Brakelite
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I would love to know your reasoning that transports you from the above, to
Why Did the Devil Tempt Jesus?
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No reasoning, just facts, she is just one of many I've observed who insist of others what they do not insist of themselves. As none of you can obey the TC, when you insist others must.....
I see you did not repsond to my post concerning whether you would tell a child of yours, if they dwelt on any impure thought they would be transgressing the TC and, if they didnt rectify their ways they would be living in sinfull disobedience to the TC and therefore, could not expect to enter Heaven. As you agree God will not drop His standards, from your theological viewpoint, I would have thought you would consider it your duty to your child to tell them that.
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Brakelite
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Your words were,
And I don't believe you. One visit to a church and you "find out" a woman there is having multiple affairs and people were laughing and joking as they transgressed other commandments of God? And all this in just one church you happened to visit. Wow. You paint a vivid picture. Do you work in Hollywood?
Yeah, nuh. I'm not responding to this. It's none of your business. I have no idea what rabbit hole you want me to follow you down, but I'm not going there.
As for all this personal stuff and make believe being a defence for transgressing the 4th commandment, I will leave you to your imagination.
I did not just go to the church once, I went for two or three months. You are welcome not to believe me, but I know it is all the truth. I don't like bearing false witness
Of course you won't respond. You wouldnt tell a child that would you. Because let's face it, you might say God won't lower his standards, but you do not personally hold the TC to the pristene level they are set at do you. You just telll others they must
As for the fourth commandment, I am no longer interested in debating apllicable law with you, your view differs from the NT churches view, as has been endlessly pointed out to you, for they would not give anyone a licence to sin
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Brakelite
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Yet the NT church honoured the Sabbath, and continued to do so for centuries until the papacy persecuted them for doing so. And yet even then, they're were Sabbath keeping churches in every century even to our day. Why? Because they found no biblical reason to change that which the apostles gave example of.
I will remind you that the Bible teaches, "except thou repent, ye shall likewise not see the kingdom of God". Remember, you have agreed with me, and the scriptures, that the law of God is perfect. It is holy, it is right, and it is good. You also agree with me that the only way to salvation is by grace. Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, as one of my favourite hymns says. What you are doing though is picking and choosing what is "applicable". Yet you are asking me to justify myself because I choose to obey? I think people need to justify disobedience, not to me or you, but before God, and yes, that includes me and my children and my grandchildren. I'm not sure however from wwhenceI get superpowers to know their thoughts.
You teach your children to ignore " applicable" law, I will teach mime. And I will watch out for you in these threads when the American government passes Catholic legislation enforcing Sunday so called sacredness.
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This is getting boring. You have endlessly been shown you and your denomination are at variance with the NT church as to what is and what is not applicable law. I am assured they are correct, not a denomination that sprung up about 200 years ago. Possibly you believe they preached a licence to sin?
The OC could be understood without the indwelling holy Spirit, the NC cannot be. Everyone understands looking to a law/set of rules, and believing you will be rewarded for following them. The natural mind will not accept NC doctrine. Here’s an example, of what you do not accept, according to what you have posted to me:
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15
According to Paul, a person would not have to even know of biblical law in order to show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written in their hearts, obviously by the way they act. So, how many, without knowing of biblical law would instinctively set aside a set Saturday Sabbath? We both know the answer to that don’t we.
Those who endlessly repeat ‘You must obey the TC’, look to the old way not the new, for they are following after the law, not the Holy Spirit, and it can only be one or the other(Rom7:6) Therefore, as only the Holy Spirit can lead believers into spiritual truth, they must go with what their natural intellect understands.
As for sda members are going to be persecuted by sunday churchgoers. It may suit you and your denomination to believe that, but you are looking in the wrong place for where the persecution is coming from. Open your eyes to what is happening now in the world we live in
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And, to emphasise just how far away you and your church are from the spiritual message of Paul. Paul's core message, that he eldlessly repeated was
'You must die to the law/TC, you are released from the law/TC/it is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. You can have no righteousness of obeying that law'
And yet, we have a church denomination that endlessly repeats:
You must obey the TC, and if you do not you cannot enter heaven, thereby, ensuring righteousness before God hinges on obeying that law.
You do not understand Paul's message, I will prove it to you
Why is the power of sin the law? 1Cor15:56
Why are sinfull passions aroused in us by the TC if we live under them?(Rom7:5)
How or why was sin able to take occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in Saul the pharisee? Rom7:7&8)
You quote the letters of someone you do not understand
Brakelite
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Indeed we do. None. Unless of course they have the scriptures. And they believe the scriptures. And through their relationship with Christ and by His grace they choose to act on that belief by keeping sabbath. Then that becomes written on their minds... they act, they believe, in good conscience because the holy Spirit has confirmed through the written word the will of God for them.
You also have the scriptures. But despite the clear teachings thereof, you have chosen not to believe them. The Bible says we can do all things through Christ Who strengthens us. The Bible says we can overcome, just as Christ overcame. The Bible says that Christ has promised to cleanse sinners from sin. Whether anyone, past or present, has attained to that exalted state is irrelevant. Christ is now ministering as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary and the promise is that He will come to take a bride home that is spotless and without blemish. Clothed in the appropriate wedding garment... the righteousness of Christ that is imputed to the repentant sinner by faith and therefore justified, and imparted to the repentant sinner by faith and therefore sanctified. But for you and evangelicals like you to relentlessly teach that no-one can overcome sin in this life, that it is impossible to overcome sin by faith in the Redeemer who had promised to do it, is to actually to justify and encourage sin and to stand on the enemy's side. And to wrongly teach that the 4th commandment is nullified on account of how you feel in your self deceiving mind is to do the same. We aren't called to honour what we feel in our minds. Our minds are deceptive above all things. We are called to trust in scripture and scripture alone. Teaching that commandments are optional is to justify sin. And if anyone in my church does the same, to sin and pretend they are free to do so, will likewise perish.
Obedience is the fruit of the Spirit and the presence of Christ in the believer. There is no other way. That is the consistent and biblical teaching of Scripture. To accuse the Adventists of teaching otherwise, that they are saved by obedience, is a straight out lie. But don't think for one second that sin, even in ignorance while there is opportunity to discover from scripture its true nature, is ever acceptable to God. The righteousness of Christ in the form of that wedding garment isn't a cloak to cover sin, any more than the fig leaves were sufficient to disguise Adam's and Eve's disobedience.
’’Indeed we do. None. Unless of course they have the scriptures. And they believe the scriptures. And through their relationship with Christ and by His grace they choose to act on that belief by keeping sabbath. Then that becomes written on their minds... they act, they believe, in good conscience because the holy Spirit has confirmed through the written word the will of God for them.’’’
Did you understand what Paul wrote? You would not have to know anything of biblical law to show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written in your heart, obviously by the way you act.
‘’You also have the scriptures. But despite the clear teachings thereof, you have chosen not to believe them. The Bible says we can do all things through Christ Who strengthens us.’’
And yet, the most flagrant sinning against the TC in any church I have ever been to in over 40 years was an sda church, that relentlessly preached. ‘’You must obey the TC
‘’’But for you and endangerment to relentlessly teach that no-one can overcome sin in this life, that it is impossible to overcome sin by faith in the Redeemer who had promised to do it, is to actually to justify and encourage sin and to stand on the enemy's side. And to wrongly teach that the 4th commandment is nullified on account of how you feel in your self deceiving mind is to do the same.’’’
If you had discernment, you would know sin is written about in two different ways in the bible. You do not hold the TC to the pristine level they are set at, so your view of not committing sin is a very shallow one. I do not have the luxury of watering down what is written in law for my own convenience
If I am deceived, so was the NT church, who obviously disagree with you and your denomination as to what is and what is not applicable law. Of course you have to ignore this, what else can you do?
‘’’’Obedience is the fruit of the Spirit and the presence of Christ in the believer. There is no other way. That is the consistent and biblical teaching of Scripture. To accuse the Adventists of teaching otherwise, that they are saved by obedience, is a straight out lie. But don't think for one second that sin, even in ignorance while there is opportunity to discover from scripture its true nature, is ever acceptable to God. The righteousness of Christ in the form of that wedding garment isn't a cloak to cover sin, any more than the fig leaves were sufficient to disguise Adam's and Eve's disobedience.’’’
It’s remarkable, I have seen far more blatant sinning in your church than any other church I ha e been to in over forty years, and that is the truth. How can there be so much ignorance of what obeying the TC entails? The law within is the greater convictor of sin, not law written in ink!!!
And FYI, I have witnessed personally what many in your church believe of a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law. I told one woman the believer has no righteousnerss of obeying the TC. She shook her head and burst out laughing.
On the internet Iv often heard sda members state. ''We know our righteousness is obeying the TC
A few come on the internet for the first time, and blatantly state that, unaware I assume that to do so can be immediatley shot down. So, seasoned sda members word it differently, such as
''Obedience to the TC proves your love for God, so, if you don't obey them you don't love God and cannot be saved.
'Or
'You are not righteousness by obeying the TC, but if the TC are not obeyed you cannot enter Heaven
Or
We have no righteousness of obeying the TC, but if through faith you do not obey the TC you cannot enter heaven. etc, etc, etc
In other words, you will only have righteousness before God if you obey the TC
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You really do not understand the NC do you. It is no longer a law written in ink, but one written by the Spirit on tablets of human hearts. And Paul tells us we would not even need to read/know of biblical law to show the requirements of the law are in our hearts. There is the natural mind of man, and spiritual truth. Here's a testimony.
When I was young I would read my bible during the sermon in church(I was young and the sermons were long) And, I would read of the TC, and it baffled me as to why the Tenth one was there. I could understand the importance of others, but not that one. I figured God added it at the end to make the number up to ten. But in those days, I only thought by reading the commandment it related to material things, like not desiring your neighbours nice house or car. Though I knew you should not do that, it hardly seemed important compared to the other nine.
However, once I reached puberty, I instinctively knew in my heart and mind impure thoughts were sin. I will put this in block capitals for you. BUT AT THAT TIME, I STILL ONLY RELATED THE TENTH COMMANDMENT TO REFERRING TO MATERIAl GOODS. You see, the greater witness comes from within, not reading law written in ink.
Again, when I first joined internet debating websites, I could not even remember what all of the TC were. So, for the purpose of debate I read up on them. It struck me, that in my mind I already believed nine as written should be reflected in my life and in my heart I wanted them to be.
You have a religion sadly, withnout the fulness of the Holy Spirit, you can only accept what your intellectual mind will accept
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Well, if you had any understanding you would know the word satan is used of someone who is an adversary to another.
Let the Word of God school you for a moment.
But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” Matt 16:23
Christ here provides you the definition of the word satan by saying "the things of man" - the adversary was not Peter being some pure evil supernatural being but by using the the mind of the flesh he as being an adversary to Christ.
Just in case your comprehension is not so good I colour coded the Lord's definition for you.
Can you see how your above comment makes no sense whatsoever!
If we used the Lord's teaching you would be saying I am promoting fleshly thinking.
So "you" say!
There are many so called lambs who cannnot give a reason for the hope which is in them and even more who cannot prove their false teachings. Rather than wasting your energy on being astounded, try to put forth your evidence and see where that takes you!
Angels don't marry, don't procreate, can't sin and don't die!
for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:36
Wages of sin is death as per Romans 6:23 but Angels cannot die - they are Spirit and are not doubleminded like you!
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matt 22:30
Your comments are so foolish they should be an embarrassment to you.
This post was just terrible! You would be better taking up mysticism than calling yourself a Christian.
I suggest you study Greek Mythology to see how you arrived at your beliefs
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Brakelite
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No-one is to look to the law of God for salvation. The law will always point us to Christ. How so? It exposes our sin, and convicts us of our need of a Saviour. And what does our Saviour do? Does He take the law away so we feel better about ourselves? Does He discard the one law that signifies our surrender to His authority? No. He forgives. He stands before His Father and pleads our case on account of the fact that we are now justified by His blood. Christ now stands before the Father, and declares to the universe that the law no longer has any hold on us, that we are free from all condemnation. All present joys and blessings are due to the cross of Christ, without which mankind would have perished long ago. Christ died for the ungodly. If it were not so, if we needed credentials, qualifications, works, it would no longer be a free gift. As all were in Adam and under condemnation, so now all are in Christ.
He then imparts grace and strength so that we may overcome. We are changed into the likeness of Christ. When we learn of the will of God for us: when we are convicted of habits and addictions and sin previously unknown to us: or we read scripture, the foundation of our faith and practise and discover truths to which we were ignorant and blind to, it is still not us who are to do what the Lord pleases. According to scripture, it is the word itself that accomplishes that which the Lord pleases.
“22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. ”
Isaiah 45:22-25 KJV
“22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ”
Ezekiel 36:22-27 KJV
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. ”
Isaiah 55:11 KJV
We are not to read or hear the word of God and say, "I must do that, I will do that". Such bold promises were the fault of Israel in the old covenant, which was why the new covenant was promised, that if we open our hearts and surrender to God, the word of God itself is to do it. We need to let it. That's righteousness by faith.
"Let the word of God dwell in you richly in all wisdom..." Col.3:16
“3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. ”
1 John 2:3-5 KJV
“But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. ”
Luke 8:15 KJV
“24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. ”
Romans 3:24-26 KJV
The best efforts of sinful man cannot produce righteousness. The only way is as a gift.
The above is the everlasting gospel as taught officially by the Seventh Day Adventist church. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise, either by word or experience that they believe contradicts the above.
He then imparts grace and strength so that we may overcome. We are changed into the likeness of Christ. When we learn of the will of God for us: when we are convicted of habits and addictions and sin previously unknown to us: or we read scripture, the foundation of our faith and practise and discover truths to which we were ignorant and blind to, it is still not us who are to do what the Lord pleases. According to scripture, it is the word itself that accomplishes that which the Lord pleases.
“22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. ”
Isaiah 45:22-25 KJV
“22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ”
Ezekiel 36:22-27 KJV
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. ”
Isaiah 55:11 KJV
We are not to read or hear the word of God and say, "I must do that, I will do that". Such bold promises were the fault of Israel in the old covenant, which was why the new covenant was promised, that if we open our hearts and surrender to God, the word of God itself is to do it. We need to let it. That's righteousness by faith.
"Let the word of God dwell in you richly in all wisdom..." Col.3:16
“3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. ”
1 John 2:3-5 KJV
“But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. ”
Luke 8:15 KJV
“24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. ”
Romans 3:24-26 KJV
The best efforts of sinful man cannot produce righteousness. The only way is as a gift.
The above is the everlasting gospel as taught officially by the Seventh Day Adventist church. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise, either by word or experience that they believe contradicts the above.
As you didnt respond to the following, I will repost it:
to emphasise just how far away you and your church are from the spiritual message of Paul. Paul's core message, that he endlessly repeated was
'You must die to the law/TC, you are released from the law/TC/it is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. You can have no righteousness of obeying that law'
And yet, we have a church denomination that endlessly repeats:
You must obey the TC, and if you do not you cannot enter heaven, thereby, ensuring righteousness before God hinges on obeying that law.
You do not understand Paul's message, I will prove it to you
Why is the power of sin the law? 1Cor15:56
Why are sinfull passions aroused in us by the TC if we live under them?(Rom7:5)
How or why was sin able to take occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of concupiscence in Saul the pharisee? Rom7:7&8)
You quote the letters of someone you do not understand
Well you and everyone in your church transgresses the TC. Sadly, none of you ever admit it. You just insist everyone else must obey them. May I ask? How is that any different from the Phairsees of Jesus day?
They inisted the people fully obey the law, when they did not obey it themselves. They cleaned the outside of the cup, but on the inside they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean.
Turning up for church each week immaculately dressed, and obeying outwardly was not enough for Jesus.
Why did Jesus reserve his harshest words for the Pharisees? They showed no love to their neighbour by insisting of them what they did not insist of themselves. Obey the law or perish. People got crushed, oppressed and downtrodden:
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 1John3:23
Carry each others burdens,(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Rom13:9&10
You will always stand guilty before the law, and, there is no love of your neighbour in keep insisting of them what you do not insist of yourself.
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Brakelite
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What desperation is revealed by those who completely ignore one's post that answers all previous challenges, and proceeds to double down on his prejudiced inferences based on some unconfirmed hearsay experiences, and condemns an entire 25 million membership of partaking of his straw men accusations.
All sda members insist ''you must obey the TC''
No desperation there, just a plain fact. Your post addressed nothing written, just a standard evasion
Yet Paul relentlessly states you must die to the law, you are released from the law, you can have no righteousness of obeying the very law sda members keep insisting you must obey.
To use that phrase is to at the very least imply righteousness hinges on the law Paul referred to as the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation.
I know you try and skillfully word it, that a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law. But, as everything for sda members hinges on obeying the TC, the practical reality is not the ''pat sentances''
The law is not based on faith Gal3:12
To even state ''you must obey the TC'' is OC. The law is now an internal law, not an external law, it is part of a persons spiritual dna in Christ. You cannot ignore what is in your most inward parts, it is constantly with you.
The people that water down the TC to suit there own convenience are those who look to an external law written in ink, they do it all the time. If they did not, they would stop using that phrase!
You have nowhere near answered all challenges. According to you and your denomination the NT church must have given gentiles a licence to sin. You cannot address that can you. Most of the time you just ignore what I write, and just make the same old statements that are no ones reality.
Neither can you respond to the request to explain three scriptures of Paul's, back to Rom7:6
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Brakelite
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And almost everyone else, including you, says they are optional. What you deny is the fact that the law that was written on stone is the same one that is written on the heart. But God writes nothing on the heart you don't want. He doesn't force or coerce your will. However much of your heart you want to give, He accepts. However much you want to retain, He doesn't take. It's up to you how wide you open the door.
But you don't believe anything I say, just a standard evasion. This conversation is over.
Oh there is no evasion, apart from yours. Let me repeat, you and your denomination do not agree with the first century church as to what is and what is not applicable law. You just ignore, and evade that truth every time it is put to you What is in your mind you in your mind must know, what is in your heart MUST bring heartfelt conviction of sin if you ''wilfully'' transgress it. That is based on scripture verses your denomination loves to quote.
God writes nothing on the heart you don't want? That is a ludicrous statement! God does it at conversion, it is not up to the believer what is placed within them.
However, you still rely on a written law to convict you of which law to follow, that is not where the law now is for the believer. (2Cor3:3) You cannot understand Paul's words. If you have never known of biblical law you can show the requirments of the law are written on your heart, obviously by the way you act
How much conviction do people in your denomination have of sin concerning the TC by looking to a writtren law? Less than in any other church I have ever been to. That is why you keep insisting the TC must be obeyed, you appear to have very little understanding of what that involves. People who have and rely on a law in their hearts and minds cannot be in such ignorance of that law, for there is no hiding from it. They never could consider it optional. You do not understand the outworking of the core foundation upon which the NC stands
There is no biblical mandate under the NC era, to follow a set saturday sabbath, none whatsoever. Only your intellectual mind leads you that belief.
You will always be guilty where the law is concerned, Im suprised you do not know that. So, you and your denomination keep insisting people obey the very law Paul keeps stressing believers must die to, they are released from, they can have no righteousness of obeying, law that is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
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Brakelite
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Wrong. There may be many things in the human heart of which we are unaware. Sanctification is an ongoing process, God will not chase away all the enemy, our "personal demons" so to speak, overnight. Conversion doors bring us a radical change of mind whereby sin becomes distasteful, and righteousness desirable. We learn over time to hate the things God hates, and love the things God loves. So no. We don't fully appreciate the depths and nuances of God's Law all at once, and how deep in our hearts runs the current of rebellion. Little by little God reveals His character to us. And little by little we assimilate that character into our own lives.
For He hath made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin: that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Cor. 5:21.
As you have mentored before, sin is the transgression of the law. The above text reveals the stark contrast between what we are before Christ changes our hearts, and what is possible through faith in the future.
“7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. ”
Romans 8:7-10 KJV
Do you believe scripture Silas? Your carnal mind is at enmity with God because of disobedience. But a converted mind? A converted mind, infused with the power, the grace, and the divine nature (2 Peter 1:3,4) , in other words in Christ (Col.1:27), is able to overcome all sin, be freed from all habits and addictions, and walk as Jesus walked.
PS. I am happy to discuss Bible truth and theology with you. To do so for me is a delight and as Jeremiah said, “Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay."
Jeremiah 20:9 KJV
However. I will not go down the paths of condemnation and accusation that so proliferated your earlier posts to me. Hearsay and unprovable accusations against my church is unacceptable. It is also against forum rules.
Why did Satan tempt Jesus?
After Jesus's baptism He came to where He ended up being tempted by Satan: He was clean, but one is never clean enough with regard to God, and the humility in saying: "I am a man and a sinner" is already a baptism which makes the heart clean. Jesus had been called "the Lamb of God" by the holy prophet who saw the Truth and saw the Spirit descend upon the Word and anoint Him with its chrism of love, while the voice of the Father filled the Heavens saying: "This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased." After being baptized, although He was clean both by His nature and by appearance, He wanted to "prepare". Jesus the Master, Who although was the Messiah, did not consider Himself superior to man, on the contrary, knowing He was the Man, He wanted to be so in everything, except in yielding to evil. Exactly so.
If one wants to prepare to be a teacher one must have been a pupil. Jesus, as God, knew everything. His intelligence enabled Him to understand also the struggles of man, both by intellectual power and in an intellectual way, that is without any practical experience. But then some poor friend of His, some poor son of His, could have said to Him: "You do not know what it is to be a man and have senses and passions." And it would have been a fair reproach. He came there, or rather on that mountain, to prepare...not only for His mission...but also for temptation. By whom? By a mortal being? No. His power would have been too limited. He was tempted by Satan himself.
Jesus was exhausted. He had not eaten for forty days...But while He was engrossed in prayer, everything had been forgotten in the joy of speaking to God, rather than forgotten, it had been made endurable. He felt it as a discomfort of a material nature, confined to matter only...He then came back to the world...He was back in the ways of the world...And He felt the needs of those who are in the world. He was hungry. He was thirsty. He felt the biting cold of the desert night. His body was worn out with lack of rest, of a bed and with a long journey made in such a state of weariness that He could go no farther...
Because He is made of flesh too. Real flesh. And His flesh is subject to the weakness common to all the flesh. And, with His flesh, He has a heart. Yes, He took the first and second of the three parts that form man. He took the physical part with all its needs and the morals with their passions. And whilst, with His will, He subdued all the bad passions at birth, He let the holy passions grow like mighty age-old cedars, that is filial love, love for the fatherland, friendship, work, everything that is best and holy. And there He felt nostalgia for His far away Mother, there He felt the need of Her care for His human frailty, there He felt once again the pain of parting from the Only One Who loved Him with perfect love, there He realized what sorrow is laid aside for Him and He was grieved at Her sorrows, poor Mother, Who will have to shed so many tears for Her Son and because of the wickedness of men, that She will be left tearless. And there He experienced the weariness of the hero and of the ascetic who in an hour of forewarning realize the uselessness of their efforts...He cried...Sadness...a lure for Satan. It is not a sin to be sad in painful circumstances. It is a sin to go beyond sadness and fall into inertness and despair.
But Satan comes at once when he sees anyone in spiritual languor.
He came. Dressed as a kind traveler. He always takes a kind appearance....Jesus was hungry...and thirty years old. He offered to help Him. First he said to Him: "Tell these stones to become bread." But before...yes...even before, he spoke to Him about woman. Oh! He knows how to speak of her. He knows her very well. He corrupted her first, to make her his ally in corruption. Jesus is not only the Son of God. He is also Jesus, the workman of Nazareth. The act subsides when satisfied. A rejected temptation does not fade away, but becomes stronger also because Satan instigates it. Jesus resisted the temptation both of lust of woman and hunger for bread. And you must know that Satan proposed woman to Him as the best ally to succeed in the world, and he was quite right, from a human point of view.
Temptation did not give up because of Jesus's remark: "Man does not live on his senses only" and he spoke to Him of His mission. He wanted to seduce the Messiah after failing with the young Man. And he incited Him to crush the unworthy ministers of the Temple with a miracle...A miracle, the fire of Heaven, is not to be bent to form a wicker wreath to crown ourselves...And we must not put God to the test, asking for miracles for human purposes. That is what Satan wanted. The reason was: "Boast of being the Messiah", as he wanted to lead Jesus to another lust: the lust for pride. He was not daunted by His reply: "You must not put the Lord your God to the test" and he circumvented Him with the third power of his nature: gold. Oh! gold. Bread is a great thing, and woman an even greater one for those longing for food or pleasure. To be acclaimed by the crowds is a very great thing for man. How many crimes are committed for these three things! But gold...gold! It is a key that opens, a circle that joins, it is the beginning and end of ninety-nine of human actions. For bread and a woman man becomes a thief. For power he becomes also a murderer. But for gold he becomes an idolator. The king of gold, Satan, offered Jesus his gold if He adored him. Jesus pierced him with the eternal words: "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only".
Then the angels of the Lord came...The Man had won the treble battle. The Man knew what it meant to be a man and had won. He was exhausted. The struggle had been more exhausting than the long fast...But the spirit was triumphant...Now, by defeating the animal nature connected with man's nature, Jesus was the Man-God. And He is. And as God He is omnipotent. And as Man He is omniscient. Do as He did, if you want to do what He did. And do it in memory of Him.
Jesus asks us to do the same in His memory and to win as He did. And never doubt His nature of true Man and true God, seeing how strong He was in all the temptations of life, and how He won the battles of the five senses, of sensuality and of sentiments. Remember all that.
Jesus is the Man above senses, selfishness, hatred, the Man Who had to be tempted by all sorts of people to take vengeance, to seek power, to wish for the honest delights of marriage and family life, the Man Who had to put up with everything living in the world and suffer by it, because infinite was the distance between the imperfection and sin of the world and His Perfection, the Man Who replied "No" to all the voices, to all the allurements, to all the reactions of the world, of Satan and of His human ego. And He remained pure, loyal, merciful, humble, obedient even to death on a Cross.
After Jesus's baptism He came to where He ended up being tempted by Satan: He was clean, but one is never clean enough with regard to God, and the humility in saying: "I am a man and a sinner" is already a baptism which makes the heart clean. Jesus had been called "the Lamb of God" by the holy prophet who saw the Truth and saw the Spirit descend upon the Word and anoint Him with its chrism of love, while the voice of the Father filled the Heavens saying: "This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased." After being baptized, although He was clean both by His nature and by appearance, He wanted to "prepare". Jesus the Master, Who although was the Messiah, did not consider Himself superior to man, on the contrary, knowing He was the Man, He wanted to be so in everything, except in yielding to evil. Exactly so.
If one wants to prepare to be a teacher one must have been a pupil. Jesus, as God, knew everything. His intelligence enabled Him to understand also the struggles of man, both by intellectual power and in an intellectual way, that is without any practical experience. But then some poor friend of His, some poor son of His, could have said to Him: "You do not know what it is to be a man and have senses and passions." And it would have been a fair reproach. He came there, or rather on that mountain, to prepare...not only for His mission...but also for temptation. By whom? By a mortal being? No. His power would have been too limited. He was tempted by Satan himself.
Jesus was exhausted. He had not eaten for forty days...But while He was engrossed in prayer, everything had been forgotten in the joy of speaking to God, rather than forgotten, it had been made endurable. He felt it as a discomfort of a material nature, confined to matter only...He then came back to the world...He was back in the ways of the world...And He felt the needs of those who are in the world. He was hungry. He was thirsty. He felt the biting cold of the desert night. His body was worn out with lack of rest, of a bed and with a long journey made in such a state of weariness that He could go no farther...
Because He is made of flesh too. Real flesh. And His flesh is subject to the weakness common to all the flesh. And, with His flesh, He has a heart. Yes, He took the first and second of the three parts that form man. He took the physical part with all its needs and the morals with their passions. And whilst, with His will, He subdued all the bad passions at birth, He let the holy passions grow like mighty age-old cedars, that is filial love, love for the fatherland, friendship, work, everything that is best and holy. And there He felt nostalgia for His far away Mother, there He felt the need of Her care for His human frailty, there He felt once again the pain of parting from the Only One Who loved Him with perfect love, there He realized what sorrow is laid aside for Him and He was grieved at Her sorrows, poor Mother, Who will have to shed so many tears for Her Son and because of the wickedness of men, that She will be left tearless. And there He experienced the weariness of the hero and of the ascetic who in an hour of forewarning realize the uselessness of their efforts...He cried...Sadness...a lure for Satan. It is not a sin to be sad in painful circumstances. It is a sin to go beyond sadness and fall into inertness and despair.
But Satan comes at once when he sees anyone in spiritual languor.
He came. Dressed as a kind traveler. He always takes a kind appearance....Jesus was hungry...and thirty years old. He offered to help Him. First he said to Him: "Tell these stones to become bread." But before...yes...even before, he spoke to Him about woman. Oh! He knows how to speak of her. He knows her very well. He corrupted her first, to make her his ally in corruption. Jesus is not only the Son of God. He is also Jesus, the workman of Nazareth. The act subsides when satisfied. A rejected temptation does not fade away, but becomes stronger also because Satan instigates it. Jesus resisted the temptation both of lust of woman and hunger for bread. And you must know that Satan proposed woman to Him as the best ally to succeed in the world, and he was quite right, from a human point of view.
Temptation did not give up because of Jesus's remark: "Man does not live on his senses only" and he spoke to Him of His mission. He wanted to seduce the Messiah after failing with the young Man. And he incited Him to crush the unworthy ministers of the Temple with a miracle...A miracle, the fire of Heaven, is not to be bent to form a wicker wreath to crown ourselves...And we must not put God to the test, asking for miracles for human purposes. That is what Satan wanted. The reason was: "Boast of being the Messiah", as he wanted to lead Jesus to another lust: the lust for pride. He was not daunted by His reply: "You must not put the Lord your God to the test" and he circumvented Him with the third power of his nature: gold. Oh! gold. Bread is a great thing, and woman an even greater one for those longing for food or pleasure. To be acclaimed by the crowds is a very great thing for man. How many crimes are committed for these three things! But gold...gold! It is a key that opens, a circle that joins, it is the beginning and end of ninety-nine of human actions. For bread and a woman man becomes a thief. For power he becomes also a murderer. But for gold he becomes an idolator. The king of gold, Satan, offered Jesus his gold if He adored him. Jesus pierced him with the eternal words: "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only".
Then the angels of the Lord came...The Man had won the treble battle. The Man knew what it meant to be a man and had won. He was exhausted. The struggle had been more exhausting than the long fast...But the spirit was triumphant...Now, by defeating the animal nature connected with man's nature, Jesus was the Man-God. And He is. And as God He is omnipotent. And as Man He is omniscient. Do as He did, if you want to do what He did. And do it in memory of Him.
Jesus asks us to do the same in His memory and to win as He did. And never doubt His nature of true Man and true God, seeing how strong He was in all the temptations of life, and how He won the battles of the five senses, of sensuality and of sentiments. Remember all that.
Jesus is the Man above senses, selfishness, hatred, the Man Who had to be tempted by all sorts of people to take vengeance, to seek power, to wish for the honest delights of marriage and family life, the Man Who had to put up with everything living in the world and suffer by it, because infinite was the distance between the imperfection and sin of the world and His Perfection, the Man Who replied "No" to all the voices, to all the allurements, to all the reactions of the world, of Satan and of His human ego. And He remained pure, loyal, merciful, humble, obedient even to death on a Cross.
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