Where does the Bible say?

[BreadOfLife]

thanks for the reply, yes, lets clearly see it. there are only THREE Mary's mention in the accounts. watch the bold red.

#1. Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;" (it's three women here, because Joses, and Salome belong to Jesus Mary, just hold it and we will prove it).
#2. John 19:25 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, (James and Joes), and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." Notice "wife" of Cleophas.

#3. Matthew 27:55 "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:"
Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children." BINGO.

Now this, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

now the catcher,
so we have
#1. Mary Magdalene

#2. Mary the Mother of Jesus, (James, and Joses), who you now admitt that are brothers.

#3. the Mother Zebedee's children, (James and John), IS THIS now Alphaeus/Clopas wife? #4. Mary

#4. Mary the wife of Alphaeus/Clopas, (the mother of James the less?) I put a question mark ther, for the account show three women. or unless the wife of Alphaeus/Clopas is the Mother of Zebedee's children, then we have four Mothers. but the bible only gives three accounts of the women as mothers.

and since James the son of Alphaeus didn't have any brothers mention. so that leave, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

knowing that, Acts 12:2 "And he killed James the brother of John with the sword." so James the brother of John was KILLED. but the angel let Peter out of Jail,
Acts 12:17 "But he, beckoning unto them with the hand to hold their peace, declared unto them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, Go shew these things unto James, and to the brethren. And he departed, and went into another place."

that means the Jame mention here in Acts 12:17 is not the brother of JOHN, meaning the brother of Joses, meaning the brother of JESUS.

Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"
BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

And there you go again adding to Scripture what is NOT there.
YOU added "James and Joses after "Mary, mother of Jesus".

Here are the UNEDITED verses of Scripture about the account of the Crucifixion:

Matt. 27:55-56 says:
"Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states:
"There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome". In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs.

Finally, John 19:25 states:
"But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

There are 3 Marys:
1. Mary, Mother of Jesus
2. Mary Magdalene
3. Mary, wife of Clopas/Alphaeus and mother of James (Luke 6:15) and Joses.

Mary, mother of Jesus CANNOT be the mother of James the Less and Joses unless she was married to Alphaeus/Clopas (Luke 6:15).
She was ONLY married to Joseph of Nazareth - and NOBODY else. The onus is on YOU to prove that she was also married to Alphaeus/Clopas.

You have LOST this argument because you are too blind to see this . . .

 

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Mary, mother of Jesus CANNOT be the mother of James the Less and Joses unless she was married to Alphaeus/Clopas (Luke 6:15).
She was ONLY married to Joseph of Nazareth - and NOBODY else. The onus is on YOU to prove that she was also married to Alphaeus/Clopas.

you said,
Post #273 WRONG.
You have it backwards.

James the Less is the brother of Joses (Joseph) snd the son of Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus). This is the "brother" of the Lord.
The other James who was an Apostle was the brother of John and the son of Zebedee.

YOU ERROR, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

and you said, "This is the "brother" of the Lord". I thought you claim Jesus didn't have any biological brothers, so you have lied twice.

Your lie is exposed, Clopas (Alphaeus) had only one son. James. no Joses, or John. (this is the Less)
this is the scripture that your eyes cannot see, #1. Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less (stop, one child, this is Clopas (Alphaeus son). because the mother of Zebedee children, and NOT a Child. so the child, (James) of Clopas (Alphaeus) had only one son. James

James the Less is no brother, hence the title less, no brothers.

Now lets look at the apostle list..
Matthew 10:2 "Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;"
Matthew 10:3 "Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;" (ONE James).

so the James of Zebedee, and John his brother have nothing to do with James and Joses, of Mary the Mother of Jesus.

so you can go and cry about it all you want, the scriptures is not changing.

Remember you said, "James the Less is the brother of Joses (Joseph) snd the son of Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus)"

Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus) had one son who was called by the Lord Jesus. look at Matthew 10:3 again. ... YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[BreadOfLife]

you said,
Post #273 WRONG.
You have it backwards.

James the Less is the brother of Joses (Joseph) snd the son of Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus). This is the "brother" of the Lord.
The other James who was an Apostle was the brother of John and the son of Zebedee.

YOU ERROR, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

and you said, "This is the "brother" of the Lord". I thought you claim Jesus didn't have any biological brothers, so you have lied twice.

Your lie is exposed, Clopas (Alphaeus) had only one son. James. no Joses, or John. (this is the Less)
this is the scripture that your eyes cannot see, #1. Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less (stop, one child, this is Clopas (Alphaeus son). because the mother of Zebedee children, and NOT a Child. so the child, (James) of Clopas (Alphaeus) had only one son. James

James the Less is no brother, hence the title less, no brothers.

Now lets look at the apostle list..
Matthew 10:2 "Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;"
Matthew 10:3 "Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;" (ONE James).

so the James of Zebedee, and John his brother have nothing to do with James and Joses, of Mary the Mother of Jesus.

so you can go and cry about it all you want, the scriptures is not changing.

Remember you said, "James the Less is the brother of Joses (Joseph) snd the son of Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus)"

Mary and Clopas (Alphaeus) had one son who was called by the Lord Jesus. look at Matthew 10:3 again. ... YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

WOW - you are TOTALLY confused and it's easy to see why.

YOUR confusion lies in ONE tiny blunder: The idea that the "Adelphoi" of Jesus were the children of Mary.
They were NOT - and NOWHERE does the Bible make this claim. "Adelphos" can be used for brother, hal-brother, cousin, nephew, uncle, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc. In Acts 1:15, we read about the 120 "Brothers" (Adelphoi) gathered together to choose a successor for Judas. They are NOT uterine siblings.

As to the title of "James the Less" - this title is merely to distinguish him from James the Greater, who was the brother of John and part of the inner circle of Jesus. He was at the Transfiguration with Jesus and near Jesus at the Garden of Gethsemane. This title doesn't mean "no brothers".

Finally - I never said that James, son of Zebedee had ANYTHING to do with Mary.
I think you should take some time off - STUDY the Scrptures, learn English some and Greek - THEN come back with an educated response.

So far - this had been like talking to a wall . . .