Who founded your church?

[DNB]

you are free to start your own thread and share your faith

You selfishly keep bumping everyone who has done so, off the current page.

 

[theefaith]

Have you trouble-checked today yet? No? Well, then, let's trouble-check--Golleee!

goober can sew up his fingers
Judy Judy Judy I cant do it
Homer got such a talented cousin

 

[mjrhealth]

that scripture refers to redemption not salvation, and Christ redeemed all men

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ!
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Mk 16:16 acts 2:38 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Yes Christ what has He to do with your religion.

 

[mjrhealth]

Makes you wonder why the MODs are so silent on this matter.

 

[Enoch111]

Is there not a policy that limits one person in inundating the forums with their OPs (eg: 1 OP per week), and disallows them to repeat threads over and over again?

This sounds like a very reasonable proposal. I trust the mods are going to see it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Who founded our church . well that is easy . JESUS DID . HE being the very cornerstone of the entire temple .
And any man who teaches contrary to ANY of His teachings or the teachings of those apostles , YEAH they are dangerous .

 

[amigo de christo]

@Heart2Soul @lforrest @rockytopva @Angelina
Mods, this guy 'theefaith' has monopolized these forums with his narrow-minded and incessant Catholic propaganda.
I don't mind controversy, or one defending their faith on any level, but I can't seem to find a thread that this guy hasn't started. And, irrespective of how he tries to title the OP in a unique manner, it invariably has a Catholic spin to it. Meaning, it's the same topic every time.

I've been trying to avoid him due to what I believe to be his non-negotiable stance, and unwillingness to acknowledge other people's comments with the same consideration he expects from others (judging by his abundance of threads), but, I can't, he's started almost every singly thread on the first page of the currently active threads.

Is there not a policy that limits one person in inundating the forums with their OPs (eg: 1 OP per week), and disallows them to repeat threads over and over again?
Again, I'm having a hard time just trying to avoid him?

By looking at that list i would say THEE FAITH , has long forgotten this , IF ANY comes preaching any other gosple or any other jesus
OOOPSY thems false . ROME is bad news , as are many on that list . WE better know the biblial JESUS and learn Him well .
Loving every word HE said , being hearers and doers , and loving what those Holy Spirit filled apostels wrote for us to learn .
cause many are following another jesus . And that would include joseph smith , rome and many . THUS they are not in the fold .
We must teach them all sound doctrine and get folks back into bibles and very fast too . cause this generation is in dire trouble .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who founded our church . well that is easy . JESUS DID . HE being the very cornerstone of the entire temple .
And any man who teaches contrary to ANY of His teachings or the teachings of those apostles , YEAH they are dangerous .

Jesus founded His Church 2000 years ago. St. Ignatius, 1st century Bishop of Antioch and student of the Apostle John, referred this this ONE Church as "The Catholic Church" in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans at the beginning of the 2nd century.
MEN founded all of the Protestant splinter sects in the 16th century and beyond.

That's just a fact of history . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

and get folks back into bibles and very fast too

Into Christ, thats where men need be,

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Problem is, He is consistently bypassed and left out.

 

[rockytopva]

One night after revival in my teenage years I felt a voice say 'put the book down' while laying in bed I am like what? The voice said again 'put the book down.' When I finally put the book down the Spirit of God began to question me 'Where is all that hate, strife, and bad feelings?'

I am like... Oh my Gosh... The Holy Spirit is speaking to me too! So brothers and sisters, I am not testifying of the Lord God almighty because of reason... But because he came into my heart and communed with me. Because the conversion was genuine I have no desire but to finish my years Christian, thankful I received it in the old Philadelphian way. I have also took great delight in that teaching, even reading the complete John Bunyan (who I consider Philadelphian) library at the Va Tech library. John Wesley in a letter once wrote...

LONDON
September 20, 1788


My Dear Brother:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.

But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians (and Catholics) do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky (Francis Asbury), I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,

John Wesley

Along with John Wesley I take pleasure in that, “Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content!”

 

[Brakelite]

Then, perhaps YOU can furhish us with the official document from the Roman Empire that gave birth th the Catholic Church?
Yeah - that's what I thought . . .

Justinian's Code laid the legal and prophetic
foundation for the rise of the Papacy.
AD March 533: Justinian's letter to John reads:
"Justinian: victor, pius, fortunate, ever Augustus, to John, the most holy Archbishop and patriarch of the noble city of Rome. Paying honor to the Apostolic See and to Your Holiness, as always has been and is our desire, and honoring your Blessedness as a father, we hasten to bring to the knowledge of Your Holiness all that pertains to the condition of the churches , since it has always been our great aim to safeguard the unity of your Apostolic See and the position of the holy churches of God which now prevails and abides securely without any disturbing trouble. Therefore we have been sedulous to subject and unite all the priests of the Orient throughout its whole extent to the See of Your Holiness. Whatever questions happen to be mooted at present , we have thought necessary to be brought to Your Holiness' knowledge, however clear and unquestionable they might be, and though firmly held and taught by all the clergy in accordance with the doctrine of Your Apostolic See; for we do not suffer that anything which is moored to Your Holiness, however clear and unquestionable, pertaining to the state of the churches, should fail to be known to Your Holiness, as being the head of all the churches. For as we have said before, we are zealous for the increase of the honor and authority of your See in all respects."

Justinian's Code in the edicts of the "Novellae;" in the preamble of the ninth it states:
"that the elder Rome was the founder of the laws; so was it not to be questioned that in her was the supremacy of the pontificate." In the 131st; chap. II, on the ecclesiastical titles and privileges it states: "We therefore decree that the most holy Pope of the elder Rome is the first of all the priesthood, and that the most blessed Archbishop of Constantinople, the new Rome, shall hold the second rank after the holy Apostolic chair of the elder Rome."
Pagan Rome, not the Apostles not Christ, laid the legal political and prophetic foundation for the establishment of the Papacy. 533ad was the date of the legal granting of civil and religious power to the bishop of Rome.
There is a twist to all this however, because Rome at that time was under an occupying power, and enemies to the Byzantine emperor, it was necessary that the city be liberated before the pontiff could exercise his new found authority. Legal authority is issues unless it could be put into effect right? This is where prophecy comes to the fore. This took place in 538ad when Bellisarius defeated the Goths and that Arian kingdom could no longer exercise power over the bishop, for until that time the Gothic king Theodosius had the final say on appointing bishops. So you can mark 538ad on your prophetic calendar.

 

[Renniks]

If your church is a particular denomination, instead of the entire body of true believers, you belong to the wrong church..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Justinian's Code laid the legal and prophetic
foundation for the rise of the Papacy.
AD March 533: Justinian's letter to John reads:
"Justinian: victor, pius, fortunate, ever Augustus, to John, the most holy Archbishop and patriarch of the noble city of Rome. Paying honor to the Apostolic See and to Your Holiness, as always has been and is our desire, and honoring your Blessedness as a father, we hasten to bring to the knowledge of Your Holiness all that pertains to the condition of the churches , since it has always been our great aim to safeguard the unity of your Apostolic See and the position of the holy churches of God which now prevails and abides securely without any disturbing trouble. Therefore we have been sedulous to subject and unite all the priests of the Orient throughout its whole extent to the See of Your Holiness. Whatever questions happen to be mooted at present , we have thought necessary to be brought to Your Holiness' knowledge, however clear and unquestionable they might be, and though firmly held and taught by all the clergy in accordance with the doctrine of Your Apostolic See; for we do not suffer that anything which is moored to Your Holiness, however clear and unquestionable, pertaining to the state of the churches, should fail to be known to Your Holiness, as being the head of all the churches. For as we have said before, we are zealous for the increase of the honor and authority of your See in all respects."

Justinian's Code in the edicts of the "Novellae;" in the preamble of the ninth it states:
"that the elder Rome was the founder of the laws; so was it not to be questioned that in her was the supremacy of the pontificate." In the 131st; chap. II, on the ecclesiastical titles and privileges it states: "We therefore decree that the most holy Pope of the elder Rome is the first of all the priesthood, and that the most blessed Archbishop of Constantinople, the new Rome, shall hold the second rank after the holy Apostolic chair of the elder Rome."
Pagan Rome, not the Apostles not Christ, laid the legal political and prophetic foundation for the establishment of the Papacy. 533ad was the date of the legal granting of civil and religious power to the bishop of Rome.
There is a twist to all this however, because Rome at that time was under an occupying power, and enemies to the Byzantine emperor, it was necessary that the city be liberated before the pontiff could exercise his new found authority. Legal authority is issues unless it could be put into effect right? This is where prophecy comes to the fore. This took place in 538ad when Bellisarius defeated the Goths and that Arian kingdom could no longer exercise power over the bishop, for until that time the Gothic king Theodosius had the final say on appointing bishops. So you can mark 538ad on your prophetic calendar.

WRONG.

Not only does Irenaeus list ALL of the Popes from his time (circa 180 AD) all the way back to Peter in his Against Heresises - Tertullian's De Pudicitia (circa 220 AD) excoriates Pope Callixtus I, referring to him as "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops".

Let's not forget that Pope Victor dealt with the Quartodecimen controversy at the Council of Rome, which he presided over in 193 AD.
ALL of these instances were HUNDRES of years before your fictitious date of the "groundwork being laid" for the Papacy.

Nice try - but History proves you wrong . . .

 

[DNB]

By looking at that list i would say THEE FAITH , has long forgotten this , IF ANY comes preaching any other gosple or any other jesus
OOOPSY thems false . ROME is bad news , as are many on that list . WE better know the biblial JESUS and learn Him well .
Loving every word HE said , being hearers and doers , and loving what those Holy Spirit filled apostels wrote for us to learn .
cause many are following another jesus . And that would include joseph smith , rome and many . THUS they are not in the fold .
We must teach them all sound doctrine and get folks back into bibles and very fast too . cause this generation is in dire trouble .

Yeah, I must admit that I find it a little unnerving just how seemingly indoctrinated and misguided I find these Catholic proponents to be. I understand that there's controversy everywhere, in all denominations, but there is an extreme dichotomy when it comes to Catholicism. It's one thing to be called a heretic (even Luther, Tyndale, Wycliffe, Cranmer, etc were all deemed as such), but to be labelled the anti-christ or mystery Babylon throughout several centuries, is a more egregious and incriminating charge, I would think. And these accusations are not coming from the institution or state, as in the case of tyrannical regimes that constantly lay false charges against their seditious subjects, but rather from the oppressed and the victims of the abuse and scandal.

I don't believe that Catholic lay people are wicked, or even many of their clergy, but the spirit of their dogma, hierarchy and institution undeniably is - there is a satanic element to its foundation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If your church is a particular denomination, instead of the entire body of true believers, you belong to the wrong church..

AMEN.

 

[DNB]

If your church is a particular denomination, instead of the entire body of true believers, you belong to the wrong church..

You, and no one else, cannot define who or where are the true body of believers.
That is a superfluous and pretentious term, that carries very little weight because by definition alone, it defines no boundaries. The only way to delineate a body of believers is to stipulate its parameters by creed, and thus, by denomination.
So, the false church always categorizes itself as the undefinable 'true body of believers', of which no one has any tangible record of the unadulterated apostolic tradition, in order to prove its authenticity.
Just to make the claim incriminates oneself as to their naiveté, ignorance and pretense.

 

[DNB]

Tertullian's De Pudicitia (circa 220 AD) excoriates Pope Callixtus I, referring to him as "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops".

To excoriate is to criticize, does that not undermine your point - yet contradict the appellations?

 

[DNB]

WRONG.

Not only does Irenaeus list ALL of the Popes from his time (circa 180 AD) all the way back to Peter in his Against Heresises - Tertullian's De Pudicitia (circa 220 AD) excoriates Pope Callixtus I, referring to him as "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops".

Let's not forget that Pope Victor dealt with the Quartodecimen controversy at the Council of Rome, which he presided over in 193 AD.
ALL of these instances were HUNDRES of years before your fictitious date of the "groundwork being laid" for the Papacy.

Nice try - but History proves you wrong . . .

There is such an irony of how you Catholics defend your faith and discredit others, by claiming that your opponents church has been established by the precepts and authority of men. And yet, every single one of your arguments that support your position, are based on historical events that are precipitated and substantiated by logic and events, that are entirely extraneous to Biblical authority - that is, the acts and decisions of unbridled men. Your entire history is not Bible based at all, but in defiance of it. If you are to claim apostolic succession, and even dare to concede to tradition, if you therefore do not demand a corroboration with Scripture, you must at least not have an antagonism with it. Papal primacy and infallibility, are satanic derived, bombastic and oppressive tactics, that have lead your 'fathers' into the most disgraceful acts of hedonism and licentiousness. For example, ever heard of the Borgias?

 

[mjrhealth]

@DNB have you read post #75. You don know if you dont feed them they starve, do we really need this relentless nonsense, It wont end till one stops.

 

[Brakelite]

WRONG.

Not only does Irenaeus list ALL of the Popes from his time (circa 180 AD) all the way back to Peter in his Against Heresises - Tertullian's De Pudicitia (circa 220 AD) excoriates Pope Callixtus I, referring to him as "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops".

Let's not forget that Pope Victor dealt with the Quartodecimen controversy at the Council of Rome, which he presided over in 193 AD.
ALL of these instances were HUNDRES of years before your fictitious date of the "groundwork being laid" for the Papacy.

Nice try - but History proves you wrong . . .

Of course. The church vaunted it's own imaginary status as ruler of the world for a long time before the actual state power conceded and legally conferred upon the Pope civil authority. That was the beginning of what the Catholic Church always identified herself as and is today actively working towards again... Universal civil and religious authority over all mankind. Total papal supremacy. Temporarily taken away in 1798, but reinstated at least for the Vatican city in 1929. But one small city of a couple thousand people isn't enough for Rome. Europe wasn't enough during the dark ages. Don't worry BoL. Your day will come. Feudalism, slavery, tyranny is coming again... Keep up the good work and you too may have a seat at the table.