Ah yes, you have a private definition of flesh that doesn't mean what everybody else means by it.bbyrd009 said:Besides which that is misrepresenting "the flesh" anyway, don't you think;
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Ah yes, you have a private definition of flesh that doesn't mean what everybody else means by it.bbyrd009 said:Besides which that is misrepresenting "the flesh" anyway, don't you think;
I see all kinds of wacko private interpretations of old and new testament scripture galore on this site alone. It gets quite annoying after a while.Mungo said:Ah yes, you have a private definition of flesh that doesn't mean what everybody else means by it.
well, the Book tells me that i am "two men in a bed," or a field, and that one will be taken, and the other will be left. And i can (now) relate this to my moments of conflict, which are many, and also note that getting religion did not finally resolve the conflict--i still have an angel on one shoulder, and a devil on the other, so to speak. And i did not claim to be saved, with all due respect, even though i have endured all of the socially accepted steps that men require in order to commend me to this...appellation? term, whatever. I could talk the talk, with the best of them, but having not yet "held out to the end," i would not claim to be saved; even while i enjoy a blessed assurance, that i get reassurance of whenever i manifest Christ.Dcopymope said:So are you saying that Satan isn't your enemy? He certainly considers you his enemy since you claim to be saved. So if he's not your enemy seeking to devour you then what is he? Your best buddy?
Oh, very real, yes. As real as you being two men in a bed or a field, if that allegory makes any sense to you.Dcopymope said:So are you saying he believes that Satan is nothing but some allegory of ourselves? Is Satan a real entity or not?
my meaning was that Jesus' crucifixion "in the flesh" will not avail one if their observance remains ceremonial, and they do not pick up their crosses and follow. But also "the flesh profits nothing" is not really even a concept that i would relate to Christ, as you have done; although i guess it is working out well enough for discussion--but generally it is a reference to a different concept, yes? The Flesh is generally referenced for anything but Christ, is it not? But there is a fleshly way to observe Christ, too, i guess; which is why "many will be deceived."Mungo said:Ah yes, you have a private definition of flesh that doesn't mean what everybody else means by it.
the inference here is that you know how this Scripture is to be interpreted, and that you are then the arbiter of the interpretation. Which i do understand has been encouraged in you, but i suggest that this closes you off to Living Word, wherein the Spirit might reveal deeper truth to you. The old wine is better, they say. If something is nonsense to you, all that means is that you do not see any truth in it--not that there is none. Which there is no shame in that, if a thing does not apply to you, and your walk, in the moment. But see that you have made a judgement, at "whacko," you, who calls another man "father," while claiming to have some understanding of Scripture. Which i don't mean as condemnation, but as proof of conflict, understand. Pride goes before a fall, bro.Dcopymope said:I see all kinds of wacko private interpretations of old and new testament scripture galore on this site alone. It gets quite annoying after a while.
Not an allegory, but a different word or symbol for the same thing. What they called "satan" or the "self" is what we refer to as the "ego". For all practical purposes it is real, but the reality is that it is simply a vain imagining. Once one truly denies the self, we see reality as it is; we step into eternity and satan jumps into the fire. Maybe he needs a little prodding. Tell him to jump in the fire...Dcopymope said:So are you saying he believes that Satan is nothing but some allegory of ourselves? Is Satan a real entity or not?
bbyrd009 said:my meaning was that Jesus' crucifixion "in the flesh" will not avail one if their observance remains ceremonial, and they do not pick up their crosses and follow. But also "the flesh profits nothing" is not really even a concept that i would relate to Christ, as you have done; although i guess it is working out well enough for discussion--but generally it is a reference to a different concept, yes? The Flesh is generally referenced for anything but Christ, is it not? But there is a fleshly way to observe Christ, too, i guess; which is why "many will be deceived."
So with all due respect, while i frequently do have a "different" definition than many believers, i think it is me that is using the accepted definition of "the flesh" here--i've never heard it applied to Christ before.
His flesh is not food, are we cannibals, do we run around eating teh flesh of men. Again carnal nature of men. Jesus was not speaking of eating His flesh, He was speaking of learning from Him, but how can a religion that has no "revelation" understand the things of God.But you say that you wouldn't relate flesh to Jesus and that Jesus' flesh profits nothing.
Which one comes first to you, being redeemed from a future place of fire and brimstone where you have been assured that you will spend "eternity," or recognizing when you have wronged someone, and apologizing to them in the same forum where the wrong was committed--iow a public apology for a public wrong--and offering to make it right, and not doing it again (rebound)?Dcopymope said:Which one comes first to you, being saved by the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, or your works?
"You can read the Last Supper in more than one way, see"bbyrd009 said:You can read the Last Supper in more than one way, see. But at some point you come to realize that no one was eating any Flesh when they actually had the chance, right? It is an allegory, created specifically to offend those under Law, and it still works today.
My own facts? Well you do confuse your opinions with facts so I think you meant I'm entitled to my own opinions.bbyrd009 said:well i guess that was all for someone else then, Mungo, no prob. You are entitled to your own facts.
well, why didn't Jesus then just actually provide some of His Body for consumption, being as how He was there and all, do you think?Mungo said:My own facts? Well you do confuse your opinions with facts so I think you meant I'm entitled to my own opinions.
But I think you will find that in all Bibles (certainly the ones I have consulted), at the Last Supper, Jesus says "This IS my body" (Mt 26:26, Mk 14:22, Lk 22:19, 1Cor 11:24).
Or do you have a special Bible that says something different?.
666 is the number of a man, after allDcopymope said:So are you saying he believes that Satan is nothing but some allegory of ourselves? Is Satan a real entity or not?
He did!bbyrd009 said:well, why didn't Jesus then just actually provide some of His Body for consumption, being as how He was there and all, do you think?