Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

[Blue Dragonfly's]

So, you agree with the serpent:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.

Scripture says otherwise:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.



For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Mortal flesh only dies when the spirit departs, not when the soul within the earthen vessel dies by sinning against God's word.


Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spirit does. The soul awakens in hell or in the presence of the Lord in heaven.

No reasonable reader could read my post and arrive at your first conclusion.So, I'm not playing with the rest of it and I'll let you react to your own imagination.

Have a good day.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Critics get upset with the all-powerful loving God for not stepping in and
preventing the so-called fall of man.

But they need to remember that humanity wasn't created to be the subject
of domestication and animal husbandry, i.e. beasts. No, people were created
in the image and likeness of God, and given complete dominion over the
entire Earth. (Gen 1:26, Gen 1:28, and Ps 82:6)

In that capacity; humanity is at liberty to manage its own affairs as if it were
a divine sovereign rather than prisoners in a dystopian society, i.e. the Big
Brother world of George Orwell's novel: Nineteen Eighty-Four.

They also accuse God of entrapment for putting a tree-- known to be unfit
for Adam's consumption --where he could easily find it. If they could, no
doubt the critics would slap God with a product liability lawsuit for knowingly
supplying Adam with the means to destroy himself.
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[bbyrd009]

People keep trying to tell how a sin nature was put into man, with a process for which man is now born with it.

But no one has ever said who did so. Until we have a creator and maker of something new, then there is no such thing that actually exists.

Except in the imagination of people.

i suggest that you did so, as the creator of your separate self, and it takes no imagination to witness “the terrible twos” i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Mortal flesh only dies when the spirit departs, not when the soul within the earthen vessel dies by sinning against God's word

let the dead bury the dead

 

[PinSeeker]

I'd like clarification:
You teach sin is inherited by babes in the womb, and yet babes are innocent, until they choose at youth to sin.

How can any babe be innocent, if born with sin?

I fully realize this wasn't intended for me, but I'm pretty confident that Angelina and I think pretty much alike on this subject, so I'll answer:

She's not teaching that particular sins are inherited, Robert.

She's saying that sinfulness... the natural proclivity to sin... the state of deadness in sin acquired by Adam and Eve as a result of partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Genesis 3 which God warned Adam he would acquire in Genesis 2:17... the knowledge of (which means intimacy with) evil, as God said in Genesis 3:24... is inherited, even from conception.

And she's right. For any of us, from conception and even birth, though we may not have actually sinned yet, we are sinful and thus unrighteous, and undeserving of eternal life in any way, even fully deserving of the opposite... from conception/birth. It's not about particular sin or lack thereof, but the state of the heart.

@ScottA made a great point recently. None of us are born in the state that Adam and Eve were in before the Fall in Genesis 3. And as Jesus says in John 3:5-8 to Nicodemus:

• "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

And, as He says elsewhere:

• “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26)
• "With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God." (Mark 10:27)
• "What is impossible with man is possible with God." (Luke 18:27)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Behold]

Mortal flesh only dies when the spirit departs, .

Actually your body dies when your breath is ended.
Your Spirit is released when your body dies, is probably how that works and everyone has a day appointed for their departure.
Hebrews 9:27.
The RAPTURE, (for the born again) is essentially the death of your old body, as your old one will not be found with you, and your new one will arrive.

A curious "intermezzo" situation is if someone you know ends up on "life support", "brain dead", "pupil's fixed and dilated", and the body is literally being run or managed by the "brain stem".
This is when you have to decide what you really believe, as if that happens to your mom, dad, children, brothers, sisters, then..... are they really there, or are they not really there?
They are breathing, as the respirator assures that will continue, but, where are THEY, as they are not their body.
The body is just the earth suit, and the real YOU< is your Spirit.

Paul says, """absent from the Body, and to BE present with the Lord". And that happened to Him, and He does not have his New Body yet.
None of those (born again) who have died have it yet, as the Rapture has not happened yet.
The "twinkling of an eye" "you shall be changed" has not happened to anyone who has died yet, except for Jesus.
He has His "resurrection" Body.
The Apostles and over 500 people SAW the LIVING Christ.,after He DIED... and at least 12 saw him fly off this planet, in that resurrection body.
All the Born again, will have one just like it., and that will be amazing.

 

[bbyrd009]

The scripture says when we die, the body returns to the dust from whence it sprang, the soul to the God who gave it.

um, doesnt it say that the spirit goes back to Yah?

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't think so. I just think at some point we choose to disobey God. That's when the addiction begins.

i tell you that you can even recall your first transgression, and knowing that it was “wrong”

 

[PinSeeker]

Why do we at some point disobey the Lord? Maybe because in the beginning, we haven't learned to do otherwise.

Okay, I'll accept that, sure, but why are we prone to do the former (disobey the Lord)? Even if, as "babes," we haven't actually done it yet? Why do we have to learn to do otherwise (obey the Lord)? See, Bobby, it's not about actual acts of righteousness or unrighteousness.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Behold]

um, doesnt it say that the spirit goes back to Yah?

Thousands of people who died today, tomorrow, and yesterday, who are in HELL right now, wish they had gone to God., but they went to hell.
They so wish they had gone to that CROSS when they were on the earth, breathing, and they didnt, and now they are in hell.
You can believe that.
They are in hell as that is where a Christ Rejector, never born again, will go, immediately after they "draw their last breath".

Going to Hell, for the Christ rejector, is as certain is going to happen, as heaven is waiting for all the born again to enter.

There are no Christ Rejectors (never born again) in Heaven, and there are no Born again in Hell.
Believe it.

 

[PinSeeker]

That does sum it up.

Like I said, in a totally ignorant way, yes. But... that's... not good. :)

So glad my God and faith is not even in the zip code of that ideology. So,so,grateful and blessed, yes LORD!

Yeah, me, too. :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[bbyrd009]

You must not have read Psalms 58:3 which reads:"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."

well, babies dont talk?

This false teaching of an "age of accountability" was spawned by modern day evangelists / theologians who took the story of David and Bathsheba with their son that died at age two that we read about in 2 Samuel 12. Hence, the :Age of Accountability."

im all for being critical of the modern day teachings of preachers, Jun, but i think there might be more support for an (unspecified) age of accountability than that?

It is not only addictive, we sin BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS, period!

To God Be The Glory

yet we give little kids a pass for that behavior all the time, right

 

[bbyrd009]

If true that God is all knowing, and that nothing can be kept secret from
Him, and that nothing takes Him by surprise; then the answer to your
inquiry has to be YES

well…according to you anyway, yes

If true; then He also foreknew He would be drowning most of the world's
inhabitants with a global deluge, and that He would be incinerating Sodom
and Gomorrah, and that he would be killing off Egypt's eldest male offspring
from among man and beast, and that He would be holding back Moses'
people from the promised land till most everyone over the age of twenty
passed away

it strikes me that these, also, are understood as explanations for God, rather than explanations for what really happened, or iow there is likely another way to understand those as irl events that does not make Yah out to be quite so capricious?

 

[bbyrd009]

Right, well, why? It's a rhetorical question, but there are reasons why people decide or choose anything. So, why? Again, rhetorical, really

why did you choose to commit your first sin, surely knowing in some part of you that it was not “right,” only expedient or desirable?

 

[bbyrd009]

The spirit does. The soul awakens in hell or in the presence of the Lord in heaven

since youre exhorting others to take Scripture more literally, a Quote might be in order there?
All go to the same place
there is only One Immortal…

 

[bbyrd009]

@ScottA made a great point recently. None of us are born in the state that Adam and Eve were in before the Fall

if only it were true eh

 

[robert derrick]

.
Critics get upset with the all-powerful loving God for not stepping in and
preventing the so-called fall of man.

But they need to remember that humanity wasn't created to be the subject
of domestication and animal husbandry, i.e. beasts. No, people were created
in the image and likeness of God, and given complete dominion over the
entire Earth. (Gen 1:26, Gen 1:28, and Ps 82:6)

In that capacity; humanity is at liberty to manage its own affairs as if it were
a divine sovereign rather than prisoners in a dystopian society, i.e. the Big
Brother world of George Orwell's novel: Nineteen Eighty-Four.

They also accuse God of entrapment for putting a tree-- known to be unfit
for Adam's consumption --where he could easily find it. If they could, no
doubt the critics would slap God with a product liability lawsuit for knowingly
supplying Adam with the means to destroy himself.
_

Thank you. Well said, and good point.

Born with sin nature fallen Adamic race is doctrine for predisposed losers in life. It's more Marvel Science fiction than truth of Scripture and reality of life.

 

[Bob Estey]

i tell you that you can even recall your first transgression, and knowing that it was “wrong”

I think it would be hard to remember one's first transgression. As a matter of fact, I suspect the Lord has been trying to lead each one of us from the moment we were born, and early on, probably each of us ignored his advice.

 

[Bob Estey]

Okay, I'll accept that, sure, but why are we prone to do the former (disobey the Lord)? Even if, as "babes," we haven't actually done it yet? Why do we have to learn to do otherwise (obey the Lord)? See, Bobby, it's not about actual acts of righteousness or unrighteousness.

Grace and peace to you.

I don't think we were every prone to doing the wrong thing, but once we did, we created an addiction to doing the same wrong thing again.

 

[robert derrick]

i suggest that you did so, as the creator of your separate self, and it takes no imagination to witness “the terrible twos” i guess

This is the only answer offered on this thread, and I completely agree.

Lucifer destroyed his relationship with his Creator, when he created his own lust against Christ within himself.

Adam, Eve, and every other soul since, except Jesus, has done likewise when tempted from their youth, by receiving that same lust into our hearts.

There is no 'sin thing' hidden in flesh of man by Christ, when He forms us in the womb.

Angels and men are created spiritual beings by Christ, with the power to choose good or evil, and we were all made by Christ with the light of Christ to choose good rather than evil.

Neither angels nor men are created by Christ with the desire to do evil, but rather with the desire to be and do good for His pleasure.

Lucifer is the first to choose evil, contrary to his created nature by Christ, and all men, except Jesus, have likewise been tempted and chosen to do the same, contrary to our created nature by Christ in the womb.

This thread proves that no teacher of birth by sin nature wants to have anything to do with the observation, that it would have to be Christ who is now creates sin-filled babes in the womb, with premade lust to sin against God.

That would make God the producer of lust in the hearts of children, and so to do evil from their youth.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.