Where is the New Jerusalem?

[bbyrd009]

I am glade that the US embassy has been moved to Jerusalem where the Palestinians can converse directly with the Americans far, far away from the Zion city called tel aviv !!

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"I'm glad my slumlord, who raped my daughter and killed my son, has moved into a compound in my neighborhood so my apartheid can be overseen more directly" is a much more apt illustration I guess

 

[bbyrd009]

"Telegram to Glory oh what Joy . ." . . or however the song goes

Prophets gone a'whoring, why not just sing When We All Get to Heaven JR?

 

[bbyrd009]

So what are you trying to say? Are you against the Bible?

well It does say hide wisdom from the wise right, how do you think that gets done?

 

[Helen]

There will be much disappointment.

Just as in Jesus day...they were all excited , expecting Him to literally restore and "bring in the kingdom". He DID, spiritually, not literally.
The New Jerusalem in my book it's the completion of Jew, Gentle and Bride. ...
"Abraham looked for a CITY which hath foundations..who's builder and maker is God. "
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Nothing is said about anything which does not show Jesus Christ as it rock and centre . The New Jerusalem is not separated from HIM, ..in Him ALL things consist ... it is not a 'literal something' but a spiritual realm in Him in which we live and move and have our being.

 

[Enoch111]

"No", not for the "Literalists" among us. They are looking for structures made from the stones and minerals of the Earth.. and even from the gastric deposits of oysters.

Willie,
You are completely out of your depth and out of your mind. The fact that you speak of that which is *of the earth* rather than that which of Heaven displays your ignorance about this subject. So take some time to study what is revealed, instead of mocking God's revelation.

 

[Enoch111]

it is not a 'literal something' but a spiritual realm in Him in which we live and move and have our being.

I'm sure ScottA is delighted with this spiritualizing away of Scripture. The fact that we live and move and have our being in Christ DOES NOT nullify the reality of an eternal heavenly city specifically created by God for His saints to dwell eternally.

 

[Helen]

I'm sure ScottA is delighted with this spiritualizing away of Scripture. The fact that we live and move and have our being in Christ DOES NOT nullify the reality of an eternal heavenly city specifically created by God for His saints to dwell eternally.

Haha! Whatever you say.

But, for myself...as I read the book, from Gen to Rev..the ONLY dwelling Place God shows us is Himself!

Everything is in God...there is nothing outside of God Himself.

( not quite sure why you referenced Scott ... )

But bless you, and be happy. ....H

 

[Enoch111]

( not quite sure why you referenced Scott ... )

He's the specialist in spiritualizing everything. Check out his thread on this.

As to "there is nothing outside of God Himself" check out Revelation 21:23.

 

[teamventure]

NO, I am saying "I think", instead of blindly accepting that I am not supposed to notice things like that if I want to be a "good little Christian."

But the word of God is supposed to influence our thinking. We don't just put down the word if it challenges our thinking. We have to learn Willie. I'm saying this in love.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The New Jerusalem becomes clearer maybe right after one answers "what do I lack?"
and imo let those who believe it will come by observation keep looking up!
if your right eye offends you, pluck it out and toss it

‘if your right eye offends you, pluck it out and toss it’ ...had to go find where you said this which wasn’t difficult since it is often. Couldn’t stop thinking about it. consider that is what He did. One can’t give themselves sight only God can pluck out the eye that offends and cast it away. ?

Matthew 5:30-32
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [31] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: [32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Romans 7:3-4
[3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[bbyrd009]

One can’t give themselves sight only God can pluck out the eye that offends and cast it away. ?

I'm not sure why you say this, and the proceeding Quotes don't seem to be discussing it, so I got stuck here sorry. Why do you say that only God can do something Christ has plainly commanded us to do?

 

[bbyrd009]

So what are you trying to say? Are you against the Bible?

what an odd question...but we might see that the Bible is after all a record of the failure of a theocracy, among other things? And also that hidden from the wise and prolly leave the camp too suggest that an accurate interpretation will certainly be in opposition to an inaccurate one, don't you think?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm not sure why you say this, and the proceeding Quotes don't seem to be discussing it, so I got stuck here sorry. Why do you say that only God can do something Christ has plainly commanded us to do?

The Spirit of God in the Children does it. It is the work of the Spirit in them that gives sight to the blind and sight is not of man but of God. You mentioned to find out what they lack? What did you mean then? Bringing in another you say which is “does not testify of himself” but couldn’t this also be to not say it is of a man but of God? The power is of God and comes from God. Jesus testified of the Father. John 7:16-18 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. [17] If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. [18] He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

How can man pluck out the eye that offends without the power of God?

 

[bbyrd009]

"Telegram to Glory oh what Joy . ." . . or however the song goes

m Ross I'm curious bc you must have some reply ready for when ppl ask this irl and you can't employ the same tactics to avoid and ignore that are available on a forum,

how do you respond to No one has ever gone up to heaven in that case? Ty

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm not sure why you say this, and the proceeding Quotes don't seem to be discussing it,

You had to have brought up plucking out your right eye in regard to where is the New Jerusalem for a reason?

 

[bbyrd009]

How can man pluck out the eye that offends without the power of God?

well certainly not denying that, but I mean how can you breathe without the power of God too, right, so imo some convention must be employed to delineate to, say, believers who sure seem to have no trouble working for food right but balk at "doing" anything spiritual?

I mean what do you think Jesus would have said if you had asked Him this q?
What is your point iow, what is the end of that? Bc it reads like "therefore I will just sit here in this chair, or keep going about my day, and I'll trust God to pluck my eye out whenever He is ready"

 

[bbyrd009]

You had to have brought up plucking out your right eye in regard to where is the New Jerusalem for a reason?

Oh. Surely a reaction to some confident assurance by some blind person here that it will come by observation, be measurable like with a surveyor's transit, be literal iow basically

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Oh. Surely a reaction to some confident assurance by some blind person here that it will come by observation, be measurable like with a surveyor's transit, be literal iow basically

Without the Spirit could you see what comes without observation?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

well certainly not denying that, but I mean how can you breathe without the power of God too, right, so imo some convention must be employed to delineate to, say, believers who sure seem to have no trouble working for food right but balk at "doing" anything spiritual?

I mean what do you think Jesus would have said if you had asked Him this q?
What is your point iow, what is the end of that? Bc it reads like "therefore I will just sit here in this chair, or keep going about my day, and I'll trust God to pluck my eye out whenever He is ready"

All I’m suggesting is the right eye that offends was plucked out and the right hand that offends was cut off at ...your husband is dead; you are free to go marry another.

 

[bbyrd009]

Without the Spirit could you see what comes without observation?

haven't we already accepted that as a valid assumption? Without the Spirit could I draw a breath? So I'm not getting your point I guess sorry