter denied, and immediately a cock crew.

They led, therefore, Jesus from Caiaphas to the praetorium, and it was early, and they themselves did not enter into the praetorium, that they might not be defiled, but that they might eat the passover; Pilate, therefore, went forth unto them, and said, ‘What accusation do ye bring against this man?’ they answered and said to him, ‘If he were not an evil doer, we had not delivered him to thee.’ Pilate, therefore, said to them, ‘Take ye him — ye — and according to your law judge him;’ the Jews, therefore, said to him, ‘It is not lawful to us to put any one to death;’ that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled which he said, signifying by what death he was about to die.

Pilate, therefore, entered into the praetorium again, and called Jesus, and said to him, ‘Thou art the King of the Jews?’ Jesus answered him, ‘From thyself dost thou say this? or did others say it to thee about me?’

Pilate answered, ‘Am I a Jew? thy nation, and the chief priests did deliver thee up to me; what didst thou?’

-> Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.’ <-

Pilate, therefore, said to him, ‘Art thou then a king?’

Jesus answered, ‘Thou dost say [it]; because a king I am, I for this have been born, and for this I have come to the world, that I may testify to the truth; every one who is of the truth, doth hear my voice.’

Pilate saith to him, ‘What is truth?’ and this having said, again he went forth unto the Jews, and saith to them, ‘I do find no fault in him; and ye have a custom that I shall release to you one in the passover; will ye, therefore, [that] I shall release to you the king of the Jews?’ therefore they all cried out again, saying, ‘Not this one — but Barabbas;’ and Barabbas was a robber.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:20-40‬ ‭YLT98‬‬


The kingdom of Christ is not of this world; and according to Jesus himself.


“There were not found who did turn back to give glory to God, except this alien;’ and he said to him, ‘Having risen, be going on, thy faith hath saved thee.’ And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

“For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await — the Lord Jesus Christ — who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power, even to subject to himself the all things.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

To me the kingdom of Christ is above, and the reign of God is within us by faith because of the spirit of God (Holy spirit) and the Spirit of Christ.

It’s seems that God reconciled the world unto himself through Jesus.

“And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation, in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, ‘Be ye reconciled to God;’ for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

It seems because of what God has done for all the world; and Jesus paying for the sin of all of the world.

That God is not angry with the world so there is no reason to take it out of existence. The only thing that will happen is that individuals still die however people go on to be spiritually resurrected; unbelievers and believers alike going into a new kingdom that is above.


“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, bright as crystal, going forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb: in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, [is] a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree [are] for the service of the nations; and any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him, and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads, and night shall not be there, and they have no need of a lamp and light of a sun, because the Lord God doth give them light, and they shall reign — to the ages of the ages. And he said to me, ‘These words [are] stedfast and true, and the Lord God of the holy prophets did send His messenger to shew to His servants the things that it behoveth to come quickly: Lo, I come quickly; happy [is] he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.’ And I, John, am he who is seeing these things and hearing, and when I heard and beheld, I fell down to bow before the feet of the messenger who is shewing me these things; and he saith to me, ‘See — not; for fellow-servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of those keeping the words of this scroll; before God bow.’ And he saith to me, ‘Thou mayest not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is nigh; he who is unrighteous — let him be unrighteous still, and he who is filthy — let him be filthy still, and he who is righteous — let him be declared righteous still, and he who is sanctified — let him be sanctified still: And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. ‘Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:1-15‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

It seems unbelievers are outside of the kingdom where believers are found inside of the kingdom.

There will be no end to earth except our understanding that all of will die pass on going on the the dimension of where God resides either near to him or not so near to him depending on the person if they accepted faith, or rejected faith.
 

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Re: Where do people go when they die?

At some point in the prophet Jonah's nautical adventure, he went to a place
called, in the Hebrew language, she'owl (sheh-ole') a.k.a. sheol. (Jonah
2:2). Sheol is sometimes transliterated instead of translated; likely because
there is so much controversy about its meaning.

Jonah located sheol under the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well, Jonah's fish was under the sea rather than under the mountains, and
seeing as how no part of a mountain is located in a fish's tummy, then we
can be reasonably certain that during Jonah's experience he and his body
parted company; implying that Jonah wasn't alive in the fish for the whole
three days and three nights reported by Jonah 1:17; which corroborates
Jonah 2:9 that the prophet's body underwent putrefaction and would've
been completely destroyed had not God resurrected him in time to stop the
process from getting out of hand.

Jesus appropriated Jonah's experience to illustrate his own. Jesus predicted
that at some time during his three days and nights deceased, he would be in
the heart of the Earth. (Matt 12:40)

Well; Jesus' body was laid to rest on the surface of the Earth; so in order for
him to be down inside the Earth at same time, he and his body had to part
company. In other words: Jesus spent some of his three days and nights
under the mountains, i.e. sheol. And he too was resurrected in time to stop
the process of putrefaction from getting out of hand. (Ps 16:8-10 and Acts
2:25-32)
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Re: Where do people go when they die?

At some point in the prophet Jonah's nautical adventure, he went to a place
called, in the Hebrew language, she'owl (sheh-ole') a.k.a. sheol. (Jonah
2:2). Sheol is sometimes transliterated instead of translated; likely because
there is so much controversy about its meaning.

Jonah located sheol under the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well, Jonah's fish was under the sea rather than under the mountains, and
seeing as how no part of a mountain is located in a fish's tummy, then we
can be reasonably certain that during Jonah's experience he and his body
parted company; implying that Jonah wasn't alive in the fish for the whole
three days and three nights reported by Jonah 1:17; which corroborates
Jonah 2:9 that the prophet's body underwent putrefaction and would've
been completely destroyed had not God resurrected him in time to stop the
process from getting out of hand.

Jesus appropriated Jonah's experience to illustrate his own. Jesus predicted
that at some time during his three days and nights deceased, he would be in
the heart of the Earth. (Matt 12:40)

Well; Jesus' body was laid to rest on the surface of the Earth; so in order for
him to be down inside the Earth at same time, he and his body had to part
company. In other words: Jesus spent some of his three days and nights
under the mountains, i.e. sheol. And he too was resurrected in time to stop
the process of putrefaction from getting out of hand. (Ps 16:8-10 and Acts
2:25-32)
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Hello @Webers_Home

So do people go to Sheol?
Sheol is known as (Hades - Hell). As well not to be mixed with the lake of fire.

Is that your position? I’m not sure what you are saying in your post. If you would please will be more clear? Using your own words what it is you believe?

I don’t believe people go to Sheol anymore because Jesus Christ died and went to Sheol and over came it and Sheol - Hell - Hades the covered place for the dead was given up all the souls in it and all were judged in from Noah’s age up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad.

Which leads to the new Heavenly Jerusalem being instated.
 

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My mother talked to me about her dying the other day. Told her would be sad but won’t have to worry about her suffering anymore because her soul will leave and go to be with God and she will be better off being with the Lord God Almighty though she will be missed.

That’s what happens when people die in my belief their soul leaves and they are resurrected spiritually by God and are judged.

The only thing I’ll say when getting is there is that it was all thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ, and am thankful for all (God and Jesus) they done for me while being down on earth… there no work or anything that can match Jesus.
 
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Yes you are right, this body is the vessel our souls traverse in, thank you for the reminder, k9buck.

@bbyrd009 is that a scripture you quoted?

@Wrangler guess that is the only two positions on that note.
 
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Give this a try:

@bbyrd009 is that a scripture you quoted?


No one knows where they go when they die
All go to the same place


"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Ecc 3:19-21


You and your sons will be here with me

"Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you [Saul] into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." I Sam 28:19
 

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Where do people go when they die?
OP ^

The "physically dead body";
typically is buried or cremated; returns to dust, waits for resurrection and judgement.

The "living soul";
IF saved; The living soul is escorted or carried (by an angel) to Heaven, to wait in comfort, for judgement.
BEFORE Jesus was on earth;
Saved souls, use to go to a 'comfort" portion of hell, (divided by a gulf of water, from icky stinky torment hell) and wait with Father Abraham's soul and Tree of Life.

IF unsaved; The living soul is sent to hell, to wait in torments, for judgement.

The "quickened spirit";
Only applies to those, Baptized with the Holy Spirit, and that spirit, goes to Gods Hand in Heaven.

A "natural spirit";
(of an unsaved man, not quickened man), dies with his body.
(Ie..."natural spirit of man": which is the mans natural truth in his natural heart)

Note;
(the Tree of Life, place of location, called Paradise, fruit thereof sustains life.)
First...the Tree of Life, in the Garden of Eden.
Then...the Tree of Life, in the Comfort side of Hell
Now....the Tree of Life, in Heaven.
Future.the Tree of Life, again On earth, city of New Jerusalem.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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-> Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.’ ...
What if the world is within the person or he is within it... and it is not planet Earth?

"And now I am no more in the world,..." John 17:11

Jesus answered, ‘Thou dost say [it]; because a king I am, I for this have been born, and for this I have come to the world, that I may testify to the truth; every one who is of the truth, doth hear my voice.’..
The kingdom of Christ is not of this world; and according to Jesus himself.
“...And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Try this one also:

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you" Luke 17:20-21 [KJV]


The kingdom within the "new man" of us...or?
“For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await — the Lord Jesus Christ..." ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
Where then are the heavens?

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.: John 3:13

Can you see three heavens there?
1) up to heaven
2) down from heaven
3) in heaven

To me the kingdom of Christ is above, and the reign of God is within us by faith because of the spirit of God (Holy spirit) and the Spirit of Christ.
Which way is 'up'? Where is a place 'above' me in my carnal fleshly way of perceiving? Is not heaven higher than hell? Would 3rd heaven be higher that 2nd or 1st heaven? If any heaven is within me, would it not be above any hell within me?
It’s seems that God reconciled the world unto himself through Jesus.

“And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself..." ‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

It seems because of what God has done for all the world; and Jesus paying for the sin of all of the world.
Which world or worlds? Not for planet Earth or the planet would not have any sins upon it.

That God is not angry with the world so there is no reason to take it out of existence...
Even so... the world(s) going out of existence are those never renewed by the quickening Spirit of God.

It seems unbelievers are outside of the kingdom where believers are found inside of the kingdom.
And if we are in the Kingdom of God or it is in us...?

There will be no end to earth except our understanding that all of will die pass on going on the the dimension of where God resides either near to him or not so near to him depending on the person if they accepted faith, or rejected faith.
And if the "earth" is only the little bit of dirt that forms the bodies of flesh of men?
 
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“Jesus answered him, ‘I spake freely to the world, I did always teach in a synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews do always come together; and in secret I spake nothing; why me dost thou question? question those having heard what I spake to them; lo, these have known what I said.’

And he having said these things, one of the officers standing by did give Jesus a slap, saying, ‘Thus dost thou answer the chief priest?’ Jesus answered him, ‘If I spake ill, testify concerning the ill; and if well, why me dost thou smite?’

Annas then sent him bound to Caiaphas the chief priest. And Simon Peter was standing and warming himself, they said then to him, ‘Art thou also of his disciples?’ he denied, and said, ‘I am not.’

One of the servants of the chief priest, being kinsman of him whose ear Peter cut off, saith, ‘Did not I see thee in the garden with him?’ again, therefore, Peter denied, and immediately a cock crew.

They led, therefore, Jesus from Caiaphas to the praetorium, and it was early, and they themselves did not enter into the praetorium, that they might not be defiled, but that they might eat the passover; Pilate, therefore, went forth unto them, and said, ‘What accusation do ye bring against this man?’ they answered and said to him, ‘If he were not an evil doer, we had not delivered him to thee.’ Pilate, therefore, said to them, ‘Take ye him — ye — and according to your law judge him;’ the Jews, therefore, said to him, ‘It is not lawful to us to put any one to death;’ that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled which he said, signifying by what death he was about to die.

Pilate, therefore, entered into the praetorium again, and called Jesus, and said to him, ‘Thou art the King of the Jews?’ Jesus answered him, ‘From thyself dost thou say this? or did others say it to thee about me?’

Pilate answered, ‘Am I a Jew? thy nation, and the chief priests did deliver thee up to me; what didst thou?’

-> Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.’ <-

Pilate, therefore, said to him, ‘Art thou then a king?’

Jesus answered, ‘Thou dost say [it]; because a king I am, I for this have been born, and for this I have come to the world, that I may testify to the truth; every one who is of the truth, doth hear my voice.’

Pilate saith to him, ‘What is truth?’ and this having said, again he went forth unto the Jews, and saith to them, ‘I do find no fault in him; and ye have a custom that I shall release to you one in the passover; will ye, therefore, [that] I shall release to you the king of the Jews?’ therefore they all cried out again, saying, ‘Not this one — but Barabbas;’ and Barabbas was a robber.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:20-40‬ ‭YLT98‬‬


The kingdom of Christ is not of this world; and according to Jesus himself.


“There were not found who did turn back to give glory to God, except this alien;’ and he said to him, ‘Having risen, be going on, thy faith hath saved thee.’ And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

“For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await — the Lord Jesus Christ — who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power, even to subject to himself the all things.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

To me the kingdom of Christ is above, and the reign of God is within us by faith because of the spirit of God (Holy spirit) and the Spirit of Christ.

It’s seems that God reconciled the world unto himself through Jesus.

“And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation, in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, ‘Be ye reconciled to God;’ for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:18-21‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

It seems because of what God has done for all the world; and Jesus paying for the sin of all of the world.

That God is not angry with the world so there is no reason to take it out of existence. The only thing that will happen is that individuals still die however people go on to be spiritually resurrected; unbelievers and believers alike going into a new kingdom that is above.


“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, bright as crystal, going forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb: in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, [is] a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree [are] for the service of the nations; and any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him, and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads, and night shall not be there, and they have no need of a lamp and light of a sun, because the Lord God doth give them light, and they shall reign — to the ages of the ages. And he said to me, ‘These words [are] stedfast and true, and the Lord God of the holy prophets did send His messenger to shew to His servants the things that it behoveth to come quickly: Lo, I come quickly; happy [is] he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.’ And I, John, am he who is seeing these things and hearing, and when I heard and beheld, I fell down to bow before the feet of the messenger who is shewing me these things; and he saith to me, ‘See — not; for fellow-servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of those keeping the words of this scroll; before God bow.’ And he saith to me, ‘Thou mayest not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is nigh; he who is unrighteous — let him be unrighteous still, and he who is filthy — let him be filthy still, and he who is righteous — let him be declared righteous still, and he who is sanctified — let him be sanctified still: And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. ‘Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:1-15‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

It seems unbelievers are outside of the kingdom where believers are found inside of the kingdom.

There will be no end to earth except our understanding that all of will die pass on going on the the dimension of where God resides either near to him or not so near to him depending on the person if they accepted faith, or rejected faith.

The Bible states that everyone goes to Sheol/Hades upon death, including Jesus. Although there were people resurrected prior to Jesus, Jesus was the first to be resurrected without having to die again. Did you know that in the future, Hades will be emptied, all will be resurrected from it and then with no more need for it, it will be cast into the lake of fire Rev 20:13,14. Pretty amazing huh Matt?
 

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Oh Robert I believe those all came to pass already. My belief suggests all people go to God to be judged. There will be those who choose to have no faith placed outside the kingdom of God and those who choose faith will go be with God because of believing on the Son of God.

you are right it is amazing thank you for sharing.
 
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My mother talked to me about her dying the other day. Told her would be sad but won’t have to worry about her suffering anymore because her soul will leave and go to be with God and she will be better off being with the Lord God Almighty though she will be missed.

That’s what happens when people die in my belief their soul leaves and they are resurrected spiritually by God and are judged.

The only thing I’ll say when getting is there is that it was all thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ, and am thankful for all (God and Jesus) they done for me while being down on earth… there no work or anything that can match Jesus.

Hmmm…I believe you were already resurrected spiritually/born of the Spirit. Your body can and will die but will be resurrected later, in the judgement, but even though your body dies, you will live. And then later on…you will have a body again?

I always marvel over that verse at the end of one of the gospels that says after Jesus rose, they saw many of their dead walking around…

Because of seeing many of their dead walking around, I suspect that we don’t sleep anymore but think maybe…those that aren’t His do sleep until the second resurrection.

It’s very intriguing…
 

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Luke 16:22-23 . . And it came to pass, that the rich man also died, and
was buried. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments

Hades is translated from the Greek word haides (hah'-dace) which in ancient
Hellenistic culture was a netherworld location to which all the dead retired;
both the good dead and the bad dead, and the young dead and the old dead,
both male and female. (These days we'd have to include the non binary and
those afflicted with gender dysphoria)

Hades is often said to be "the grave" but that presents a bit of a problem
because the rich man is shown dialoguing with Abraham, who was himself
deceased at the time.

There are folks out and about who would actually have us to believe that a
corpse is sentient, even though Ecc 9:5 implies that a corpse lacks
consciousness. If sentient, then how is it possible for a corpse in one grave
to communicate with a corpse over in another grave? How are their words
reaching each other?
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Oh Robert I believe those all came to pass already. My belief suggests all people go to God to be judged. There will be those who choose to have no faith placed outside the kingdom of God and those who choose faith will go be with God because of believing on the Son of God.

you are right it is amazing thank you for sharing.
All people will go to God to be judged...? Even the ones who have never received the Life that Jesus brought? Why?

"The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous." Psalm 1:4-5
 
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Luke 16:22-23 . . And it came to pass, that the rich man also died, and
was buried. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments

Hades is translated from the Greek word haides (hah'-dace) which in ancient
Hellenistic culture was a netherworld location to which all the dead retired;
both the good dead and the bad dead, and the young dead and the old dead,
both male and female. (These days we'd have to include the non binary and
those afflicted with gender dysphoria)

Hades is often said to be "the grave" but that presents a bit of a problem
because the rich man is shown dialoguing with Abraham, who was himself
deceased at the time.

There are folks out and about who would actually have us to believe that a
corpse is sentient, even though Ecc 9:5 implies that a corpse lacks
consciousness. If sentient, then how is it possible for a corpse in one grave
to communicate with a corpse over in another grave? How are their words
reaching each other?
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Thank you for sharing. To me when people died they went to sheol, until Jesus Christ rose again from the dead. They were all disembodied spirits. Could they communicate with each other be it on the paradise or the prison side of Sheol?

Here is a scripture to consider what Jesus had done according to Peter.


“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3:18-22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

According to Peter Jesus went and preached a message to the disembodied spirits in prison. So could they communicate I believe so.

Peter says here that Jesus came from Sheol/hades/hell - and went onward to be with the Father sitting at the right hand.

Later on in revelation one can see the disembodied spirits mentioned here being dumped out.

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

According to my understanding the white throne judgment happened when all of the disembodied spirits are dumped from Hell - Sheol - or Hades.

consider my belief is that this has already came and been done for those people at that time. Hell-Sheol-Hades is no longer for it is cast into the lake of fire, also with Death which is the second death.

Now yes this book is very difficult to interpret don’t get me wrong no one likes to touch and when they do sometimes they become very literal. Considering verses of God has a will to save everyone and all of this even desiring none to perish. I believe Satan and His demons and the false prophet of long ago was done away with and they remain away from all.

However because of what Jesus was able to do,


“Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

We see now that God resides here on earth with us in my opinion. Because you have the Holy Spirit with you.

Like said before it’s all difficult and no one likes touching these things however my suggestion would be in the original post of Revelation 22.

That all people go and are resurrected to God because of the victory of Christ (though many can downplay this victory), He over came Sin, death, Satan, Hell-Sheol, the grave, for all people.

That now to me in my belief and opinion that may be wrong but it’s what I will believe regardless if others think it is to far out there.

All people are resurrected given a spiritual body be it equipped to dwell in the light of the Heavenly Kingdom above because of having faith in Jesus. Those who do not have faith are too given a spiritual body by God that is only able to dwell outside of the kingdom.

Will this spiritual body have mind, will, and emotion? If God created us with these things wouldn’t it be possible also there? I believe so and I don’t God shuts the doors on those who did not have faith - if you believe this not to be true that is fine. You must consider about God not willing for any to perish and for all to eventually confess that Jesus is the Lord - be it after a long time of dwelling in darkness and that God desires for all to come to the knowledge of the truth.





Hmmm…I believe you were already resurrected spiritually/born of the Spirit. Your body can and will die but will be resurrected later, in the judgement, but even though your body dies, you will live. And then later on…you will have a body again?

I always marvel over that verse at the end of one of the gospels that says after Jesus rose, they saw many of their dead walking around…

Because of seeing many of their dead walking around, I suspect that we don’t sleep anymore but think maybe…those that aren’t His do sleep until the second resurrection.

It’s very intriguing…

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.


All people will go to God to be judged...? Even the ones who have never received the Life that Jesus brought? Why?

"The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous." Psalm 1:4-5

I believe we need a whole lot more scripture friend.
 

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Later on in revelation one can see the disembodied spirits mentioned here being dumped out.

Dumped out, or brought to life again to be judged?
I wonder often about how someone not born with the Spirit of God can be alive/aware after they die because that would mean men are born with eternal life in them, but I don’t think men are born with eternal life in them but only have eternal life in them after they are born again with Gods Spirit…
 

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Dumped out, or brought to life again to be judged?
I wonder often about how someone not born with the Spirit of God can be alive/aware after they die because that would mean men are born with eternal life in them, but I don’t think men are born with eternal life in them but only have eternal life in them after they are born again with Gods Spirit…

That is an interesting thought the scripture says the Hades gave up the dead with-in it. Your word would be better to use, like being pulled out from - gave up. Believe am in agreement with you a person receive the spirit when they believe on Jesus.


“Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:1-11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
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I wonder often about how someone not born with the Spirit of God can be alive/aware after they die because that would mean men are born with eternal life in them, but I don’t think men are born with eternal life in them but only have eternal life in them after they are born again with Gods Spirit…

I think this is because of the universal effects of Christ defeating death, that all go to the Resurrection of Life or the Resurrection of Condemnation, and exist forever. But it is called the "second death" for they do not have the life of God within them as the saved do, and so are eternally dead in this way, but it is simply called eternal life for the saved for the life if God is within them and they eternally exist in this way.
 
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