Who is the Queen of Heaven.
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Stan, you have kicked open a door.
The God that created Jesus in Mary's ovaries also created Mary.
Jesus was born before any other human per Col 1.
So, God created everything, and eventually Mary, by, for and THROUGH Jesus, whom always existed as a begotten son(man) in God's timeless realm.
The man Christ Jesus is seen doing things throughout the OT.
Is Mary divine or not?
If a human gives birth to divinity, is she divinity by default?
Can a human create divinity?
Philip James
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Mary is a creature, so. Not divine.
Who said anything about her creating divinity?
Pax et Bonum
Jim B
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Philip James
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Jesus is not a creature..
So we have Stan rejecting Jesus' humanity in denying Mary is His mother, and you here rejecting His divinity in denying He is uncreated..
Here's some info you both should have a look at:
Hypostatic union - Wikipedia
Pax et Bonum
Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
Jesus is the source!
Mary is the path or means of receiving!
you cannot deny that Jesus Christ is the source of all graces and that all graces come thru Mary cos Jesus came thru Mary!
According to holy scripture the sum total of “her offspring” is the holy son of God!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
No other offspring!
worship requires intent!
you can’t see intent!
even a wife owes love, respect, and veneration for her husband who represents Jesus Christ to her! Is she worshiping her husband? No!
Stan B
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If I was a heart surgeon, would that automatically make my mother a heart surgeon?
I am an 80 year old man. Does that make my mother an 80 year old man?
Stan B
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This pope guy. the infallible head of the church, whose word is equal in authority with the Bible, has just trampled all over God's authority by breaking the first of the 10 Commandments:
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath. You shall not bow down to them or worship them;"
He has created an idol, and then bows down and worships it!!
He is obviously not a servant of God, because he asserts his authority to write his own scripture. There would be just one other master he is serving, the god of pagans.
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Jim B
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Why do you continually deny God's Word (Scripture)? Is that what Catholicism teaches you?
Jesus had brothers! That is what the Bible says, so if you disagree with Scripture, you disagree with God.
"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him." Matthew 12:46
"Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers." Matthew 12:49
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?" Matthew 13:55
"After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days." John 2:12
"For even his own brothers did not believe in him." John 7:5
"However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret." John 7:10
So either you're lying or Matthew and John, who knew Jesus personally, are lying. I (and most other Christians) believe that God's word is truth. So if you write something different, you are lying, intentionally or not.
John 8:31b-32, "Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Jim B
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Stan B
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NOTHING comes to us through Mary. Not a word about that in the Bible. This stuff through Mary is entirely pagan, i.e. Satan!
According to holy scripture the sum total of “her offspring” is the holy son of God!
She did not give birth to the Son of God. He had already been in existence since before the beginning of the world. i.e. in the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God." But then He gave up his Godhood, His Divinity: "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Having given up His divinity, became man, to dwell amongst us, He had no divine power. In the Garden before His crucifixion, He fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”
Following the resurrection, Jesus became the sole mediator between man and God. Mary is not even given a mention, because she was just a sinner like the rest of us. She had no divine characteristics. Her only task was to take away Jesus' divinity and reduce Him to a powerless mortal like her.
Stan B
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How did you discover that?? It's not in the Bible! Did Mary whisper in your ear? Where does she keep all these treasures?
Philip James
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Ronald Nolette
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Wrong again ! Jesus will be king and He is eternal God but He is not eternal King! that belongs to God the Father alone!
Jim B
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Why do you show Jesus as still on the cross? He has been taken down and is now at the right hand of God.
Philip James
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Jesus great act of love is a constant reminder of just what my failings inflicted on Him.. Of HIS great love for me and the world despite our failures.. Of HIS destroying my death.
Praise HIS holy name for ever and ever!
Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
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