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WHY do you keep trying to put limits on God?
Why do you use words like "CANNOT" when it comes to the Almighty??

Your lack of faith is pathetic.
With God - ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26).

As for your charge of "cannibalism" - this is yet another moronic accusation. We don't eat tissue and muscle and skin.
Christ gave us His flesh in a SACRAMENTAL way - through the accidents of bread and wine. - just as God's priest Melchisedek offered bread and wine (Gen. 14-18). THIS is why the writer of Hebrews compares Jesus to Melchisedek (Heb. 7:11-28).

STUDY your Bible.
Earth to BOL, earth to BOL, come in, are you there?
Quite your ridiculous mysticism and study your Bible and wisdom (yes, the irony).
The flesh is at enmity with the Spirit.
What goes into the mouth, comes out the other end - what proceeds from the heart matters
The temporal does not attain to the eternal
Christ provides wisdom through God's gift of the Holy Spirit, not through his annihilated flesh

Earth to BOL, Earth to BOL, come in, can you hear me?
 

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Congratulations, Marymog
Now you see what i told you. ??????????????????

Notice that the verse does not say...."BORN AGAIN OF WATER" .. in any bible except the corrupted Catholic version.

Its says Born of water... in all real bibles.

Do you understand the difference betweent "born again" vs "born"

See that phrase "BORN AGAIN"..........

Jesus did not say you must be BORN AGAIN by water,....He said you are born of water....... which is natural childbirth. and then you must be BORN AGAIN......
See that?

The water cults, changed the verse from born of water, to BORN AGAIN BY water. or BORN AGAIN OF water..

So, that is creating the LIE that you are BORN AGAIN =by water.
ONne corrupt bible has spawned the water cults, because it says "born again"= by water.
And that is a lie from hell.
We are not born again by water.........we are born again by GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.
 

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Three thousand joined the water cult in one day: Acts 2:41

@BreadOfLife do you know of anymore??

IN the old Testament, the last prophet , John the (Baptist), (water baptism) was water baptizing all the time, the Jews.

Peter, who is a Jew, during a Jewish Feast of Pentecost, (Acts 2) began to speak with the gift of tongues along with those who were with him.
They were ALL filled with the Spirit, and none of them were water baptized, first.
So, you make a note of that, marymog.
Count that number who were not water baptized, (including Peter) and yet were filled with the Spirit.
Share that number with breadoflife, and your Pope.
They'll want to know.

Next.

Peter the Jew, during this early part of Church History, had no knowledge of The Gospel of the Grace of God, as this was given to Paul, by Jesus, years later.
So, Peter preached in Acts 2:38 , the Old Testament= John the baptist's message, to those Pentecostal Jews, because he no knowledge yet of what Paul would teach the Church later as "the Gospel", or as Paul defines it..."MY Gospel". which is "Justification by Faith".
 

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Yes, Zacharias was punished and Mary was not, but don't ignore what they said. They both expressed doubts based on their conditions. Actually, they were both blessed.

I didnt ignore what they said.
One was punished for what they said, and one was not.
 

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The entire bible is one long never ending continuing revelation.
The NT is a revelation.
The Book of The Revelation is a Revelation.....quite a few.

And there is truth,, and then there is THE Truth., who is Jesus. John 14:6
There is THE Gospel, which is Paul's Gospel, and that is not Acts 2:38, and Paul's Gospel, which is known as "The Gospel of the Grace of God", that Paul calls "My Gospel" has nothing to do with water.

Try to understand this.....

Water did not come down from Heaven.
Water was not virgin born.
Water did not live a sinless life.
Water did not die on a Cross shedding blood.
Water did not come back to life and walk out of a tomb.
Water did not ascend back to heaven.
Water is not currently making intercession for the Born Again.
Water is not the Holy Spirit.
Water is not the gift of God.
Water is not the Grace of God
Water is not the Blood of Jesus
Water is not able to forgive sin.

Water is water, and nothing more.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

this refers directly to PAUL!
 

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Reader,

Shes not the mother of anyone's salvation.
She was not a "perpetual virgin". She didnt "ascend" into heaven, and she's not the "Queen of Heaven".

She was Christ's mother, and wife to Jospeh.
They had more children.
She was a sinner, who trusted in Christ, same as anyone else who ends up in Heaven.
You are not to pray to mary, and you are not to worship mary, and you are certainly not to follow worshipers of Mary, and never listen to one of them deny it, as they will deny it, knowing they do it.

your right about not to worship her or adore her or offer sacrifice to her for she is not God and those apply only to God, but not the rest, do you have any scary that defend those positions?
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Mother of our salvation Lk 1:30 consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
Lk 2:30 our salvation
In the line of david the mother of the king is the queen
No one said she ascended to heaven
Perpetual Virgin to follow
 

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APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF
POPE PIUS XII
MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS
DEFINING THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION
1950

“We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

Rev 12:1 and there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun...(body and soul in heaven)

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Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

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Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20

The Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept for Jesus Christ!

And the Bible says Her child is holy! And Her child is God!

Is 7:14 God provides a sign, a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular, one son)

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(The Bible says only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary)

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
(A son singular) (does James save his people?)

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!

Blessed art thou amongst all women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(The fruit of Her womb is blessed and holy)

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
(A son, singular)

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Her son is God)

Matt 1:25 He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

Until only states that they had no relation up to that point, the Bible does not say they had sex ever, before or after that point!

First born does not imply a second born. An only child is still first born!

No where does say Joseph a just and therefore chaste man has gone into Mary where the Holy Spirit has conceived, 2 Sam 12:24 And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the Lord loved him.

Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is Mary the mother of James?
If you mean the Blessed Virgin Mary then no. Her sister-in-law, Mary of Clopas, was the wife of Alphaeus (St. Joseph's brother), and mother of Simon, Joseph, and the apostles Judas Thaddeus, and James (the Less, brother of the Lord): Jesus' cousins.

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples.

Salome, or Mary Salome, was the wife of Zebedee, and mother of apostles John (the beloved), and James (the greater).


Regarding Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, two of the four "brethren" are James and Judas of Alphaeus (cf. Mat. 10:2-3, Lk. 6:15-16, Act. 1:13). The third, Joseph, is identified in Mk. 15:40 as the brother of James of Alphaeus. The fourth, Simon, is identified in Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 as the brother of Joseph, James, and Judas of Alphaeus. Therefore, all four are were the sons of Alphaeus, not St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Jesus on the cross gives His mother to John, why? Why not James or a brother? Perhaps the law of Moses requires a mother to be given to the next oldest son? Because he was an only Son!
Only begotten of the Father, only begotten of the Mother.



“You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king” (ancient writer)

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).


St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):

“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).
 

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St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.

For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.

“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.

“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.

“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.

“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!
 

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I'll give you the same Anatomy & Physiology lesson that Christ gave Nicodemus.
Share this with your Pontiff.

Marymog, if you get pregnant, then in about 9 months you will deliver.
And that baby is in WATER. He or she, will be born by water.....through that water., when that "water breaks".
See that birth? Thats by water, right out of you.
Thats Birth #1.
See it? THats= born of water.

But, that wont get you into heaven, as that birth is the 1st one, by water.

So, you must be BORN AGAIN.....a different way........because this next one is not natural childbirth by water...but rather, its a Spiritual birth that creates a NEW CREATION, and is caused by the Holy Spirit.

but it actually says born again by water and the spirit

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

no one taught your false gospel of faith alone until 1500 yrs after Christ

why? Why? Why?

Acts 8
Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch!

Obviously Philip preached “FACAGA”
Faith alone Christ alone grace alone

How did the eunuch know about baptism?

Why did the eunuch so greatly desire baptism?
(If it’s only symbolic, an outward sign)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
 

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What?

Here is the verse... "38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.""

So, that is Mary agreeing with the plan of God to bring Christ into this world.

Lk 1:30 Mary found the favor of our salvation lost by Adam
Jesus is our salvation Lk 2:30
Mary is His mother
Mother of our salvation
And consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
 

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Babies are not saved by water, and neither are ADULTS.
Also, when building a cult, you always want to give the impression of credibility.
You name drop.. You imply.....You suggest.
So, certainly, you are going to be told the heresy you are taught, came from credible sources.
Do you think they would tell you otherwise?
This is how you fool the kiddies.
Listen, find out why Valentinus, the father of the Gnostics almost became a Pope.
You really dont look in the right places, and that is why you dont find the right answers.
And you continue to LIE with impunity - even though God commands us NOT to (Exod. 20:16).

I have told you no less that TEN times now that it is not water that saves us and that water is simply the MEANS by which we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) - but YOU continue to perpetuate this lie.

As Peter wrote, wwe are saved THROUGH the water of Baptism (1 Pet. 3:21) - not BY it.
The reason you feel you need to keep lying is because you don't have a Scriptural leg to stand on . . .
 

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First of all, that is not the Gospel of the Grace of God, that is the John The Baptists, "israel's repentance" message.

Next.....you have all these in the upper room, who are filled with the Spirit, speaking in Tongues , before Peter preached, and none of them were water baptized yet.

So, you can't read, and you dont care.
Not a good combination.
John the Baptist's message??
They were commissioned by Jesus Christ, who is GOD to Baptize ALL nations (Matt. 28:19-20).

And how do YOU know the Apostles weren't water Baptized yet?
Show me the verse, since you are a Sola Scripturist.

This is precisely why you wind up inventing all sorts of perverted doctrines . . .
 

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IN the old Testament, the last prophet , John the (Baptist), (water baptism) was water baptizing all the time, the Jews.

Peter, who is a Jew, during a Jewish Feast of Pentecost, (Acts 2) began to speak with the gift of tongues along with those who were with him.
They were ALL filled with the Spirit, and none of them were water baptized, first.
So, you make a note of that, marymog.
Count that number who were not water baptized, (including Peter) and yet were filled with the Spirit.
Share that number with breadoflife, and your Pope.
They'll want to know.

Next.

Peter the Jew, during this early part of Church History, had no knowledge of The Gospel of the Grace of God, as this was given to Paul, by Jesus, years later.
So, Peter preached in Acts 2:38 , the Old Testament= John the baptist's message, to those Pentecostal Jews, because he no knowledge yet of what Paul would teach the Church later as "the Gospel", or as Paul defines it..."MY Gospel". which is "Justification by Faith".
Oh goodness.....run man RUN from whomever taught you that.

Thank you for your time!!!
 

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And you continue to LIE with impunity - even though God commands us NOT to (Exod. 20:16).
I have told you no less that TEN times now that it is not water that saves us and that water is simply the MEANS by which we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) - .

Let me help you.

To have the Holy Spirit, is to be born again.
So, you can get off the semantics horse, and quit beating it, as its already dead.

THe Holy Spirit, is not in pieces.... You dont get a part of Him now, and a part of Him later, and all of him, on occasion.
See, when you are born again you are born again by the Holy Spirit, and not by water..
"water regeneration"... "baptismal regeneration" is a lie.
So.... when you are born again, the ENTIRE HOLY SPIRIT< is now found in you, and you are found "in Christ".
 

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Congratulations, Marymog
Now you see what i told you. ??????????????????

Notice that the verse does not say...."BORN AGAIN OF WATER" .. in any bible except the corrupted Catholic version.

Its says Born of water... in all real bibles.

Do you understand the difference betweent "born again" vs "born"

See that phrase "BORN AGAIN"..........

Jesus did not say you must be BORN AGAIN by water,....He said you are born of water....... which is natural childbirth. and then you must be BORN AGAIN......
See that?

The water cults, changed the verse from born of water, to BORN AGAIN BY water. or BORN AGAIN OF water..

So, that is creating the LIE that you are BORN AGAIN =by water.
ONne corrupt bible has spawned the water cults, because it says "born again"= by water.
And that is a lie from hell.
We are not born again by water.........we are born again by GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.
You are such a dishonest person that I can't go on with you. I am going to correct you one more time and then I'm done with you. You should read all of the bible instead of the vs's that fit your theories:

John 3:7 NIV - You should not be surprised at my - Bible Gateway

John 3:7 KJV - Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye - Bible Gateway
 

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And you continue to LIE with impunity - even though God commands us NOT to (Exod. 20:16).

I have told you no less that TEN times now that it is not water that saves us and that water is simply the MEANS by which we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) - but YOU continue to perpetuate this lie.

As Peter wrote, wwe are saved THROUGH the water of Baptism (1 Pet. 3:21) - not BY it.
The reason you feel you need to keep lying is because you don't have a Scriptural leg to stand on . . .
Keep speaking the truth but some people at some point just need to be ignored.
 

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Earth to BOL, earth to BOL, come in, are you there?
Quite your ridiculous mysticism and study your Bible and wisdom (yes, the irony).
The flesh is at enmity with the Spirit.
What goes into the mouth, comes out the other end - what proceeds from the heart matters
The temporal does not attain to the eternal
Christ provides wisdom through God's gift of the Holy Spirit, not through his annihilated flesh

Earth to BOL, Earth to BOL, come in, can you hear me?
So, your entire point here is that when Jesus was resurrected - he retained the exact SAME corruptible body as before?
That He was NOT ressurected in His glorified state?
What hope, then, do YOU have for the Resurrection??

This is an essential doctrine of the christian faith.
The Bible speaks of the BODILY resurrection of the dead (1 Thess. 4:16-17).

1 Cor. 15:13–18
“If the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished”.

Yours is a heresy pof gargantuan proportions . . .