Who founded your church?

[BreadOfLife]

That is exactly what i have told you at least 25 times that the verse says, in that demonic version.
It says..>"BORN AGAIN .... BY = water".

THats the LIE.
All other bibles say.>"born of water".....NOT "BORN AGAIN"......OF OR BY...WATER.

We are not BORN AGAIN, by water.
We are born again, by the Holy Spirit.

THE DRB is the Devil's bible. It denies that the Holy Spirit causes the new birth, and claims in your verse, you just posted that we are BORN AGAIN BY WATER.

WE are not.

WRONG.
This is what the Douay-Rheims Version says:

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again OF water AND the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Your blatant lies are pathetic.
Consider yoursaelf exposed for lying - and Scripturally-SPANKED . . .

 

[Brakelite]

tell us about it!

Care to elaborate on that - or do you want me to just accept your claims?

Our discussion is centered on the authority of the church and how far it extends. We all know what your church has claimed in the past... Civil/secular and spiritual authority over the whole earth. Right? It's not difficult to bring up quotes to support that as you would both know. The scriptures are disputed territory. While the church attempts to convince everyone that the scriptures are the source of all doctrine, you would admit that tradition is also elevated to a place alongside scripture, with Divine being derived from both. In this I believe you would agree. However. I suggest this is wrong. And the bishop of Rheggio Gaspari de Fosso brought the council of Trent to a conclusive climax with the following speech, which put paid to the Lutheran objections to papal authority and tradition.

Such is the condition of the heretics of this age that on nothing do they rely more than that, under the pretense of the word of God, they overthrow the authority of the church; as though the church, His body, could be opposed to the word of Christ, or the head to the body. On the contrary, the authority of the church, then, is illustrated most clearly by the Scriptures; for while on the one hand she recommends them, declares them to be divine, [col. 530] offers them to us to be read, in doubtful matters explains them faithfully, and condemns whatever is contrary to them; on the other hand, the legal precepts in the Scriptures taught by the Lord have ceased by virtue of the same authority. The Sabbath, the most glorious day in the law, has been changed into the Lord’s day. Circumcision, enjoined upon Abraham and his seed under such threatening that he who had not been circumcised would be destroyed from among his people, has been so abrogated that the apostle asserts: "If ye be circumcised, ye have fallen from grace, and Christ shall profit you nothing." These and other similar matters have not ceased by virtue of Christ’s teaching (for He says He has come to fulfill the law, not to destroy it), but they have been changed by the authority of the church. Indeed, if she should be removed (since there must be heresies), who would set forth truth, and confound the obstinacy of heretics? All things will be confused, and soon heresies condemned by her authority will spring up again.

In other words. According to the Catholic Church tradition has the upper hand over scripture if the church deems it appropriate. As the church result admits, there is no foundation whatsoever for Sunday Sacredness in scripture, therefore the Sunday tradition is purely and solely established by church authority which in this case particularly overrides even the very Commandment of God. Sadly, Protestants cannot object because they observe the day and this submit to the same authority that established it. Rome.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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Yet that didnt happen to Peter or the 120 or Abraham, or Me, or the dying thief.

Peter received the "gift of the Holy" Spirit, and was not water baptized in that CHAPTER.
SEE, you have a problem with your understanding of the words of Peter, because you are only programmed to think about WATER by a water cult.

Let me help you.

Carefully read this word......>"REPENT">.

Notice it comes before being H20 baptized....in that verse you posted again.

So, Repent of what?

Repent of what Breadoflife?......

This is the part the water cult teachers like you, can't SEE or understand.

To understand the "Repent of what", you have to read the verses that came before :38. to get the context. And if you had done that, you would not be here again posting a false pretext, AGAIN, and AGAIN.

You have to read verses 35, 36, 37, as in those verses you find out what they are to REPENT OF.......

And what is that?

A.) REJECTING THEIR MESSIAH. verses 35-37.

So, once Peter shows them this, they say..>"what must we do"..


He then tells them verse 38.......""REPENT""..............

What is that? REPENT OF WHAT, breadoflife?
That means to repent of their CHRIST REJECTiON.....and that is what Repentance always is, as we always turn from UNBELIEF, TO......BELIEF in Christ.
= From Christ Rejection TO FAITH IN CHRIST = "Repent"...in the verse you posted.

WE all have to REPENT of our UNBELIEF, and then start BELIEVING, as that is FAITH born in the heart that GOD accepts, to Justify you.
"Justification by Faith".
"Justification by Faith"
"Justification BY....=FAITH".

So, When these Jews Repented of their CHRIST REJECTION, by believing in CHRIST, then they were allowed to be water baptized, because they had become born again.

Here is more for you, Breadoflife.....

Acts 8
This is the same you find when Phillip told the Eunuch....>"if you BELIEVE with all your HEART".......>you may be water baptized.

See it?

That is Repenting of unbelief, and turning to FAITH IN CHRIST...which is what Peter is telling them to do, after they asked him......""""what shall we do""""......as he had just told them, they murdered their Messiah, in the verses that precede vs 38.

REPENT OF THIS UNBELIEF, = TURN TO FAITH IN CHRIST.......AND you are born again, and THEN you can be water baptized.

You Believe in Christ, and are born again by God's Holy Spirit, and then, you can be baptized in water, which is symbolic.

ALL sin is rebellion agianst God - and IS, therefore a rejection of Christ.

As for those examples in Scripture who received the Holy Spirit PRIOR to Baptism - I already warned you never to base your doctrines on the exception. They must be based on the NORMATIVE teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

That's why Peter tells the crowd to repent and be Baptized for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is ALSO why we see the following scenario involving Paul:

Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism."
And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve of them in all.

Paul asked them WHY they didn't receive the Holy Spirit when they believed and were Baptized with John's baptism.
THEN, He Baptized them in Christ - and they received the Holy Spirit AFTER he laid hands on them.

Remember - the norm - NOT the few exceptions . . .

 

[Truther]

ALL sin is rebellion agianst God - and IS, therefore a rejection of Christ.

As for those examples in Scripture who received the Holy Spirit PRIOR to Baptism - I already warned you never to base your doctrines on the exception. They must be based on the NORMATIVE teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

That's why Peter tells the crowd to repent and be Baptized for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is ALSO why we see the following scenario involving Paul:

Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism."
And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve of them in all.

Paul asked them WHY they didn't receive the Holy Spirit when they believed and were Baptized with John's baptism.
THEN, He Baptized them in Christ - and they received the Holy Spirit AFTER he laid hands on them.

Remember - the norm - NOT the few exceptions . . .

Were those disciples of John that were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ newborn babies?

If not, why does the RCC baptize newborn babies that have no ability to fit the description of anyone that was baptized in Acts?

 

[Behold]

That's NOT what the Bible says, my dishonest friend.
THIS is what Peter told the crowd:

Acts 2:39
“Repent and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, AND YOU WILL RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit.The WILL receive forgiveness and the gift of the Holy Spirit AFTER they are Baptized.
That is the very definition of being Born Again . . .

Breadoflife....You are again teaching Jehovah's Witness theology.
Let me show you again..
This is JW theology, that you are teaching as typical water cult theology.

"""Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God"

See that? Thats JW doctrine of water saves, or that water is necessary before God will save you.

So, what you need to do, is open a real NT, and not the doctrine of devil's DRB.
And you need to find out what is """"PAUL's Gospel.""""
You need to find out what this is, so that you can have the correct "time of the Gentiles" understanding of the Gospel of the Grace of God, and once you discover this, you'll understand why Paul told you that he was "not sent to Water Baptize".

Now, let me address this nonsense you just provided the members here again as your water cult JW theology.

You, like all who trained by water cult groups are obsessed with WATER instead of being obsessed with the Cross and the Blood Atonement. This is always typical of people like you who are talking and teaching AROUND The Grace of God and AROUND the Blood of Jesus and omitting "justification by faith',. And this is because all water cult theology tries to deny Justification by faith, and replace it with water and works.

Now, you say that its absolutely necessary for water to be a part of God's atonement, or He wont save you.
Yet, I was saved without water. The Dying Thief was saved without water, and Paul and the 120 in the upper room, before he Preached in Act 2, received the Holy Spirit.

Also, What if a person is in prison cell? What if a person is in a hospital dying? What if a person is not around any water.., and they believe on Jesus.
You say.>"well those are exceptions".
And i say you are full of water, and you can't play both sides of this error by demanding that God use water, while offering "exceptions".
So, as they say in the South of the USA...."that dog wont hunt", fella.
So all of those, according to your water cult JW theology, can't be saved according to the madness and error that is the water cult doctrine of devils.

So, you think about those people, in the context of the ridiculous JW theology you are chanting about here, while you find out what 'Paul's Gospel" is all about.

 

[Behold]

ALL sin is rebellion agianst God - and IS, therefore a rejection of Christ.

As for those examples in Scripture who received the Holy Spirit PRIOR to Baptism - I already warned you never to base your doctrines on the exception. .

The entire 3000 that were born again in Acts 2, are the "exceptions" to your water cult JW Theology.

These 3000 JEWS were the ones who were told by Peter that they had murdered their Messiah, and they asked Him what to do about that..."what shall we do".
Just read Acts 2:34-37.
So, Peter told them, what i showed you yesterday....those verses.... that you are now trying to hide under the water cult.

Thats not going to work.
Not today, not tomorrow, and not ever.
Tho you will continue to try it, because you have nothing else to offer but Water, Water, and more H20.

Listen....
Peter told them....You have to REPENT of your UNBELIEF,....as it was your unbelief that caused you to KILL YOUR MESSIAH.

SO, he told them to REPENT of that unbelief.......and they did., all 3000.
So, to turn from unbelief to FAITH, is to REPENT.
ANd once those 3000 Jews did that, then FAITH is come to their heart, and God accepts faith to Justify, and then apply the Blood of Jesus as the Atonement for all sin.= BORN AGAIN.
No water necessary.

After the 3000 REPENTED of their UNBELIEF and found FAITH in Christ, then they were allowed into the Water, as their symbolic witness.
Water follows salvation.. It never causes it, nor is it necessary for salvation.

THe same thing happened again and again in the ACTS of the Apostles, where you find...."they BELIEVED", which is to REPENT OF UNBELIEF< and then they are allowed to be water baptized as the symbolic witness.

For example.....Phillip in Acts 8 told the Black Eunuch...>"if you have BELIEVED with all your heart.....= Salvation.......then you may be water baptized.

So...That's the reality of God accepting faith to impute righteousness, or "Abraham BELIEVED GOD< and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS".

No water need apply.
No water found.
No water cult theology necessary or accepted.

 

[Behold]

They were already born again and asked Peter "what shall we do"?


C....Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins...".

Pick one.

Lets pick "rightly dividing", the word of God.
Lets pick getting our doctrine correct so that we are not teaching against the Cross in Public.
Want to try that?
Lets choose that one, Truther..... so that you are not found on a christian forum, teaching JW water cult theology.

Here is JW Water Cult THeology... """Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God.""""""
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Peter said.......REPENT........

And that is not like OLD TESTAMENT repentance.....and you have to SEE THIS, before you can begin to understand the NT, where it explains "The Gospel of Grace.""

In the OT, you repented of sin., and John the Baptist, dunked you.
You had a Priest offering a sacrifice of a living animal.
ALL before the CROSS, you had that stuff going on in OLD TESTAMENT, in progress, even tho Jesus was finally here.
God was about to MAKE A CHANGE..
So, his disciples were dunking according to the Jewish OT custom of repenting from sin.
We dont do that now.

Now you have the Cross, and the Blood of Jesus and a New Testament and a NEW Covenant...
You are now in the NEW COVENANT "TIME OF THE GENTILES'" and this is different, as now you are repenting from UNBELIEF.
THat's how you REPENT in Acts 2, and also in '2122, should Jesus tarry.
Read Acts 2:34-37......and notices what Peter is preaching....."you have killed your messiah"....and the Jews said...."what shall we do".
See that?
Those 3000 are not repenting of sin.... they are repenting from UNBELIEF that "killed their messiah".
Understand?

So, when those 3000 Jews repented of their unbelief, then God accepted their faith in Christ to give them the new birth, = born again.
Following that, they were put in the water.

If you read Acts 8. You see the same again, explained better.
If you study all the ACTS of the Apostles, you find this over and over.
"they BELIEVED" .....and then they were dunked.
To believe is to turn from UNBELIEF to CHRIST by FAITH = New Testament REPENTANCE.
= Phillip and the Eunuch.......Phillip tells the Eunuch, .."if you have BELIEVED with all your HEART"........= you can now get in the water.

See that? THat is REPENTING in Acts 2.
And that repenting is to turn from unbelief to faith in Christ, and once you do that, you have REPENTED of your unbelief, and just like the 3000 God accepts this Faith, and gives you the new birth.....and then you can go get dunked.

 

[Truther]

Lets pick "rightly dividing", the word of God.
Lets pick getting our doctrine correct so that we are not teaching against the Cross in Public.
Want to try that?
Lets choose that one, Truther..... so that you are not found on a christian forum, teaching JW water cult theology.

Here is JW Water Cult THeology... """Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God.""""""
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Peter said.......REPENT........

And that is not like OLD TESTAMENT repentance.....and you have to SEE THIS, before you can begin to understand the NT, where it explains "The Gospel of Grace.""

In the OT, you repented of sin., and John the Baptist, dunked you.
You had a Priest offering a sacrifice of a living animal.
ALL before the CROSS, you had that stuff going on in OLD TESTAMENT, in progress, even tho Jesus was finally here.
God was about to MAKE A CHANGE..
So, his disciples were dunking according to the Jewish OT custom of repenting from sin.
We dont do that now.

Now you have the Cross, and the Blood of Jesus and a New Testament and a NEW Covenant...
You are now in the NEW COVENANT "TIME OF THE GENTILES'" and this is different, as now you are repenting from UNBELIEF.
THat's how you REPENT in Acts 2, and also in '2122, should Jesus tarry.
Read Acts 2:34-37......and notices what Peter is preaching....."you have killed your messiah"....and the Jews said...."what shall we do".
See that?
Those 3000 are not repenting of sin.... they are repenting from UNBELIEF that "killed their messiah".
Understand?

So, when those 3000 Jews repented of their unbelief, then God accepted their faith in Christ to give them the new birth, = born again.
Following that, they were put in the water.

If you read Acts 8. You see the same again, explained better.
If you study all the ACTS of the Apostles, you find this over and over.
"they BELIEVED" .....and then they were dunked.
To believe is to turn from UNBELIEF to CHRIST by FAITH = New Testament REPENTANCE.
= Phillip and the Eunuch.......Phillip tells the Eunuch, .."if you have BELIEVED with all your HEART"........= you can now get in the water.

See that? THat is REPENTING in Acts 2.
And that repenting is to turn from unbelief to faith in Christ, and once you do that, you have REPENTED of your unbelief, and just like the 3000 God accepts this Faith, and gives you the new birth.....and then you can go get dunked.

Wow.

The JW's are more right than you per baptism? Unfortunately they don't say "in the name of Jesus Christ", like you guys don't say either.

You need to get baptized per Acts 2:38.

Howbout you come to a fair in our town, and a bunch of us will shout "in the name of Jesus Christ", as we hit the dunk tank target and you drop.

Since baptism is a "dunking' to you....

 

[Behold]

WRONG.
This is what the Douay-Rheims Version says:

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again OF water

You are not BORN AGAIN "of or by water".

You are "born of water", through your mother's womb, and you are later BORN AGAIN by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

You are not BORN AGAIN "of or by water".

You are "born of water", through your mother's womb, and you are later BORN AGAIN by the Holy Spirit.

Are mothers are half of our born again experience?

She PUSHED me into Pentecost?

Thanks mom!


5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of MOM'S water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Behold]

so baptism and the church and the sacraments are meaningless

They are meaningless with regards to being born again.

THe Church can't save you.
The cookie and the juice can't save you.
And water baptism can't save you.

 

[Behold]

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of MOM'S water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That's basically correct., tho you should have written, "born AGAIN, of the Spirit".

See, you have to be born, to be later born again.
its really not that difficult to understand, unless a water cult has you mind controlled with doctrines of devil's.

 

[Truther]

That's basically correct., tho you should have written, "born AGAIN, of the Spirit".

See, you have to be born, to be later born again.
its really not that difficult to understand, unless a water cult has you mind controlled with doctrines of devil's.

Thank you mom for being 50% involved in my born again experience.

LOL

 

[Behold]

ALL sin is rebellion agianst God - and IS, therefore a rejection of Christ.
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Listen water cult theology..., you are talking through your hat, again.
You are just talking to talk..

Look at what you said...... how ridiculous it is, again.

"all sin is rejection of Christ"..

Oh really?
Well, not according to the entire Old Testament, when Christ was not born yet, and their were sinners.
Not according to all history prior to Christ's birth.
So, how could anyone in the OT reject Christ, when Christ was not yet born?
How could anyone in the entire history of the world, prior to Jesus being born, reject Him?

So, as i said, you like to hear yourself talk, and thats not a reason to keep misleading people on a Christian Forum with Jehovah's Witness theology, that is a doctrine of devil's as found in the devil's bible. (The other one)... There are 2.

1. The Satanic Bible
2. The Douay Rhemis

Here again is JW Theology, that you teach, Breadoflife

"""""Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God"

 

[Behold]

Thank you mom for being 50% involved in my born again experience.

LOL

Can you be born again, if you are not born first?
What is "LOL"< is that you can't understand this.....

 

[Behold]

Wow.

The JW's are more right than you per baptism? .

The JW's believe and teach that water saves you, same as any demonic water cult and their doctirnes of devil's bible.
And the JW's teach that Jesus was not resurrected in a literal body, that his resurrection was only in the "Spirit".

They take "holy Ghost" to mean, Jesus as having no physical body.

So, when they read that Jesus said to the Apostles.....I'll paraphrase....>"am I a spirit??.......how can a spirit have flesh and bone, as i have?
Notice ....= Christ was careful not to tell the Apostles "flesh and BLOOD and bone"...as He has no blood, as it was SHED for the Salvation of the world.
Spirit bodies that we the born again will receive, have no blood in them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Were those disciples of John that were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ newborn babies?
If not, why does the RCC baptize newborn babies that have no ability to fit the description of anyone that was baptized in Acts?

Becaue Baptism in Christ is how a person enters into the family of God - and the New Covenant.

If you knew your Bible - which you obviously don't - you would know that babies entered the Covenant and the People of God through circumcision in the OT.

STUDY your Bible Einstein . . .

 

[Renniks]

Wow.

The JW's are more right than you per baptism? Unfortunately they don't say "in the name of Jesus Christ", like you guys don't say either.

You need to get baptized per Acts 2:38.

Howbout you come to a fair in our town, and a bunch of us will shout "in the name of Jesus Christ", as we hit the dunk tank target and you drop.

Since baptism is a "dunking' to you....

122 pages and you are still insisting on trusting in H20 and words instead of trusting in the blood of Christ to save you. There's not magic water, there are no magic words that can regenerate the human soul. That can only be done by an act of God through the blood of Jesus shed for your sins.


“For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.” (Romans 2:28, 29)
Thus circumcision—and by implication all religious rites, being outward and physical as well—have nothing to do with salvation. Conversion involves an inward heart change, effected by the Holy Spirit.

“Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.” (Rom. 4:9, 10)

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” (Hebrews 10:4)

And it's also impossible for communion to save you:

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper and said to the disciples “This is My body,” He was still standing right there in front of them. How (we ask) could His human body which was a real, finite, flesh, blood and bones body be in two separate places at the same time? Keep in mind that Romanists are not saying that the host is part of the Savior but that “Christ is whole and entire under each species.” Obviously, our Lord’s reference to His body and blood was symbolic. Examples of Christ using figurative and symbolic speech are numerous: He referred to Himself as a door (Jn. 10:4), a temple (Jn. 2:19), a vine (Jn. 15:5), a shepherd (Jn. 10:4), and bread (Jn. 6:35). He referred to the Holy Spirit as water (Jn. 4:14). When He instituted the Lord’s supper he called the cup the new covenant (1 Cor. 11:25)

Water baptism doesn’t save

“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” (1 Peter 3:21)

Peter, so no one misunderstands him, is clarifying that water baptism plays no role in salvation.

The fact is that water baptism is symbolic. On one of the things water baptism symbolizes, Robert L. Reymond writes:

“ecause the very name of the ordinance is what it is, namely, baptism, it obviously symbolizes the spiritual work given that name in Holy Scripture, namely, Christ’s work of baptizing his people with the Holy Spirit (see Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 2:33; 1 Cor. 12:13), which work unites them to himself and to the other persons of the Godhead in their saving labors of regenerating, purifying, justifying, and cleansing” (Reymond, Systematic Theology, 926).

Can that which signifies salvation (water baptism), be salvation (Holy Spirit baptism)? This is logically impossible. For if water baptism was salvation, then it wouldn’t signify salvation. And, if water baptism saved, there would be no need for the baptism of the Holy Spirit (God) to save; do we really want to say that water, and not God, saves?

John 7:37-39

“On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, ‘If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, “Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”’ Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Water Baptism is a Work

“Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?” (Gal. 3:2b-3)

The Bible considers water baptism a work on the part of the baptizer:


And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” (Acts 8:38)

“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” (Acts 10:47)

“I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,” (1 Corinthians 1:14)

Now we must ask ourselves what kind of baptism does Christ perform—water or Spirit baptism? In Mark 1:8, John the Baptist contrasts the water baptism man (in this case himself) administers with the Holy Spirit baptism that Christ administers: “I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Titus 3:5: “he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,” (Titus 3:5).

Salvation is a work of God alone, and not a work of man; and since water baptism is a work of man—whether on the part on the one being baptized, or the one administering the baptism—water baptism cannot have anything to do with salvation.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

The Bible considers faith and water baptism two distinct things.
This distinction is seen in Acts 18:8c, where “many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized."
Believing saves, as already shown, so baptism isn't salvation.

This distinction is seen in Acts 18:8c, where “many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.”

Saving faith in the New Covenant era is the same as the saving faith in the Older Testament, a saving faith which has nothing to do with religious rites.


“1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

“9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.”

This passage tells us that no work plays a role in saving faith.

 

[theefaith]

WRONG.
This is what the Douay-Rheims Version says:

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again OF water AND the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Your blatant lies are pathetic.
Consider yoursaelf exposed for lying - and Scripturally-SPANKED . . .

of and by mean the same
It is the complete ritual that makes one born again or born of God

intention: to baptize as initiation into the new covenant church
The water: matter
The words: form in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy
Spirit

all parts are necessary for the ritual
To be born again
Born from above
Born of God

 

[theefaith]

Becaue Baptism in Christ is how a person enters into the family of God - and the New Covenant.

If you knew your Bible - which you obviously don't - you would know that babies entered the Covenant and the People of God through circumcision in the OT.

STUDY your Bible Einstein . . .

acts say this promise (sacred oath which is the meaning of sacrament) is to your CHILDREN! Acts 2:38-39