Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

[ewq1938]

Does the old man get destroyed when someone accepts Christ and the day star arises in their hearts?

Not at the second coming which is when the one man of sin is destroyed by Jesus.

2 Peter 1:19
have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2 Thessalonians 2 is about the day of Christ, "the day dawning and the day star arising in our hearts". If it was about the day of the Lord the bible would have said - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Lord is at hand.

Am I seeing that right?

 

[William Barton]

"Antichrist" has several other epithets:
o. man of lawlessness
o. son of perdition
o. beast
o. little horn
o. deceiver
o. false Christ
o. vile/despicable person
o. worthless shepherd

 

[CTK]

"Antichrist" has several other epithets:
o. man of lawlessness
o. son of perdition
o. beast
o. little horn
o. deceiver
o. false Christ
o. vile/despicable person
o. worthless shepherd

William, who is he?
When does he arrive?
Where does he come from?
Where does God reveal to us everything about him?

 

[IndianaRob]

What they did was isolate people and with a laptop looking for MAC addresses the people approached the laptop one by one...and the people with the Jab registered a MAC address.
In another test they even went to cemeteries and fresh graves were emitting a MAC address.

My best answer is when they turn it on.
I believe the nano-particles are just one element of the beast system.
The Lucerase tattoo...or what it becomes... could be part of activating the nano-particles. These answers are currently unknown.

I would imagine pretty soon we will all be subjected to the tokenized programmable CBDC as there are several scenarios that may get us there.

So in your view turning on the tech is the mark? I’m trying to pin down what you think the MOB is.

 

[Earburner]

So Jesus is destroyed by that fire?

Are you being "willingly ignorant"?
Jesus Himself is that Eternal flaming and consuming fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Different context.

You don't have a whole bunch of people going into the rebuilt temple and claiming to b god.

You completely missed the point. I'm not saying 2 Timothy 3:16-17 has the same context as 2 Thessalonians. I'm showing that a reference to "the man of God" does not refer to an individual man, so you should consider that the reference to "the man of sin" does not have to refer to an individual man, either.

 

[William Barton]

William, who is he?
When does he arrive?
Where does he come from?
Where does God reveal to us everything about him?

IMO:
o. "Anti" in "Anti-Christ" = "false" i.e. "false Christ."
o. He is a charismatic person, probably Middle-Eastern
o. He will achieve a peace treaty in the Middle East (amazing!).
o. He will oversee construction of the Jewish temple.
o. He will then take his seat in the temple proclaiming to be God.
o. These things will make his appearance obvious.
o. He will bring forces to the the plain of Armageddon.
o. He will thrown into the lake of fire, earth's interior.
o. It is extremely hot there, 5000 Centigrade at the core.
o. Jesus died on an Israeli blood moon, and will return on one.
o. I see an internet article by Thomas Ice (Compass International) entitled "The Eight Stages of Armageddon."

 

[PeterAndroz]

The antichrist will be a man of peace..wink, wink...when he first comes on the scene.
He will make or enhance a current "peace" plan or process for the middle east and Israel...I think people will love the guy.

Rev 6: 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

He conquerers with a bow....notice no arrows.

Yes, he will have many fooled and before long he will be the one revealed to the whole world inc Fiji, New Guinea etc then comes the MOTB

 

[CrowCross]

So in your view turning on the tech is the mark? I’m trying to pin down what you think the MOB is.

No. It's simply part of the system.
I think the tech will be turned on prior to the mark.

As to what the mark is....I don't know, but, there appears to be some hints that I've pointed out.

 

[CrowCross]

You completely missed the point. I'm not saying 2 Timothy 3:16-17 has the same context as 2 Thessalonians. I'm showing that a reference to "the man of God" does not refer to an individual man, so you should consider that the reference to "the man of sin" does not have to refer to an individual man, either.

The verbage around 2 Thes 3:7 suggest he is a man. If you don't agree, then fine.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, he will have many fooled and before long he will be the one revealed to the whole world inc Fiji, New Guinea etc then comes the MOTB

Do you think Rev is linear? I've always thought the MOTB came in the middle of the trib...but lately I've been wondering if it doesn't come closer to the beginning.

I have to look into it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The verbage around 2 Thes 3:7 suggest he is a man. If you don't agree, then fine.

I don't agree. And we can agree to disagree. But, just remember that any future physical temple cannot be the temple of God. In scripture, the temple of God is always a temple that God ordains and dwells in. That includes the spiritual temple of God, which is the church (Ephesians 2:19-22).

 

[CrowCross]

I don't agree. And we can agree to disagree. But, just remember that any future physical temple cannot be the temple of God. In scripture, the temple of God is always a temple that God ordains and dwells in. That includes the spiritual temple of God, which is the church (Ephesians 2:19-22).

The temple of God is just a name...what's it's called....the rebuilt temple will not save anyone. The sacrifices will mean nothing concerning salvation...as Jesus was the final sacrifice.
But, the bible does present it as a fact.
There are currently plans to rebuild it...they have the priest clothing, furniture, cornerstone etc...even a red heifer. Just waiting for the green light.

 

[ewq1938]

Are you being "willingly ignorant"?
Jesus Himself is that Eternal flaming and consuming fire.

Jesus is not the fire he comes in. It's specifically flashes of lightning and is not something used by him as a weapon. The only weapon ever described that kills people is a symbolic sword from his mouth.

He comes so fast and brightly the description of lightning is used. He doesn't send down lightning bolts or anything. He comes in flaming fire not casts out flaming fire. The same exact thing is here:

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It's about the speed because lightning was the fastest thing man knew of in those days. This essentially is "light speed" and is what this verse is talking about:

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Barnes:

In flaming fire - This is a circumstance which is not noticed in the account of his appearing in the parallel place in 1Th_4:16. The object of the apostle here seems to be to represent him as coming amidst vivid flashes of lightning. He is commonly described as coming in clouds, and to that common description there is here added the image of incessant lightnings, as if the whole heavens were illuminated with a continued blaze.

It means a flash of lightning.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

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A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.
Total KJV occurrences: 74


Luke spoke of the same lightning when Christ would be revealed from heaven:"

Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.



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From G797; lightning; by analogy glare: - lightning, bright shining.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

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astrapto?
as-trap'-to
Probably from G792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.
Total KJV occurrences: 2


Paul was speaking of lightning not fire like when something is burning.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The temple of God is just a name...what's it's called....the rebuilt temple will not save anyone.

This is an unacceptable response and it borders on being blasphemous. Any time the temple of God is mentioned in scripture it is a reference to God's temple that He ordained and dwells in whether it was the physical temples of long ago or the spiritual temple (the church) that we're in now. The Bible NEVER refers to God's temple or the temple of God that isn't actually God's temple in the sense of it being a temple He ordained and dwells in.

The sacrifices will mean nothing concerning salvation...as Jesus was the final sacrifice.
But, the bible does present it as a fact.
There are currently plans to rebuild it...they have the priest clothing, furniture, cornerstone etc...even a red heifer. Just waiting for the green light.

Such a temple is meaningless and would never be called God's temple or the temple of God in scripture.

 

[CTK]

IMO:
o. "Anti" in "Anti-Christ" = "false" i.e. "false Christ."
o. He is a charismatic person, probably Middle-Eastern
o. He will achieve a peace treaty in the Middle East (amazing!).
o. He will oversee construction of the Jewish temple.
o. He will then take his seat in the temple proclaiming to be God.
o. These things will make his appearance obvious.
o. He will bring forces to the the plain of Armageddon.
o. He will thrown into the lake of fire, earth's interior.
o. It is extremely hot there, 5000 Centigrade at the core.
o. Jesus died on an Israeli blood moon, and will return on one.
o. I see an internet article by Thomas Ice (Compass International) entitled "The Eight Stages of Armageddon."

William, thank you for your response, but with all due respect, I would like to ask you again to answer those questions. Absolutely not wanting to be difficult, but God has indeed give us the answers to these questions and so much more... and he is not an end time actor.

William, who is he?
When does he arrive?
Where does he come from?
Where does God reveal to us everything about him?

 

[CrowCross]

This is an unacceptable response and it borders on being blasphemous. Any time the temple of God is mentioned in scripture it is a reference to God's temple that He ordained and dwells in whether it was the physical temples of long ago or the spiritual temple (the church) that we're in now. The Bible NEVER refers to God's temple or the temple of God that isn't actually God's temple in the sense of it being a temple He ordained and dwells in.

Well, I'm thinking you should understand the truth.
The future temple is a way the kabbalist and other Jewish sects will attempt to bring about the messiah....instead they get the antichrist believing he is the messiah.

Such a temple is meaningless and would never be called God's temple or the temple of God in scripture.

Yes, other than fitting prophecy...the temple will be meaningless.

 

[CrowCross]

I don't agree. And we can agree to disagree. But, just remember that any future physical temple cannot be the temple of God. In scripture, the temple of God is always a temple that God ordains and dwells in. That includes the spiritual temple of God, which is the church (Ephesians 2:19-22).

Why would God dwell in this temple? It's built for the antichrist.