Where is the New Jerusalem?

[Waiting on him]

It’s walls are salvation and her gates are praise

Revelation 21:21 KJV
[21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Tecarta BibleWow had to have been one huge oyster?

 

[Waiting on him]

"No", not for the "Literalists" among us. They are looking for structures made from the stones and minerals of the Earth.. and even from the gastric deposits of oysters.

That’s funny you were posting that wile I was thinking it. You just Jedi mind tricked me

 

[Willie T]

That’s funny you were posting that wile I was thinking it. You just Jedi mind tricked me

Great minds run in the same channel. (I think that is how the quote goes)

 

[CoreIssue]

"No", not for the "Literalists" among us. They are looking for structures made from the stones and minerals of the Earth.. and even from the gastric deposits of oysters.

Gemstones and gold purer than anything on this earth. 12 giant pearls.

 

[Willie T]

Gemstones and gold purer than anything on this earth. 12 giant pearls.

Interestingly, our true desire for all of those things is really little more than their monetary value. To me, clouds, a baby, a puppy, or a sunset... even a tree, are much more beautiful than a hunk of gold.

 

[Waiting on him]

Interestingly, our true desire for all of those things is really little more than their monetary value. To me, clouds, a baby, a puppy, or a sunset... even a tree, are much more beautiful than a hunk of gold.

Well said!

 

[Willie T]

Interestingly, our true desire for all of those things is really little more than their monetary value. To me, clouds, a baby, a puppy, or a sunset... even a tree, are much more beautiful than a hunk of gold.

I honestly do find it odd that the Bible often plays directly to our desire to have riches... or for getting even with our enemies... or being elevated to the positions of rulers over others, etc, et al.

 

[tooldtocare]

I am glade that the US embassy has been moved to Jerusalem where the Palestinians can converse directly with the Americans far, far away from the Zion city called tel aviv !!

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[marks]

We grow up with the concept of "cities" so we don't think about it any, but a city is at best a blight on the landscape, a scab basically--more like an open wound I guess--that is not sustainable and must be maintained, as we are learning now with our 100+ year old infrastructure.

Anyway the point is we have like stars in our eyes where cities are concerned, and easily read of a literal place @ New Jerusalem that comports with our desire for Death More Abundantly, we allow our scribes to write "miles" and "squares" and etc and we read that bc that is what we seek I guess

Man's cities, I'd agree, but God could do something different, better, eternal. Not like our kinds of cities.

Myself, I'm not concerned over whether it is this or that. But I believe the Bible tells me things, and when I read "measure", I think "sum". In this case, distance.

I think the reality is going to be something surprising to us all.

Much love!
Mark

PS . . . what do you mean when you say "desire for death more abundantly"?

 

[bbyrd009]

I think the reality is going to be something surprising to us all.

the Tetragram usually is, yeh

PS . . . what do you mean when you say "desire for death more abundantly"?

um, the turning of Eternal into Immortal, imagining that you might attain a place called heaven after you have died, etc. google "Mithraism and Christianity" for more

 

[marks]

I honestly do find it odd that the Bible often plays directly to our desire to have riches... or even for getting even with our enemies... or being elevated to the positions of rulers over others, etc, et al.

Isn't that very interesting indeed!

God puts several things in Scripture that hold out rewards and treasures and glory. All things we want. But perhaps we don't trust those desires. We've seen the flesh pervert them in it's lusts for other things. Wealth meant for others. Glory gained in vain. Rewards from other men, but not God.

But we mustn't throw the baby with the bath.

2 Corinthians 5 rightly says that we don't want to put off our bodies and become disembodied, rather, that we want to be clothed upon with our eternal bodies, and that God made us this way. God gave us that desire. Why? Because He intends to fulfill it.

God gave us the desire for true riches, because that's what He wants for us. Jesus even commanded us to store our treasures in heaven, so we can have them for eternity.

2 Corinthians 4 teaches us to endure through the suffering knowing that even though we don't see it now, this suffering is building for us much more glory to come. And this appeals to our sense of compensation, but in reality God is simply describing His building process.

It is good that I was afflicted, for I have learned to keep Your law.

The affliction builds strengthens our spirit, and with an obedient heart we serve God. In serving God He then rewards us. His plan, not mine.

But I have to conclude that since God tells me to store treasure in heaven then He must want me rich there.

And if He tells me that afflictions bring glory, and says that if I'm wise I may shine like the sky, and tells me to work for the crown that doesn't fade, then He must want me to have glory.

And if He tells me to be careful with which I build, because the wrong things won't bring reward, it's because He wants me to have the good reward.

I believe Jesus wants these things for us, intends for us to have them, and makes this very clear to us so we can be on the same page.

Much love!
mark

 

[marks]

the Tetragram usually is, yeh
um, the turning of Eternal into Immortal, imagining that you might attain a place called heaven after you have died, etc. google "Mithraism and Christianity" for more

So then what happens when a Christian dies?

 

[bbyrd009]

But I believe the Bible tells me things, and when I read "measure", I think "sum". In this case, distance.

well most any logical thinker will I guess, you know how we are fooled by "stay here for the present" when we are little? Same joke i guess, works great

 

[bbyrd009]

So then what happens when a Christian dies?

well, exactly what Scripture says I guess,
you and your sons will be here with me
we do not yet know what we will become

 

[marks]

well, exactly what Scripture says I guess,
you and your sons will be here with me
we do not yet know what we will become

OK. Thank you!

Much love!
Mark

 

[Jay Ross]

So then what happens when a Christian dies?

"Telegram to Glory oh what Joy . ." . . or however the song goes

 

[teamventure]

I honestly do find it odd that the Bible often plays directly to our desire to have riches... or even for getting even with our enemies... or being elevated to the positions of rulers over others, etc, et al.

So what are you trying to say? Are you against the Bible?

 

[brakelite]

We grow up with the concept of "cities" so we don't think about it any, but a city is at best a blight on the landscape, a scab basically

God, in all His dealings with man, and with all His principles of ethics and morality, is if nothing else, consistent. As we read through the early OT, we can note that those marked as wicked were noted as builders of cities. Cain and Nimrod. Later Isaiah I think condemned the joining of "House to house". Yet here we have presented to us the largest city ever described, comprising precious metals and housing the throne room of the universe bringing the Capital of the universe to earth. Contradictory? No, never. Because the Bible tells us that the meek are to inherit the earth...Adam and Eve were presented with a garden. Babel was shut down that people would spread all over the earth. I think our accommodation in the New Jerusalem is only temporary. A place to stay when visiting on new moons and Sabbaths. Otherwise I think we will be making our own homes out in the wider world among the forests and beauty of the new creation.

 

[Willie T]

So what are you trying to say? Are you against the Bible?

NO, I am saying "I think", instead of blindly accepting that I am not supposed to notice things like that if I want to be a "good little Christian."

 

[bbyrd009]

God, in all His dealings with man, and with all His principles of ethics and morality, is if nothing else, consistent. As we read through the early OT, we can note that those marked as wicked were noted as builders of cities. Cain and Nimrod. Later Isaiah I think condemned the joining of "House to house". Yet here we have presented to us the largest city ever described, comprising precious metals and housing the throne room of the universe bringing the Capital of the universe to earth. Contradictory? No, never. Because the Bible tells us that the meek are to inherit the earth...Adam and Eve were presented with a garden. Babel was shut down that people would spread all over the earth. I think our accommodation in the New Jerusalem is only temporary. A place to stay when visiting on new moons and Sabbaths. Otherwise I think we will be making our own homes out in the wider world among the forests and beauty of the new creation.

pretty sure that last phrase is the NJ bl. Tetragram says it best I think? Which is I guess why it is occluded in English, and becomes "square"