justbyfaith
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I expect that you are accusing me.But I expect you are accusing the children of God.
But what I am doing, in all reality, is taking the scripture at face value.
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I expect that you are accusing me.But I expect you are accusing the children of God.
I expect that you are accusing me.
But what I am doing, in all reality, is taking the scripture at face value.
I find no contradiction between the verses in question and my understanding of other scripture.But it cannot contradict other scripture, or you'll be forever learning, but never come to a knowledge of the truth. What would you call the time before Christ, and the time after Christ? That is what Paul is discussing, also John.
I find no contradiction between the verses in question and my understanding of other scripture.
I expect that you are accusing me.
Indwelling sin (1 John 1:8) does not have to have any say over our behaviour; for if it be rendered dead it is rendered inept; therefore indwelling sin is a different thing from practical sin.Jesus said, those who sin are slaves of sin. And slaves will not be in heaven forever. But children of God will be in heaven forever. Jesus takes away our sin, and in Him is no sin. How can you not see the obvious? Are you a sinner or a child of God? If Jesus takes away all your sin, will you be lying to say you have no sin now?
Indwelling sin (1 John 1:8) does not have to have any say over our behaviour; for if it be rendered dead it is rendered inept; therefore indwelling sin is a different thing from practical sin.
We don't have to commit sin as believers; and if we are vigilant we won't.
But this doesn't change the fact of indwelling sin; which, if rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Romans 7:8, Galatians 5:24) does not have to have any authority over what we do; so that in the practical sense, we don't commit sin as believers.
In Galatians 5:17 it says that we cannot do the things that we would do.
This means that either we would do righteousness and cannot do so; or that we would sin and cannot do so.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; so that ye cannot do the things that ye would (Galatians 5:17).
This is speaking of those who have the Spirit, obviously.
Therefore having the Spirit does not eradicate the flesh. There will be times of temptation; and that temptation originates itself in your flesh and sin in the flesh.
Did not Peter even say that there would be times of temptation in 1 Peter 1:6-7?
And James in James 1:2-4?
The origins of this temptation is sin in the flesh according to James 1:14-16.
As a matter of fact this doctrine is in holy scripture.(no where in scripture are our present or future willful sins of lawlessness cleansed as we commit them.)
Yes indeed, and what I have been saying is that it is indeed dead although it has not been eradicated.Indwelling sin is from the old nature, which is dead in Christ.
As believers in Christ our relationship to the law has changed...we are not under it, we are dead to it, and are delivered from it (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6). What this means is that there is no more condemnation from the law; and that therefore we are forgiven of past, present, and future sins.
Yes indeed, and what I have been saying is that it is indeed dead although it has not been eradicated.
A child of God doesn't even commit present and future willful sins of lawlessness!!!
Not eradicated??? Jesus said when the Son frees you (from sin) you are free indeed. Indeed means eradicated forever. Totally cleansed.
We will not receive glorification until we go on to the next life.
We can already be sinless,
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)
Again, the apostle John included himself in that statement.
He could have said, "If you say that you have no sin, you deceive yourself, and the truth is not in you."
And this would have been more in line with your theology.
He could have excluded himself from the viability of the statement by saying "you" instead of "we".
So then, if 1 John 1:8 is speaking of unregenerated souls, then John himself was unregenerated. Because he included himself in the equation.
Do you think that the negativeness in your post is the way that you are going to convince people of the rightness of what you claim, especially as most of it is devoid of scripture?Are you born again, or are you just water baptized?
They are not the same.
So, readers, here is a question for you if you are born again..
What sin did the blood of Jesus NOT pay for, today, and tomorrow, and forever, if you are born again ???
See, you either understand that Jesus became ALL your sin and you became His Righteousness, or you have not even begun to yet understand "GRACE", = the Grace of God.
So, another question... Is there Sin in Christ?
Is there SIN IN CHRIST?
No there is not. And are the born again "IN CHRIST"?
Are the born again = "The righteousness of God, IN CHRIST"?
YES THEY ARE !
If you had any sin, could you be a part of God's family RIGHT NOW?
NOPE.
Have you ever read Romans 4:8 that says that God does not charge you for any sin you commit after you are saved?
= NOPE.
Because if you had read this, or been taught this as you should have been the first week you were saved, you would not be wasting your Christian Life trying to repent and confess your way back into salvation every week.
See, you believe wrong and that is why you live wrong.
You've had really bad teaching, and that is why you have really bad theology and no understanding of who you are "in Christ".
See, there is a harmful false theology that says...>""well, im saved and then i sin, and until i repent im lost or im out of fellowship with God, until i put myself back by my self effort".
And that is not related to Salvation. That thinking is not related to Grace. Its only related to self righteousness.
Salvation is.....that Christ became your sin on the cross and DIED, and you became His Righteousness and now have ETERNAL LIFE.
So, how Righteous.... how HOLY..... is Christ's righteousness? ??? = Its just as HOLY AS GOD.
And if you are born again you have the same righteousness. "The Gift of Righteousness". The born again are "The righteousness of GOD...IN CHRIST".
This is "the GIFT of Righteousness". This is why God took you as His, and accepted you when you Trusted in Christ and were born again.
See, He gave you HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS so that HE COULD TAKE YOU Into His HOLY HEAVENLY family.
Thats why you are born again. That is what it means to be a "new CREATION IN CHRIST".
Your spirit is born again, by God's Spirit, INTO GOD's, Spirit.
You are , "ONE" with God and Christ, if you are born again.
You've been told you are a "saved sinner" by people who should not be teaching or preaching. They should be out of the ministry. They lied to you, all of your life. They teach a bible that is closed to them. They read verses that they can't discern. They are wells without water. They are clouds that never rain.
Listen.. Who does God say you are?
He says you are ....
Saint
An Heir of God
A Joint heir with Christ
The Body of Christ
Brethren
Son of GOD
Child of the LIGHT
Redeemed
Born again
Blood Bought
Bride of Christ
Temple of the Holy Spirit
See all that? That is how GOD esteems you. THAT IS YOU, in God's perspective if you are born again.
And you dont see yourself as any of that because you have been lied to all your Christian Life by people who are DECEIVED.
And they've caused you to be also, if you see yourself as a "sinner", who is supposed to be repenting and confessing and living a failed Christian life, that is exactly that if that if what you are doing.
well mostly bc you dont seem to want to have a conversation? You are here to lecture, like the rest of these dunning-kruger types? So if yall are so convinced you are Yah, why not just tell us where we can go to worship you?Being that this is a Thread with a Topic that is offering all who would be interested, a legit place to discuss it, why dont you try that? ?
yeh, and running from the other half. i mean cmon jbfI expect that you are accusing me.
But what I am doing, in all reality, is taking the scripture at face value.
no "to God" in there anywhere, 1 John 1:9 Lexicon: If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing.
yall should all be locked in a room until only one is left imo.You keep adding to scripture
In Galatians 3:22 it is clear that the scripture has concluded all under sin.
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