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best Filleter i know of! XDis not the written word of God a wonderful thing?
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I can basically see that we agree...but I still find your quote above ridged. You are saying something that has not always been proved true in peoples lives and actual experience.
I think you are getting nit-picky Stranger...is not the written word of God a wonderful thing?
Why would you contend the point when I said the bible is a wonderful thing?
Yes, He will bring us to the written word..I already said that...
Some people are given bibles after the come to the Lord, and some go and buy one.
Now IF you are trying somehow to prove that no one is saved until they read a bible...then you will have a hard row to plough.
Start a new thread on how many on this site read a bible FIRST..(you will get the majority maybe) ..but many, many of us were drawn by the Lord before we had read the scriptures.
I was not drawn by the bible...maybe you were...but God does not always use the same tool for everyone....we are not all blobs, but individuals...
As for the rest of your post I don't see why you wrote it..
Did I say anything different?
Helen
Those who I am contending with say that the Bible is not the written Word of God. So, please understand the argument you have entered.
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It like this
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
no bible needed
Mat 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
no bible, all you want is an argument,
Because if He had we would not be having this discussion and you would not have had to make up that idiotic statement, which now you are going to have to answer for, calling Jesus a liar.
I never ever said that, I said authority comes from God, and secondly , our fried BOL once told me I am wrong, an my answer is, yes I am always wrong it is Jesus God and teh Holy Spirit who are right, so I just have to agree with them pity so few do,
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Here's an interesting tidbit:
In the 18th year of the reign of Josiah, they decided to "remodel" the house of YHVH. There is a reason why they did so in that particular year, but that is besides the point here:
2Ch 34:14b Hilkiah the priest found the book of the law of YHVH given by Moses.
The Hebrew is be-yad_Mosheh : by the hand of Moses.
2Ch 34:19 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the law, that he rent his clothes. (also see: 2 Kings 22 - 23 account)
They had scrolls, so why did this scroll cause such a stir?
Further:
Jer 1:1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin: 2 to whom the word of YHVH came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
So Jeremiah, son of Hilkiah, the kohen ha-gadol (high priest) had already been prophesying for 6 (inclusive count) years at that point.
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHVH is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.
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In other words, as I have already said, you are saying what Jesus speaks to you is true. If Jesus speaks to me differently, against what you are saying, then I must be mistaken who is speaking to me. It is your who Jesus talks to and those who agree with you. Nice set up.
Stranger
That is a lie. That is exactly what you are saying. You can claim authority comes from God all you want, but don't let anyone disagree with you when your 'jesus' speaks to you. Because they must be lying, not the Jesus who speaks to you. You see, you set yourself up as your own authority. Not God.
Stranger
I think it relates directly to and perhaps is the same as what this verse says:
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." Exodus 33:20
Moses was able to see in a limited measure as was Paul here:
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
As we lean on God and put more and more trust in Him [if we do] our vision will improve. About 3000 years ago God inspired Solomon to write these words on what I believe is the same subject:
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
What we are able to see of the truth is where we are at the moment, but like looking at the sun with the unprotected natural eye, too much all at once is a danger to our very existence.
I have been very disappointed after receiving so much hope.
I was drawn by God to the UPC and at the first they all appeared so beautiful to me.
When many years later I was drawn by God to another unnamed [meaning they purposely carry no name] group I approached much more cautiously so as not to be so very disappointed again in what I thought I was seeing that was good.
What is good? Jesus said there is none "good" but one: God.
How well do we see Him? How well is His image reflected in us for others to see?
No claim it is the truth, remember when the devil said to Jesus,
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
than Jesus responded
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
they both quoted scripture who do you think had the authority?? Do you really think God would give His authrity to just any man, and anyone who loves Jesus would not want it, it comes with much responsibility.
And why do I quote teh bible Simple, you and most christians, "DEMAND" it"
Yes, satan was wrong in using Scripture against Christ. Which he learned very quickly didn't avail him anything. That did not change Jesus Christ view of Scripture. He just used it correctly. Something you do not do.
God told me last night that you need to study the Bible and consider it the Word of God.
Stranger
What is UPC, United Presbyterian Church? One of the best fellowships I have belonged to was the Presbyterian Church of America, PCA. That was many years ago and the only reason I left was I moved out of state.
Stranger
No He did not, sarcasm is not your best side. Jesus has authority, stan does not. Go have a friendly discussion with BOL if you think scripture has authority, see how quickly you give into his "authority.
thats twice you have called Him a liar, and tyou say you are a christian....
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No there is only one Jesus who Himself is the Truth and He has explained to me that God is Light and only Light, there is no darkness where He is nor can there be...I am not doubting Isaiah, I just think something must have been lost in translation or some such thing...A true prophet of God would not have written down words from above which were not the absolute Truth, so something else must have gone wrong..I mean they did for one thing keep on and on copying these texts, as the material written on didn't last very long, it then got into the hands of the former gentiles in Rome who translated it into Latin, so there perhaps a mistake could have been made...
He has also shown me that in the Bible itself it explains that there is NO darkness in God at all, so it confirms what He told me anyway....
I'm really not bothered that you and a couple of others see it that way, since I'm not responsible for the way you choose to believe...i have passed on a few of the things He told me so far, and if you want to reject it, well that's entirely up to you, I'm certainly not going to twist anyone's arms, and as I have said before...there is no way for me to make Jesus real for you, only you can allow Him to do that in your life...But it seems you don't even believe that He is real, is that your problem?
Yes He did. He said you need to repent of your unbelief and get right.
How have I called Him a liar? Can't He talk to me like He talks to you?
Stranger
I know HE did not say it, and its because twice you have said HE said things you know full well he did not say. because that is not how Jesus is. You are being nothing but argumentative and digging yourself a hole. It was not "unbelief" that got me to see God. As i said before, dont be stranger to Him.
What do you mean that is not how Jesus is? He talks to you. Can't He talk to me? All you're saying is that when we disagree with what Jesus has told us, I was the one who didn't get it right.
Well, He was very clear. You are in unbelief concerning the Bible, His Word. Plus He said you make a joke of His Word in always using it but not giving Him the credit. Spiritual plagiarism He called it. I believe the word 'mockery' was used.
Anyway, that is where we are. God told me you need to repent of that unbelief and get right with Him concerning His written Word. And, get involved in Bible study.
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