Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

[Eliyahu613]

Only for the Jews being in their temporal dilemma, but is ineffective mind you.

Again, you cannot do one part of the Law and neglect the other, you're not a true Jew.

Bs"d

A Jew is a Jew, whether he keeps the law or not. Atheistic Jews are also Jews.

One, the mosque dome of the rock in on the Temple site, so how can it be rebuilt?

You don't believe that buildings can be broken down?

The Messiah Jesus did prophesy 2023 years ago, that the third Temple will be rebuild in the future. For the record, it is not through the only true GOD and HIS messenger, but through the devil and his messenger the son of perdition.

The false messiah and with him a false prophet performing signs and wonders from the sky. Together they shall deceive the whole world, even Israel, even to erect an image of the false messiah that speaks. He implement the implant of his mark of himself on the hands and forehead of every citizens of the world, in order for them to buy and sell worldwide. Which the only true GOD forbid HIS people to receive, or be separated from HIM eternally.

This false messiah solely will rule over all the leaders of each country, who gives him the authority to do so. He together with the rebellion world against the only true GOD, even Israel join together, will persecute the true Christians worldwide.

Now, the sign to watch out for, that this false messiah is in the scene already and will be broadcast. First, he will make a peace treaty with Israel. Second, the Jews will be allowed to rebuild their Temple, and daily sacrifice will resume according to the Law of Moses, which is already ineffective anyway.

Then later over time, he will break the treaty and stop the Jews from operating in the Temple. He will take over the Temple and make his throne there in the most holy place, as god.

Remember, we are telling the Jews and Gentiles this before all this happens, since and until now 2023 years gone.

That is quite a story. From where do you get that?

 

[Fred J]

Bs"d

Somebody with a Jewish mother and non-Jewish father is considered to be a full Jew.

That's one twisted interpretation of the law of the rabbi forefathers i guess, compared to the Law of Moses. In the Law of Moses is stated, true Jews are not allowed to have outside marriages, but only among the 12 tribes of Israel.

For they will be considered as an 'outcast'. and shun from the community. They are to live with their outsider spouse, outside of the community of Israel, like the heathens. Apparently, you've been lied to, as a Jew you claim to be, am surprise, a stranger to one's given and made covenant.

Saying that "if you transgress one law you transgressed them all" is nonsense. What is the punishment if somebody steals a bread? Then he must return two breads.

But according to you he transgressed then all the laws, also the law against murder and blasphemy, and therefore he must be killed.

It's GOD's given and made Law of Moses with the 12 tribes of Israel who came out of egypt. You a peasant, are not to make sense of it, which is logical and which is not, just comply.

You cannot bribe the only true GOD, nor twist HIS arms to change, using your carnal craftiness thinking and reasoning methods. HIS given and made Law through Moses with the Israelites is Spiritual.

You break one Law to the letter, you break all, a sinner at the end of that one day. A true Jew have to perform cleansing, and next, to offer the proper sacrifice inspected by a priest, at the Temple.

So, one is considered clean and redeem from sin for only that one day. But when comes to the next day, it's a whole new beginning under the same Law. The same Jew, breaks another to the letter again today, one have to repeat the same thing as for today required by the Law.

Let me ask you this question, if one cannot be trusted to comply even to the least letter in the Law, how can that person be trusted with the rest?

i discern, you're not a true Jew, but have quite similar believes as the heathens', because am one in the past.

Your messiah didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies, and therefore he was not the messiah.

He did, even historically researched and proven by skeptics, even to some of them become believers of the Messiah Jesus, like me.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

A supposed Jew, I don't believe they actually are one because Jews don't harass Christians by entering their
house,community,and calling their faith a lie, accuses and accuses yet never counters our NT Messiah proofs with evidence from the Tanakh.

Immanuel was the word,God,make flesh. That's the truth of God in Christ. John 1:14, Hebrews 2.

 

[Fred J]

Bs"d

A Jew is a Jew, whether he keeps the law or not. Atheistic Jews are also Jews.

i can relate to that, after Jews crucifying the Messiah Jesus, their Temple were destroyed. Many were killed and many were exile scattered through out the globe, done by the Romans.

And the returning of the Jews to their homeland once again in May 1948, is predicted in the book of the Prophets. As the will of the only true GOD because of their forefathers sake, but not the rebuilding of the Temple.

This is because the Spiritual Messiah Jesus already come, and in these last days true worshipers do not worship in the Temple nor on the Mount. From since, true worshipers born of the Spirit and are spirit, now worship the only true GOD in spirit and truth, since HE is SPIRIT.

And their cleanse and redeemed born again body, spirit and soul, now is the Temple where the Holy Spirit resides,

You don't believe that buildings can be broken down?

How about that building are not to be broken down, because the actual Temple of Solomon mount is not there? What if the dome of the rock is currently situated on where once the Garrison of the Romans near to the Temple stood, not Temple?

That is quite a story. From where do you get that?

This is the last book of Revelation in the Holy Bible, prophesied by the very same Messiah Jesus 2023 years ago. Signs of Good and evil until He returns, for every true born again church to watch out for, generation after generation.

Proof that they are faithful, awake and awaiting for Him, and not asleep like the rest of the world. Where come one fine day like a thief in the night He returns, the disobedient and heart harden, find themselves in a ditch fallen.

 

[Fred J]

A supposed Jew, I don't believe they actually are one because Jews don't harass Christians by entering their
house,community,and calling their faith a lie, accuses and accuses yet never counters our NT Messiah proofs with evidence from the Tanakh.

It's evidence in the book of Acts, Saul persecuted the church from house to house. Even to the Apostles, where Stephen became the first victim to his persecution.

And it is not a surprise what we are witnessing even today. Even to the coming future, where the watered down Judaism sect religious Jews, will join together with anti-Christ, and persecute the church.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

It's evidence in the book of Acts, Saul persecuted the church from house to house. Even to the Apostles, where Stephen became the first victim to his persecution.

And it is not a surprise what we are witnessing even today. Even to the coming future, y

I made bold that last part of your post so to ask if you have anything from the Bible that sustains your observation?

Also, continuing with that observation, do you think that observation could be what causes Trolls to post Antisemitic posts, deny Immanuel was a Jew, and even attack our faith from a "Jewish" standpoint? So that behavior leands to a bad impression, as it adds to the increasing attack campaign against Jews and Judaism.

 

[Eliyahu613]

That's one twisted interpretation of the law of the rabbi forefathers i guess, compared to the Law of Moses. In the Law of Moses is stated, true Jews are not allowed to have outside marriages, but only among the 12 tribes of Israel.

For they will be considered as an 'outcast'. and shun from the community. They are to live with their outsider spouse, outside of the community of Israel, like the heathens. Apparently, you've been lied to, as a Jew you claim to be, am surprise, a stranger to one's given and made covenant.

Bs"d

It is still forbidden for Jews to marry a non-Jew. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It's GOD's given and made Law of Moses with the 12 tribes of Israel who came out of egypt. You a peasant, are not to make sense of it, which is logical and which is not, just comply.

You cannot bribe the only true GOD, nor twist HIS arms to change, using your carnal craftiness thinking and reasoning methods. HIS given and made Law through Moses with the Israelites is Spiritual.

You break one Law to the letter, you break all,

Where is that written in the law of Moses?

a sinner at the end of that one day. A true Jew have to perform cleansing, and next, to offer the proper sacrifice inspected by a priest, at the Temple.

That only goes for when you sin unintentionally. See here: animal sacrifices

So, one is considered clean and redeem from sin for only that one day. But when comes to the next day, it's a whole new beginning under the same Law. The same Jew, breaks another to the letter again today, one have to repeat the same thing as for today required by the Law.

Let me ask you this question, if one cannot be trusted to comply even to the least letter in the Law, how can that person be trusted with the rest?

i discern, you're not a true Jew, but have quite similar believes as the heathens', because am one in the past.

He did, even historically researched and proven by skeptics, even to some of them become believers of the Messiah Jesus, like me.

When you look at the messianic prophecies, then it is VERY clear that they have not been fulfilled.

Here are some examples:

Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off."

Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies: "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.

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Zechariah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace, the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any dominion at all.

In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus' failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption. Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and coming back thousands of years later.

Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."

When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'. However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way that the above prophecy was fulfilled.

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Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.

 

[Mr E]

And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.

When you look at the messianic prophecies, then it is VERY clear that they have not been fulfilled.

This above ^^^^ is the Jewish position. It shouldn't shock anyone to read it on a Christian forum, because Jews completely reject Jesus the Christ. It isn't some sort of nuanced position, or idea that they hold. It's exactly what is being referenced in first and second John-- when speaking about those who will not confess (admit) that Jesus was Christ in the flesh.

It's the spirit of antichrist according to scripture, on full display.

 

[Fred J]

I made bold that last part of your post so to ask if you have anything from the Bible that sustains your observation?

i've made clear my observation, and i don't have to repeat myself, it's unwise, that's why i've moved on.

Also, continuing with that observation, do you think that observation could be what causes Trolls to post Antisemitic posts, deny Immanuel was a Jew, and even attack our faith from a "Jewish" standpoint? So that behavior leands to a bad impression, as it adds to the increasing attack campaign against Jews and Judaism.

Now, this is an example of one who is not Biblically sound, to comment about GOD's children like that, when we Gentiles were merely adopted to the household of Jacob/Israel.

Salvation as promised through Messiah Jesus came to the household of Jacob/Israel first. Remember, Jesus in the beginning denied the Canaanite woman saying, "Food that are fed to children should not be fed to dogs."

The woman understood clearly the comment, but her humble and faith answer shames me as a believer today. That, even moved Jesus' heart and attention to grant the first Gentile, justice from the Kingdom of GOD.

Born again believers need thorough insight and wisdom from the discipleship of the Holy Bible and Holy Spirit. To me, i don't see as the Jewish ordained priest that day in betrayal delivered Jesus to be crucified, or have Him murdered.

What is unseen, but only by the Spirit and Scripture illuminates, is that they as ordained Levi priest of GOD. That day, they merely offered the Passover Lamb of GOD as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. He was not wounded and bruised alone for the iniquity of the Jews, but generally for the whole of Heaven and the world.

Okay now, why the Jews are behaving in hostile and in contempt, towards the Gospel and Messiah Jesus? The beginning of the Gospel itself Jesus verified, GOD blinded the eyes and blocked the ears of the Jews. They will see and see, but unable to see, and they will hear and hear, but unable to hear.

Then, also GOD arouse in them a jealousy, that Gentiles now have knowledge and worshiping their only true GOD. Nevertheless, a remnant of them Jews were saved by grace, in order to testify to us all of this in discipleship. Without them we Gentiles have no salvation, they rebelled against GOD, yes, but we Gentiles were worst off than that.

To continue, also one of them testified in his epistle, that GOD intentionally consigned the Jews to disobedience, so that the Gospel shall be granted to us Gentiles. Apparently, in regards the Gospel, Jews are GOD's enemy, but in regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.

Since they've rejected and mercy have been granted to us Gentiles, as GOD will. Towards the end, GOD will grant them back the same mercy shown to us. Now, when until the full number of Gentiles have come in, then all Israel shall be saved in the end.

Here, all Israel is referring to only the descendants of Jacob/Israel, the household of Jacob/Israel, period

 

[Fred J]

Bs"d

It is still forbidden for Jews to marry a non-Jew. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It happens and punishment is not rendered, because the Gospel of GOD and Messiah Jesus now reins supreme, and the Law of Moses is null and void. Apparently, transgression against the least Law of GOD is in the house inevitably. Then, how can GOD entrust them with the rest of the Law and also in compliance?

Moreover, in them or whether in full compliance to the letter, one cannot find nor attain eternal life. Therefore, after giving the Law through Moses to the Israelites, why GOD had to stir Moses to prophesy?

Saying, there will be another individual Prophet to come from among their brethren, and all will have to listen to Him. Meaning, since that individual have come and He is Messiah Jesus, we've hearken and listened to Him forward. And, He has given and made with us the New Covenant of the true GOD in these last days.

Therefore, we no longer unwisely listen to Moses and his Law anymore, nor under him any longer. But on the other hand, rather notably we take into account as significant reference of the past.

Where is that written in the law of Moses?

Fulfillment is not met to the letter of the Law to show you, but is met by it's requirements seen in the Messiah Jesus. Our New Covenant reveals GOD's intention of the Law, to be a temporal custodian to the Jews. Until when the promised individual arrives to set all things in a straight path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.

For the record, do you know why loads of sacrifices required by the Law, and are offered in the Temple day and night, in other words 24/7?

That only goes for when you sin unintentionally. See here: animal sacrifices

Did Adam sin unintentionally?

When you look at the messianic prophecies, then it is VERY clear that they have not been fulfilled.

Only to the blind who leads the blind, and soon they are going to fall into a ditch. In one's carnal sight, they only see what is written on the surface, and go by only to the letter back and forth.

But having born again insight through the Holy Spirit, we perceive the in depth written context version of things. And, moreover go by it's full requirements and fulfillments moving forward.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

i've made clear my observation, and i don't have to repeat myself, it's unwise, that's why i've moved on.

No,you didn't answer my question or I would not have asked it.

Now, this is an example of one who is not Biblically sound, to comment about GOD's children like that, when we Gentiles were merely adopted to the household of Jacob/Israel..

Someone who is biblically sound would understand my question was biblically sound.

While one person with many aliases is dishonest.

I wonder if Immanuel knew he was not biblically sound when he called out the Pharisees and Sadducees.

 

[Fred J]

No,you didn't answer my question or I would not have asked it.

Someone who is biblically sound would understand my question was biblically sound.

While one person with many aliases is dishonest.

I wonder if Immanuel knew he was not biblically sound when he called out the Pharisees and Sadducees.

suite your self, and end of discussion with the proud, no thank you.

 

[Eliyahu613]

It happens and punishment is not rendered, because the Gospel of GOD and Messiah Jesus now reins supreme, and the Law of Moses is null and void.

Bs"d

So you say that the law of Moses, which is the law of God given through Moses, is now null and void.

Well, let's see what your messiah says about that one:

17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

suite your self, and end of discussion with the proud, no thank you.

Discussion? You don't participate in discussions.

Will you repent of your arrogance and pride as you presume to judge the Christians here?

 

[Fred J]

Bs"d

So you say that the law of Moses, which is the law of God given through Moses, is now null and void.

Well, let's see what your messiah says about that one:

17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5

Apparently, you're not born again, may GOD because of Messiah Jesus grant you, that's a misconception due to out of context perception.

'But to fulfill them" - He has fulfill them, the Law and the Prophets, when His life was taken, there was an earthquake, the Temple shook. The veil to the Most Holy Place in the Temple, tore into two, GOD's presence left the Temple.

The Ark of the Covenant was salvaged, and the Romans destroyed the Temple, with no stones standing, predicted by Messiah Jesus before it even happen. Only, left standing is the outer wall, where Judaizer sect have made it their wailing wall.

Today, the only true GOD's presence with the Son, is with the church, by the person representing the Holy Spirit. As i have testified according to the Book of Revelation, the third Temple you Jews will be allowed to rebuild one day.

And, this is not by the will of the only true GOD, but the will of the devil through the son of perdition to come. After the Gospel of grace and truth has been proclaimed to the whole world. Then, GOD allows lies and deception of the devil through the son of perdition, the gross darkness predicted, to take over the world.

The reason is, since the world refuses to listen and harden their hearts towards the Gospel of grace and truth. Therefore, HE gives them up to what they pleasure here on earth, lies and deceit, health and prosperity. The true church saints of the only true GOD here on earth then, will undergo persecution for their faith.

In the hands of this sinful world, and even Jews who are deceived to think the son of perdition is the true messiah. Again, deceived even to think he is the only true GOD sent, he makes a peace treaty with them, and also allow them to rebuild their Temple.

This church is tested and tried for their faithfulness to HIS given and made New Covenant, to live is to lose, and to die is gain.

 

[Fred J]

Discussion? You don't participate in discussions.

Apparently, yes i do not, participate in elementary back and forth discussion, when the truth is already clear in testimony.

Will you repent of your arrogance and pride as you presume to judge the Christians here?

Wow, you're a trouble stirrer, such a dilemma in using harsh and strong words in falsely judging me. This is the very reason i refuse to continue discussion with attitudes like these, immature and amateurs.

 

[Eliyahu613]

Apparently, you're not born again, may GOD because of Messiah Jesus grant you, that's a misconception due to out of context perception.

'But to fulfill them" - He has fulfill them, the Law and the Prophets, when His life was taken, there was an earthquake, the Temple shook. The veil to the Most Holy Place in the Temple, tore into two, GOD's presence left the Temple.

Bs"d

As I have shown now several times, the messianic prophecies are NOT fulfilled.

And please show how the context changes these very clear words of your messiah about the law.

 

[Jay Ross]

Bs"d

As I have shown now several times, the messianic prophecies are NOT fulfilled.

And please show how the context changes these very clear words of your messiah about the law.

You are partly right in your statement, The Messianic prophecies that foretold the first advent of Christ have been fulfilled. The Messianic prophecies associated with the second advent of Christ are still to be fulfilled.

Do you accept that the prophecy found in Exodus 20:4-6 concerning the descendants of Jacob and the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth ages has not yet run to its completion and that the completion point for this prophecy co-insides with the judgement of the gentile kings of the earth at Armageddon, and as Paul wrote in Romans 11:25b-26a, " . . When the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, then after that all of Israel will be saved.

The trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, i.e., Israel, began around 250 BC and will end, IMHO, in around 20-25 years' time.

Christ, also during His first advent, gave clues as to when Israel would be redeemed and that at that time God will once more gather the remanent of Israel to Himself and make like new again the covenant that he had made with Israel at Mt Sinai which Israel had rebelled against as recorded in Jer 31:31ff.

The signs that you are looking for can be found if you read all of the available scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Eliyahu613]

Bs"d

You are partly right in your statement, The Messianic prophecies that foretold the first advent of Christ have been fulfilled. The Messianic prophecies associated with the second advent of Christ are still to be fulfilled.

There are no two comings of the messiah. Only one. Look here in chapter 3: Notestament

Do you accept that the prophecy found in Exodus 20:4-6 concerning the descendants of Jacob and the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth ages has not yet run to its completion and that the completion point for this prophecy co-insides with the judgement of the gentile kings of the earth at Armageddon, and as Paul wrote in Romans 11:25b-26a, " . . When the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, then after that all of Israel will be saved.

Children are punished for the sins of the fathers, unto the third and fourth generation. That means that descendants who come thousands of years later are not punished for the sins of forefathers who lived thousands of years ago.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

Christians say it is the messiah. The Jews say it is the Jewish people.

What about Rabbinic sources which say that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is the messiah?