Who is the Antichrist? Let's Put a Name on Him.

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Gottservant

Well-Known Member
Oct 19, 2022
1,844
532
113
45
Greensborough
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Look at the original greek for "add" (epithe) it is "impose".

What you impose will be imposed back.

It's not against additional revelation (just revelation in exclusion to what is revealed there).

Really, you are using scripture to contradict scripture - saying "wind must not be added to scripture, according to scripture"

It looks silly, it really does.
 

Brakelite

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2020
8,571
6,416
113
Melbourne
brakelite.wordpress.com
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I won't name the Antichrist... Again... But I will bring to everyone's attention that scripture reveals one extremely important characteristic of the Antichrist... He's a counterfeit Christ. Take careful note of the following.

The sea-beast or antichrist.
Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
Ten diadems. (13:1)
Ten horns (13:1)
Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)
Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)

Now compare:
Jesus Christ
Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
Was slain (Rev 5:6)
Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)

For those who would indulge in thinking that perhaps Islam or some other religion or religious leader is the Antichrist, I would remind them that counterfeits are copies of the truth. You do not get counterfeit $99 notes. The counterfeit religion, the counterfeit god, the counterfeit worship of the last days, Babylon the Great, is a quasi Christian form of worship, a Christian God, a Christian form of church. That my friends is what makes it so dangerous, so deceptive.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,022
1,229
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)


Was not slain nor was resurrected. The verse does not say that:

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Barnes:

And I saw one of his heads, as it were wounded to death - The phrase “wounded to death” means properly that it received a mortal wound, that is, the wound would have been mortal if it had not been healed. A blow was struck that would be naturally fatal, but there was something that prevented the fatal result.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The letters not counted had no numerical value. That's the nature of Latin.
APOSTATES in the Greek equals 666 the number of the beast. 1/3 of the angels became APOSTATES. Adam and Eve became APOSTATES. King Solomon had 666 shekels a sign he would become APOSTATE. When you reject Christ you receive the mark of the beast 666 aka the name APOSTATES
 
Last edited:

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
6 is the number of Man, 7 is Divine Completion, and God is perfectly complete, so Divine Completion =7. The number 8 = New Beginnings. The number 10 = Completion in our world. The number 12 = Fulness the Number 3 also represents God/Trinity etc. etc.

So, just like the 144,000 is really a code for ALL Israel as in 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 (Completeness) x 10 x 10 likewise 6 being the number of man, 666 is God using numbers to tell us the Last Beast is a MAN just like the Little Horn tells us the same thing, Rome, Babylon and Greece were Horns of Power, but the Little Horn is not a Kingdom per se but ONE MAN who will both arise & fall as the Beast, unlike any other Beasts. That's why we get the 7 Hills reference in Rev. 17 which show us the 7 powers, with Kings (Mountains) who arise and with Kings who have fallen, thus only the last 666 Beast both arises and falls because he is only one man who rules a short time.

God is not saying this man's name matches 666 he is saying the Last Beast is a MAN (666) and uses multiples 6's to emphasize this point. So, you pretty much see what I see. While they are looking for a Name thet matches (whoever is here, not me) they will miss it. Likewise the kings do not mean 10, they mean Complete Europe Reunited just like the 10 Virgin Brides = Complete Christendom.

Those who overlook the way God uses numbers will never in full understand the end times. I get it all the time, NO, NO, NO, 144,000 means 144,000 but they refuse to answer when I say well does 10 Virgin Brides mean only 10 or 2 Billion people?
APOSTATES in the Greek equals 666 the number of the beast. 1/3 of the angels became APOSTATES. Adam and Eve became APOSTATES. King Solomon had 666 shekels a sign he would become APOSTATE. When you reject Christ you receive the mark of the beast 666 aka the name APOSTATES. Babylon in Book of Revelation not only includes traditional pagans but its a phase of Babylon that now includes APOSTATE churches.
 
Last edited:

The Light

Well-Known Member
Mar 11, 2022
2,268
199
63
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I won't name the Antichrist... Again... But I will bring to everyone's attention that scripture reveals one extremely important characteristic of the Antichrist... He's a counterfeit Christ. Take careful note of the following.
The beast of the sea who is an Antichrist is Nimrod, the first ruler of the world. The thing that hath been, is that which shall be and that which is done is that which shall be done, and there is no new thing under the sun.

The beast of the earth has not been named. The beast of the earth is a two horned beast.
 

Brakelite

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2020
8,571
6,416
113
Melbourne
brakelite.wordpress.com
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
APOSTATES in the Greek equals 666 the number of the beast. 1/3 of the angels became APOSTATES. Adam and Eve became APOSTATES. King Solomon had 666 shekels a sign he would become APOSTATE. When you reject Christ you receive the mark of the beast 666 aka the name APOSTATES
Those are words, and I'm sure there are many more besides. But they aren't titles used by anyone, nor a distinct reflection of the meaning of Antichrist, nor a title chosen by the actual holder and in his own language.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I won't name the Antichrist... Again... But I will bring to everyone's attention that scripture reveals one extremely important characteristic of the Antichrist... He's a counterfeit Christ. Take careful note of the following.

The sea-beast or antichrist.
Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
Ten diadems. (13:1)
Ten horns (13:1)
Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)
Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)

Now compare:
Jesus Christ
Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
Was slain (Rev 5:6)
Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)

For those who would indulge in thinking that perhaps Islam or some other religion or religious leader is the Antichrist, I would remind them that counterfeits are copies of the truth. You do not get counterfeit $99 notes. The counterfeit religion, the counterfeit god, the counterfeit worship of the last days, Babylon the Great, is a quasi Christian form of worship, a Christian God, a Christian form of church. That my friends is what makes it so dangerous, so deceptive.
There have been two main enemies of the pristine church. One external and one internal threat. The external threat are governments of the world that persecute Christians. The internal threat are Apostates. The falling away describes how a portion of the pristine church would fall away from the truth and revive paganism in the church. Beast from sea represents governments that have arisen been wounded (collapse) then healed (restored) throughout the ages. Two horned beast represents phase of Babylon aka kingdom of paganism that now includes Apostate churches. Final government is 7 headed 10 horned beast. Final religion ushered in by final phase of Babylon (won't guess on what one world religion will be)
 

Brakelite

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2020
8,571
6,416
113
Melbourne
brakelite.wordpress.com
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
The beast of the sea who is an Antichrist is Nimrod, the first ruler of the world. The thing that hath been, is that which shall be and that which is done is that which shall be done, and there is no new thing under the sun.

The beast of the earth has not been named. The beast of the earth is a two horned beast.
Another attempt at diverting attention away from Rome. No individual meets all the criteria that is demanded of the Antichrist, the little horn of Daniel 7. No institution meets all the criteria demanded, except the Catholic Church. Every single characteristic, every criteria that identifies the Antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13 as being the medieval Roman Papacy, (and more scriptures besides), is fully realized. Every... Single... One.
I am happy to discuss any characteristic of the Antichrist you think is not realized in the Roman church.
Now you may ask, why only the medieval papal power, and not today? Because she is different. In 1798 she lost her political sway over the kings of the earth when Napoleon's general Berthier arrested the Pope and the church was no longer a union of church and state. The modern Catholic Church however is regaining her lost ascendancy. This time however she is going global. At the moment, she is a small city state in Rome. But watch closely. The Pope is working hard internationally at gaining influence, and when the "mortal wound" is fully healed, and the kings of the earth surrender their sovereignty to the Vatican, she will be fully revealed once again as the true Antichrist, the whore riding upon the back of political power, holding the reins. Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing Christ.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,022
1,229
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing Christ.

The Ac is a he not a she. The RCC is a type or shadow of the beast and Ac but is not the end times fulfillment of those things. What's coming is far bigger and worse than the RCC ever dreamed of being.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Those are words, and I'm sure there are many more besides. But they aren't titles used by anyone, nor a distinct reflection of the meaning of Antichrist, nor a title chosen by the actual holder and in his own language.
Another attempt at diverting attention away from Rome. No individual meets all the criteria that is demanded of the Antichrist, the little horn of Daniel 7. No institution meets all the criteria demanded, except the Catholic Church. Every single characteristic, every criteria that identifies the Antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13 as being the medieval Roman Papacy, (and more scriptures besides), is fully realized. Every... Single... One.
I am happy to discuss any characteristic of the Antichrist you think is not realized in the Roman church.
Now you may ask, why only the medieval papal power, and not today? Because she is different. In 1798 she lost her political sway over the kings of the earth when Napoleon's general Berthier arrested the Pope and the church was no longer a union of church and state. The modern Catholic Church however is regaining her lost ascendancy. This time however she is going global. At the moment, she is a small city state in Rome. But watch closely. The Pope is working hard internationally at gaining influence, and when the "mortal wound" is fully healed, and the kings of the earth surrender their sovereignty to the Vatican, she will be fully revealed once again as the true Antichrist, the whore riding upon the back of political power, holding the reins. Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing Christ

Another attempt at diverting attention away from Rome. No individual meets all the criteria that is demanded of the Antichrist, the little horn of Daniel 7. No institution meets all the criteria demanded, except the Catholic Church. Every single characteristic, every criteria that identifies the Antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13 as being the medieval Roman Papacy, (and more scriptures besides), is fully realized. Every... Single... One.
I am happy to discuss any characteristic of the Antichrist you think is not realized in the Roman church.
Now you may ask, why only the medieval papal power, and not today? Because she is different. In 1798 she lost her political sway over the kings of the earth when Napoleon's general Berthier arrested the Pope and the church was no longer a union of church and state. The modern Catholic Church however is regaining her lost ascendancy. This time however she is going global. At the moment, she is a small city state in Rome. But watch closely. The Pope is working hard internationally at gaining influence, and when the "mortal wound" is fully healed, and the kings of the earth surrender their sovereignty to the Vatican, she will be fully revealed once again as the true Antichrist, the whore riding upon the back of political power, holding the reins. Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing ChristRo

Another attempt at diverting attention away from Rome. No individual meets all the criteria that is demanded of the Antichrist, the little horn of Daniel 7. No institution meets all the criteria demanded, except the Catholic Church. Every single characteristic, every criteria that identifies the Antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13 as being the medieval Roman Papacy, (and more scriptures besides), is fully realized. Every... Single... One.
I am happy to discuss any characteristic of the Antichrist you think is not realized in the Roman church.
Now you may ask, why only the medieval papal power, and not today? Because she is different. In 1798 she lost her political sway over the kings of the earth when Napoleon's general Berthier arrested the Pope and the church was no longer a union of church and state. The modern Catholic Church however is regaining her lost ascendancy. This time however she is going global. At the moment, she is a small city state in Rome. But watch closely. The Pope is working hard internationally at gaining influence, and when the "mortal wound" is fully healed, and the kings of the earth surrender their sovereignty to the Vatican, she will be fully revealed once again as the true Antichrist, the whore riding upon the back of political power, holding the reins. Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing Christ.
It's important for bible prophecy interpretations to be consistent. Babylon is mentioned over 300 times in bible and it always meant literal Babylon. To get to Book of Revelation and have it mean another city like Rome is not consistent. Rome can qualify as a daughter of Babylon but not the mother of Babylon. Also all geographic locations in Book of Revelation are literal except where it explicitly states it's spiritual so supports literal Babylon not Rome. So we can't rule out that the city of Babylon will be rebuilt.
 
Last edited:

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,022
1,229
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Notice throughout bible antichrists is used in singular and plural. When people see Antichrist singular they think it's one person


You just said the bible uses antichrist in the singular and in plural, then you contradicted that. When antichrist is singular it is about one person. When it's about many, antichrists is used. The man of sin is one man not multiple men. The false prophet is one man, not many.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You just said the bible uses antichrist in the singular and in plural, then you contradicted that. When antichrist is singular it is about one person. When it's about many, antichrists is used. The man of sin is one man not multiple men. The false prophet is one man, not manyRhe
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To clarify, the term Levi used in the bible is singular but refers to tribe of Levi plural so there is no contradiction. Two horned beast (group of false prophets) = False Prophet (singular term like Levi used to refer to group of false prophets) same could apply to Antichrist and antichrists.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,022
1,229
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To clarify, the term Levi used in the bible is singular but refers to tribe of Levi plural so there is no contradiction. Two horned beast (group of false prophets) = False Prophet (singular term like Levi used to refer to group of false prophets) same could apply to Antichrist and antichrists.


No, a false prophet being one person is not the same as a name of a tribe. Multiple Levi people is Levites (plural)

Lev_25:32 Notwithstanding the cities of the Levites, and the houses of the cities of their possession, may the Levites redeem at any time.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
No, a false prophet being one person is not the same as a name of a tribe. Multiple Levi people is Levites (plural)

Lev_25:32 Notwithstanding the cities of the Levites, and the houses of the cities of their possession, may the Levites redeem at any time.
Two horned beast = False Prophet = Woman Riding the beast we have different representations of the same thing. It's common in prophecy to repeat same thing with different symbolic representation. Characteristics are the same such as persecuting trait.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,022
1,229
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Two horned beast = False Prophet = Woman Riding the beast we have different representations of the same thing. It's common in prophecy to repeat same thing with different symbolic representation. Characteristics are the same such as persecuting trait.


The ten horned beast, the two horned beast, and Babylon are three different things.
 

jcentricity

Member
Feb 24, 2023
42
7
8
51
Pittsburgh
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Not really at a high level people are either a citizen of the kingdom of God aka citizen of Jerusalem or citizen of the kingdom of paganism aka Babylon. Both governments (ten horned beast) and pagans (two horned beast) fall into the kingdom of paganism
 

The Light

Well-Known Member
Mar 11, 2022
2,268
199
63
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Another attempt at diverting attention away from Rome. No individual meets all the criteria that is demanded of the Antichrist, the little horn of Daniel 7. No institution meets all the criteria demanded, except the Catholic Church. Every single characteristic, every criteria that identifies the Antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13 as being the medieval Roman Papacy, (and more scriptures besides), is fully realized. Every... Single... One.
What are you talking about? Rome does not fulfill one single verse regarding the beast of the sea. No not one. Does Nimrod? Yes, every single verse is fulfilled by the return of Nimrod.

Is Rome "was and is not". Will Rome ascend out of the bottomless pit? NOPE.

Point #2 The Beast Was and Is Not and Will Ascend Out of the Bottomless Pit

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Is Rome the Assyrian? NOPE.

Point #3 The Antichrist is known as THE ASSYRIAN.


Isaiah 14
25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

Is Rome the King of Babylon? NOPE.

Point #4 The Antichrist is known as THE KING OF BABYLON
Isaiah 14

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Will the fir trees rejoice when Rome is laid down? NOPE

Point #7 The whole earth is at rest and the fir trees, and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when he is laid down.


Isaiah 14
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Nimrod fulfills all the descriptions of the beast of the sea. Rome fulfills none of them. Conclusion - Rome is not the beast of the sea, Nimrod is.

I am happy to discuss any characteristic of the Antichrist you think is not realized in the Roman church.
I already laid out all the verses that apply to the beast of the sea and as shown Rome fulfills none of them.
Now you may ask, why only the medieval papal power, and not today? Because she is different. In 1798 she lost her political sway over the kings of the earth when Napoleon's general Berthier arrested the Pope and the church was no longer a union of church and state. The modern Catholic Church however is regaining her lost ascendancy. This time however she is going global. At the moment, she is a small city state in Rome. But watch closely. The Pope is working hard internationally at gaining influence, and when the "mortal wound" is fully healed, and the kings of the earth surrender their sovereignty to the Vatican, she will be fully revealed once again as the true Antichrist, the whore riding upon the back of political power, holding the reins. Throughout however, she has always replaced Christ as the means and focus of salvation. Anti Christos. Replacing Christ.
Is Rome an Antichrist and the beast of the sea. NO!

What is Rome? Rome is mystery Babylon, that dresses in purple and scarlet and has a gold cup in her hand.

Revelation 17
Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

That great city that reigns over the kings of the earth is Vatican City. Vatican City will be destroyed by the beast.

Revelation 17
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Is Rome involved in end times? Yes, heavily, but she is not an Antichrist.