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  1. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    dint recall it coming down the mountain written in stone!
     
  2. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    As I've said so many times - your ignorance would be hilarious if iut wasn't so darn tragic.

    Now you have to provide the document declarig Constantine as "Pope" - as well as the document proclaiming the creation of the Catholic Church at the Council of Nicaea.

    Good luck with that . . .
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Well, it's possible that this is referring to "RCC" - whatever that is.
    However - it's definitely NOT referring to Christ's Catholic Church . . .
     
  4. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    evidence?
    Pope comes from the Italian for papa and father and is in scripture especially Isa 22 where the man receives the keys of authority is named “father”

    Now say call no man father? Ok

    Call no man father

    Typical fundamentalist misunderstandings!

    Matt 23:9
    Call no man Father?

    Is this an absolute requirement?
    Or is Our Savior condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

    God calls men father!

    Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

    Jesus calls men father!

    Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    Mary calls men father!

    Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

    The stephen calls men father!

    Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

    The Bible calls men father!

    Luke 16:24
    And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.



    Then there is spiritual fathers!

    Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

    Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

    1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

    1 John 2
    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

    That makes Peter, Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

    Is 22 the administrator of the kingdom is called father, so the same for Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
     
  5. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    list of Pope first 400 yrs
    You see Constantine anywhere? You sure your not jaybird? Or a jay bird?

    1. St Peter; martyr; 42-67

    2. St Linus, of Tuscia (Volterra?); martyr; 67-78

    3. St Anacletus I, of Rome; martyr; 78-90 (?)

    4. St Clement I, of the Roman Flavian gens; martyr; 90-99 (?)

    5. St Evaristus, of Greece (or of Bethlehem); martyr; 99-105 (?)

    6. St Alexander I, of Rome; martyr; 105-115 (?)

    7. St Sixtus I, of Rome; martyr; 115-125 (?)

    8. St Telesphorus, of Greece; martyr; 125-136 (?)

    9. St Iginus, of Greece; martyr; 136-140 (?)

    10. St Pius I, of Italy; martyr; 140-155 (?)

    11. St Anicetus, of Syria; martyr; 155-166 (?)

    12. St Soter, of Campania (Fundi?);martyr; 166-175 (?)

    13. St Eleutherus, of Epirus(Nicopolis?); martyr; 175-189

    14. St Victor I, of Africa; martyr; 189-199

    15. St Zephyrinus, of Rome; martyr; 199-217

    16. St Calixtus, of Rome; martyr; 217-222

    [Hippolytus, 217-235]

    17. St Urban I, of Rome; martyr; 222-230

    18. St Pontianus, of Rome; martyr; 21 July 230-28 Sept 235

    19. St Anterus, of Greece; martyr; 21 Nov 235-3 Jan 236

    20. St Fabian, of Rome; martyr; 10 Jan 236-20 Jan 250

    21. St Cornelius, of Rome; martyr; March 251-June 253

    [Novatian, 251-258]

    22. St Lucius I, of Rome; martyr; 25 June 253-5 March 254

    23. St Stephen I, of Rome; martyr; 12 May 254-2 Aug 257

    24. St Sixtus II, of Greece (?); martyr; 30 Aug 257-6 Aug 258

    25. St Dionysius, of Magna Graecia (?); martyr; 22 July 259-26 Dec 268

    26. St Felix I, of Rome; martyr; 5 Jan 269-30 Dec 274

    27. St Eutychianus, of Luni; martyr; 4 Jan 275-7 Dec 283

    28. St Gaius, of Dalmatia (Salona?); martyr; 17 Dec 283-22 April 296

    29. St Marcellinus, of Rome; martyr; 30 June 296-25 Oct 304

    30. St Marcellus I, of Rome; martyr; 27 May 308-16 Jan 309

    31. St Eusebius, of Greece; martyr; 18 April 309-17 Aug 309 or 310

    32. St Melchiades or Miltiades, of Africa; martyr; 2 July 311-11 Jan 314

    33. St Sylvester I, of Rome; 31 Jan 314-31 Dec 335

    34. St Mark, of Rome; 18 Jan 336-7 Oct 336

    35. St Julius I, of Rome; 6 Feb 337-12 April 352

    36. Liberius, of Rome; 17 May 352-22 Sept 366

    [St Felix II, 355-22 Nov 365]

    37. St Damasus I, of Spain; 1 Oct 366-11 Dec 384

    [Ursinus, 366-367]

    38. St Siricius, of Rome; 15 Dec 384-26 Nov 399

    39. St Anastasius I, of Rome; 27 Nov 399-19 Dec 401
     
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    No. I didn't say that. I said the falling away, the apostasy, had it's roots in teachings by such as Ignatius who placed the church as an institution to be of equal authority to the word of God... See here your quote...
    The beginning of heresy. The real apostasy was fully developed when the popes assumed civil authority over Rome. Then the persecutions began and the house became desolate.
     
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    No, no magic.
    Rather the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Every time the Eucharist is celebrated, Jesus is really, substantially present there, upon the altar,
    Offering Himself, for us, and to us..

    The Groom, giving Himself to His bride, and she receiving Him... The two made one flesh..

    And the fruit of that union? Every soul Baptised into Christ!!

    What keeps you from the Feast?

    Peace be with you!

    Christ is risen!
    Alleluia!
     
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    Ancient parchment works just dandy.
     
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    He was the Emperor of Rome, and combined Christianity, Judaism and paganism into one religion...the RCC.

    He is your Pope.

    Bow to Constantine.
     
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    The RCC(Roman Catholic Church) is going to be wiped out by God for the entire thousand year reign of Christ on earth.

    It will never host a human on it's soil as a memorial to her 1700 years of mass deception and wickedness on mankind.

    God will make an example out of this great whore in Rev 18.

    There will be a final call for Catholics to run from her before this wrath happens.....'come out of her my people and partake not of her plagues'.

    God's people are not the RCC's people.

    You better listen, fella, unless you are owned by the RCC.
     
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    Do you bow to the Pope of Rome?
     
  12. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Yes - "Pope Constantine" was @Truther's idiotic claim - not mine.
     
  13. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Yet, you don't have a molecule of evidence to support that idiotic claim - DO you, Einstein?
    Didn't think so . . ..
    Neither am I.
    Don't even know what "RCC" is . . .
     
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    Constantine took pure Christianity, added Jewish O.T. rituals, then pagan statues and prayers to them. They simply took the statue of Apollos and added "Paul" to it. Semeramis became the statue of "Mary" etc.

    Now they have millions of statues that speak and bleed etc.

    What a racket.
     
  15. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    That wasn't Ignatius's teaching - but GOD'S.
    Read and pay attention . . .

    Matt 16:18-19
    And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
    I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

    Matt. 18:18
    Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    John 16:12-15
    “I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
    But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
    He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
    Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

    John 20:21-23
    Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”

    2 Thess 2:15
    "Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

    Luke 10:16
    Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

    YOUR folly is that you erroneously believe that God's word is bound only by what is WRITTEN.
    The verses above show us that He speaks THROUGH His Church.
    And again - I refer you to the verses above and ask you to explain to me WHICH part of "WHATEVER you bind or loose" you fail to understand.
     
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    Can you show me the documented proof for this - that Constnatine did these things and was the first Pope of the Catholic Church?

    I'll wait right here for your answer . . .
     
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    And your folly is that you imagine your church as having authority above and beyond what scripture teaches. Authority over and above the word of God. Again as I said in another thread, replacing Christ with anything else, particularly authority, is the purest definition of Antichrist.
    As far as your quotes are concerned, they are only valid so long as you agree with scripture. Same as your do called traditions. Those traditions that Paul and the Apostles agreed with scripture.
     
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    I share these wise sentiments.
     
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    CB is not a debate forum or there would be some kind of structure required.
    HOW TO DEBATE
    Without order their is no debate. What we have is loosely moderated discussion, peppered with baseless insults. If a claim is proven false with scholarly evidence, the falsehood should be withdrawn.
     
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