Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?

[TonyChanYT]

Romans 6:

23 the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We all sin. We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

Jesus knew it, Luke 18:

31 Then Jesus took the Twelve aside and said to them, “Look, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything the prophets have written about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33 They will flog Him and kill Him, and on the third day He will rise again.”

Jesus said it was necessary, Luke 24:

25 he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Paul explained in Hebrews 10:

4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,

It was the will of God that Christ should die.

as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’” ...
10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

Philippians 2

8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

As a result:

9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Amen.

 

[Nancy]

Romans 6:


We all sin. We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:


Jesus knew it, Luke 18:


Jesus said it was necessary, Luke 24:


Paul explained in Hebrews 10:


It was the will of God that Christ should die.


Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

Philippians 2


As a result:


Amen.

Yes, Amen! Indeed " at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Either willingly or unwillingly EVERY one.

 

[quietthinker]

Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?​

We couldn't bear a man who showed us up. We couldn't handle a God who showed us God was not what we expected of an all powerful God. It was intolerable so we tortured and killed him.

 

[MatthewG]

Romans 6:


We all sin. We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:


Jesus knew it, Luke 18:


Jesus said it was necessary, Luke 24:


Paul explained in Hebrews 10:


It was the will of God that Christ should die.


Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

Philippians 2


As a result:


Amen.

Great gentle run down, Tony.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus, He suffered and died according to the will of God, and having done so, what did it accomplish ? Heb 5:8-9
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[Ghada]

Romans 6:

Because sinful men had Him falsely accused, arrested, beaten, and crucified to death.

We all sin.

We don't. I go to my church, not yours.

We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:

We all have sinned and died to God, so yes all men need an Advocate to forgive past sinning, and a Savior to save from more sinning.

It was the will of God that Christ should die.

True. The Father's will was for Jesus to suffer at the hands of cruel men unto death.

And since He did so without sinning even on the cross, then He is made the perfect Lamb of God to wash any man that repents from all his past life.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

He died because of man sinning against Him.

He allowed it so that without sinning, He could rise again from the dead and be made the Deliverer of repentant men from our sinning.

 

[TonyChanYT]

We don't.

So you don't sin?

 

[rebuilder 454]

"Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?"



only God could resurrect.
That is the why.
Only the God man could stand as the kinsman redeemer.
The other "why"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Romans 6:


We all sin. We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:


Jesus knew it, Luke 18:


Jesus said it was necessary, Luke 24:


Paul explained in Hebrews 10:


It was the will of God that Christ should die.


Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

Philippians 2


As a result:


Amen.

only God could resurrect.
That is the why.
Only the God man could stand as the kinsman redeemer.
The other "why

 

[brightfame52]

Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?​

To save Gods Elect from their sins to the praise of His Grace.

 

[Lambano]

I know a young man who is dying way too soon and is angry at God for allowing his suffering. It might not alleviate his suffering, but perhaps I can remind him that Jesus knows what it's like to be misunderstood, rejected, betrayed, beaten, publicly humiliated, tortured, and left to die horribly. Empathy may not be enough, but sometimes it's all we've got.

 

[rebuilder 454]

To save Gods Elect from their sins to the praise of His Grace.

Sorta but Incomplete.
He took on sin that we might be pardoned to such an extent that sin is forgotten of us.
He took on the crown of thorns which circumferenced his mind that we might have the mind of Christ so he basically atoned for our minds.
he took the nails in his hands and his feet so that our walk and what we put our hand to do might be pure.
He took the stripes on his back that we may walk in perfect healing and divine health it says by his stripes we were healed as Peter declared. He suffered shame on the cross and that he hung there naked that our shame might be taken away.
He suffered separation from the father that we might not have to suffer separation from the father. He suffered betrayal by his own people, even his own disciples that we might be able to endure that same betrayal.

He is the victor and through him and only through him do we have victory ,and because of all that he suffered we will win and we have access to that same victory.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorta but Incomplete.
He took on sin that we might be pardoned to such an extent that sin is forgotten of us.
He took on the crown of thorns which circumferenced his mind that we might have the mind of Christ so he basically atoned for our minds.
he took the nails in his hands and his feet so that our walk and what we put our hand to do might be pure.
He took the stripes on his back that we may walk in perfect healing and divine health it says by his stripes we were healed as Peter declared. He suffered shame on the cross and that he hung there naked that our shame might be taken away.
He suffered separation from the father that we might not have to suffer separation from the father. He suffered betrayal by his own people, even his own disciples that we might be able to endure that same betrayal.

He is the victor and through him and only through him do we have victory ,and because of all that he suffered we will win and we have access to that same victory.

No its not incomplete, thats the reason the world was made.

 

[JBO]

To save Gods Elect from their sins to the praise of His Grace.

Jesus' death doesn't save anyone. God does. God's Holiness demands punishment for sins. God's Graciousness allows God, who is Holy, to impute the sins of mankind to Jesus. He is the perfect sacrifice. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world; "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The only real question in this is who God's Elect are. And unfortunately, Calvinism or Reformed Theology gets it all wrong.

 

[Tulipbee]

Jesus' death doesn't save anyone. God does. God's Holiness demands punishment for sins. God's Graciousness allows God, who is Holy, to impute the sins of mankind to Jesus. He is the perfect sacrifice. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world; "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The only real question in this is who God's Elect are. And unfortunately, Calvinism or Reformed Theology gets it all wrong.

Ah, jbo, you've stepped onto the divine dance floor, twirling with the intricate steps of atonement theology! Let's waltz through the theological ballroom, where Calvinism and Arminianism sway to different rhythms.

Now, in the Calvinist ballroom, the dance of atonement unfolds with precision. Picture this: God's Elect leading the choreography, synchronized with the symphony of God's Holiness and Graciousness. Calvin might whisper, "It's not merely Jesus' death; it's God's divine ballet of salvation."

You quoted 1 John 2:2, where the apostle John extends the dance floor to the whole world. Calvinists, with a gentle dip in their theological posture, argue that Jesus' sacrifice indeed has a universal scope, but its efficacy is realized in the salvation of God's Elect. It's like an intricate dance move, gracefully acknowledging the vastness of the dance floor while focusing on the chosen partners.

Now, in this divine dance-off, Arminianism taps its toes to a different beat. The melody of free will and a universal offer of salvation echoes in their theological ballroom. They argue that Jesus' sacrifice extends to all, and the invitation to join the dance is open to everyone.

So, jbo, as the theological waltz continues, Calvinists and Arminians each find their rhythm in interpreting the divine ballet of atonement. It's a dance where the intricacies of God's sovereignty and human response create a tapestry of theological expression. Shall we continue pirouetting through the pages of theological discourse?

 

[JBO]

Ah, jbo, you've stepped onto the divine dance floor, twirling with the intricate steps of atonement theology! Let's waltz through the theological ballroom, where Calvinism and Arminianism sway to different rhythms.

Now, in the Calvinist ballroom, the dance of atonement unfolds with precision. Picture this: God's Elect leading the choreography, synchronized with the symphony of God's Holiness and Graciousness. Calvin might whisper, "It's not merely Jesus' death; it's God's divine ballet of salvation."

You quoted 1 John 2:2, where the apostle John extends the dance floor to the whole world. Calvinists, with a gentle dip in their theological posture, argue that Jesus' sacrifice indeed has a universal scope, but its efficacy is realized in the salvation of God's Elect. It's like an intricate dance move, gracefully acknowledging the vastness of the dance floor while focusing on the chosen partners.

Now, in this divine dance-off, Arminianism taps its toes to a different beat. The melody of free will and a universal offer of salvation echoes in their theological ballroom. They argue that Jesus' sacrifice extends to all, and the invitation to join the dance is open to everyone.

So, jbo, as the theological waltz continues, Calvinists and Arminians each find their rhythm in interpreting the divine ballet of atonement. It's a dance where the intricacies of God's sovereignty and human response create a tapestry of theological expression. Shall we continue pirouetting through the pages of theological discourse?

Enough with dance floors, dance moves, tapping toes, different beats, tapestries, pirouetting, etc. Cute but somewhat confounding and disconcerting.

 

[Lambano]

Enough with dance floors, dance moves, tapping toes, different beats, tapestries, pirouetting, etc. Cute but somewhat confounding and disconcerting.

 

[Tulipbee]

Enough with dance floors, dance moves, tapping toes, different beats, tapestries, pirouetting, etc. Cute but somewhat confounding and disconcerting.

Absolutely, JBO, no more dance floors or intricate choreography – let's get straight to the heart of the matter!

In the grand theological conversation, let's tackle the issue of free will, a topic that often finds itself at the center stage of the Calvinist-Arminian dialogue.

Now, in the Calvinist arena, the spotlight shines on God's sovereignty. Picture this: a divine masterpiece where God, in His absolute sovereignty, orchestrates the unfolding drama of salvation. Calvin would likely remind us that it's not about human prowess on the theological stage but about God's sovereign hand directing the narrative.

You mentioned the universal call to repentance. In the Calvinist script, the call indeed goes out universally, like a divine proclamation echoing across the theological auditorium. However, the response, according to Calvinism, is a result of God's irresistible grace drawing the chosen ones to the front row of repentance.

Arminians, on the other hand, prefer a different script. Their narrative features a dynamic duo of free will and a universal invitation to the salvation soirée. Imagine an open invitation to the dance floor of redemption, where individuals, endowed with free will, decide whether to join the divine celebration.

Now, let's consult the Bible for a script check. Ephesians 1:4-5, in the Calvinist scene, emphasizes predestination and God's choosing before the foundation of the world. Arminians, however, may pivot to verses that highlight the universal offer of salvation, like 2 Peter 3:9.

So, JBO, in this theological theater, Calvinists and Arminians are reciting their lines, each convinced of the script's authenticity. It's a theological drama where free will and God's sovereignty engage in a riveting dialogue, leaving the audience pondering the intricacies of divine providence. No more dance analogies – just a straightforward exploration of the theological script!

 

[Ghada]

Romans 6:


We all sin. We all die according to God's law. So, we need atonement, Leviticus 17:


Jesus knew it, Luke 18:


Jesus said it was necessary, Luke 24:


Paul explained in Hebrews 10:


It was the will of God that Christ should die.


Jesus was the perfect sacrifice who died for us according to the will of God.

Philippians 2


As a result:


Amen.

For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

He had to come as a man and die as a man, so that He could rise again from the dead. It's by the resurrection of the man Christ Jesus, that God can make repented sinners newborn sons like the Son.

 

[brightfame52]

@JBO

Jesus' death doesn't save anyone. God does.

Blasphemy Jesus is God