Who founded your church?

[Truther]

Evidence???

It is noticeable in their system today.

I know, I was once an RCC'er.

 

[theefaith]

It is noticeable in their system today.

I know, I was once an RCC'er.

That documentation???

and not only do you have no historical evidence you have no scriptural evidence

 

[theefaith]

So we’re back to the one true church founded by Christ on Peter

 

[Truther]

That documentation???

and not only do you have no historical evidence you have no scriptural evidence

Using the same vocabulary of reclamation, Constantine acquired several more sites of Christian significance in the Holy Land for the purpose of constructing churches. Most of these sites had been "polluted" by pagan shrines and needed "desacrilization" or deconsecration before they could be used.[41]:39,40 (The practice of "cleansing" a sacred site of its previous spiritual influences was not limited to Christians.) According to Bayliss, the historical writings of Prudentius indicate the deconsecration of a temple merely required the removal of the cult statue and altar.[41]:39,40 However, this was often extended to the removal or even destruction of other statues and icons, votive stelae and all other internal imagery and decoration. Such objects were not always destroyed, some were desacralized or "cleansed" by having crosses chiseled onto them and perhaps a rite performed over them.



Religious policies of Constantine the Great - Wikipedia

 

[theefaith]

Using the same vocabulary of reclamation, Constantine acquired several more sites of Christian significance in the Holy Land for the purpose of constructing churches. Most of these sites had been "polluted" by pagan shrines and needed "desacrilization" or deconsecration before they could be used.[41]:39,40 (The practice of "cleansing" a sacred site of its previous spiritual influences was not limited to Christians.) According to Bayliss, the historical writings of Prudentius indicate the deconsecration of a temple merely required the removal of the cult statue and altar.[41]:39,40 However, this was often extended to the removal or even destruction of other statues and icons, votive stelae and all other internal imagery and decoration. Such objects were not always destroyed, some were desacralized or "cleansed" by having crosses chiseled onto them and perhaps a rite performed over them.



Religious policies of Constantine the Great - Wikipedia

so Constantine was pope cos of sacred images in Catholic Churches?

 

[Truther]

So we’re back to the one true church founded by Christ on Peter

....as he preached Acts 2:38 in his foundational message, which the RCC disagrees with.

 

[Truther]

so Constantine was pope cos of sacred images in Catholic Churches?

Yes. He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC.

 

[theefaith]

....as he preached Acts 2:38 in his foundational message, which the RCC disagrees with.

we good with baptism obeying Matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

Yes. He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC.

sacred images are not pagan and not forbidden
Approved by the holy apostles in the 2nd council of nicea

 

[theefaith]

Against the heretical iconoclast

 

[Illuminator]

Yes. He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC.

Using the same vocabulary of reclamation, Constantine acquired several more sites of Christian significance in the Holy Land for the purpose of constructing churches. Most of these sites had been "polluted" by pagan shrines and needed "desacrilization" or deconsecration before they could be used.[41]:39,40 (The practice of "cleansing" a sacred site of its previous spiritual influences was not limited to Christians.) According to Bayliss, the historical writings of Prudentius indicate the deconsecration of a temple merely required the removal of the cult statue and altar.[41]:39,40 However, this was often extended to the removal or even destruction of other statues and icons, votive stelae and all other internal imagery and decoration. Such objects were not always destroyed, some were desacralized or "cleansed" by having crosses chiseled onto them and perhaps a rite performed over them.
Religious policies of Constantine the Great - Wikipedia

Yes. He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC.

What a stupid statement. Your wiki link doesn't prove this. Try reading it. A pagan "RCC" ratified all the books of the Bible in the 4th century??? Seriously??? If what you say is true then the Bible is a pagan book! "He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC" is a hateful lie supported by the JW's, the Mormons, the SDA, and ignorant fundamentalists. Reputable Protestant historians stopped teaching this lunacy because it doesn't withstand scholarly scrutiny.
13 LOGICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE CONSTANTINE FOUNDER MYTH

Myth: Constantine started the Catholic Church | (catholicbryan.org)

Is Catholicism Pagan? | Catholic Answers

This destroys your historical revisionism, a nice way of saying LIES. Baptist mythology is an embarrassment to Baptists.

 

[Truther]

we good with baptism obeying Matt 28:19

Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19, which you reject.

Peter is not your founding church father.

Constantine is.

 

[Truther]

sacred images are not pagan and not forbidden
Approved by the holy apostles in the 2nd council of nicea

LOL

 

[Truther]

What a stupid statement. Your wiki link doesn't prove this. Try reading it. A pagan "RCC" ratified all the books of the Bible in the 4th century??? Seriously??? If what you say is true then the Bible is a pagan book! "He turned Pagan Rome into the Pagan RCC" is a hateful lie supported by the JW's, the Mormons, the SDA, and ignorant fundamentalists. Reputable Protestant historians stopped teaching this lunacy because it doesn't withstand scholarly scrutiny.
13 LOGICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE CONSTANTINE FOUNDER MYTH

Myth: Constantine started the Catholic Church | (catholicbryan.org)

Is Catholicism Pagan? | Catholic Answers

This destroys your historical revisionism, a nice way of saying LIES. Baptist mythology is an embarrassment to Baptists.

Per the link, your founder Constantine got the unity of the pagans, Jews and Christians into harmony.

He did not just allow freedom of religion, but they must get together and become a UNIVERSAL religion.

There is much history of this RCC beginning, which after the 4th century, took off like a rocket.

 

[theefaith]

Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19, which you reject.

Peter is not your founding church father.

Constantine is.

Only Christ has authority to found the church

 

[Truther]

Only Christ has authority to found the church

Amen.

He gave Peter the keys in Matt 16 to open the door for the Jew first at Acts 2:38, the Samaritans at Acts 8 and the Gentiles at Acts 10.

Having the keys made him "the man".

 

[theefaith]

Amen.

He gave Peter the keys in Matt 16 to open the door for the Jew first at Acts 2:38, the Samaritans at Acts 8 and the Gentiles at Acts 10.

Having the keys made him "the man".

there’s three kingdoms of heaven?

or I give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven

 

[Brakelite]

The Church has never pretended that its Authority reaches "over and above" Scripture.
It is in harmony with it.

As I showed you in my last post - the Authority given Christ's Church is GOD-given - and it is supreme earthly Authority.
"WHATEVER" His Church declares held bound or loosed on earth is held bound or loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, John 20:21-23). NOT because the Church says so but because it is guided by the Holy Spirit to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15). It is the Holy Spirit making these declarations through His Church - not men acting on their own.

If there have been sinful men in the history of the Church - that's on THEM - not the Holy Spirit.
And EVERY group has them - including yours . . .

Mmmm. Are you familiar with how the council of Trent was concluded and the sermon by the bishop Reggio? The conclusions thereof destroy your defense.

 

[Truther]

there’s three kingdoms of heaven?

or I give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven

The latter is correct.

 

[theefaith]

Mmmm. Are you familiar with how the council of Trent was concluded and the sermon by the bishop Reggio? The conclusions thereof destroy your defense.

tell us about it!