Why do people desire for the end times to be for today? Serious Inquirey
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Hello Iforrest,
While I support you to be able have all that seen in your life.
What do you make of Jesus Christ, saying that his kingdom in not of this world (John 18:36), and what are your thoughts on a few other scriptures that pertain to this?
This is not to shoot you or anyone's beliefs down, just a consideration, as you know a horrible one time event is bad enough but a second one doesn't seem fair, as it was only a one time event.
I fully believe that God loves every single person on the planet today - irrespective of race, irrespective of just or unjust - God still sends the rain down on everyone and will raise up everyone at the end of life.
All in respect and love,
Matthew
Some other scriptures to consider when it comes to the end times.
The writer of Hebrews professed that they were in the last times, it was also foretold in the very beginning to Jacob. The last days seem to have been started right at the beginning of Acts, when Peter states to the people he is around in Acts 2 - the prophecy of Isaiah.
However that is up for you to decide if that is true or not,
All in love, and respect towards all people and all the differing views,
Matthew
The writer of Hebrews professed that they were in the last times, it was also foretold in the very beginning to Jacob. The last days seem to have been started right at the beginning of Acts, when Peter states to the people he is around in Acts 2 - the prophecy of Isaiah.
However that is up for you to decide if that is true or not,
All in love, and respect towards all people and all the differing views,
Matthew
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The advancement of the Kingdom on earth is in step with the presence of the Holy Spirit. And his people born of the Spirit constitute his temples, and carry his presence.
Suppose all the temples fall or are removed, and the knowledge of God suppressed such that those born under this worldly system are doomed from the start. Will God stand by and do nothing while unprofitable generation after generation is born and dies? No, he will step in and remedy the situation.
The world under Satan's rule will not be permitted to last forever.
@Iforrest,
That doesnt answer my question with the provided verses but you can have your opinion and i respect you for that.
Paul quoted to the Romes that Satan would be crushed soon, but i guess we still have to wait another 1000 years.
I guess also Jesus was a liar, his kingdom is on this earth or gonna come to it. I thought it was the heart where he rules. Which the hope is to get to the kingdom of heaven after this life.
Dont know, but all the best,
Matthew
BarneyFife
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A lot of questions...
Jesus is coming soon
The signs of the times show that Jesus is coming soon. There are eight points you need to know about His coming: 1. More angels that you can count are coming with the Lord. 2. He is coming in the clouds, and every eye shall see Him. 3. The dead in Christ rise first. 4. The righteous living are caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. 5. The wicked living are destroyed. 6. The wicked dead stay in the grave 1,000 years. 7. The righteous reign with Christ in heaven 1,000 years. 8. Christ will not touch the earth till after the 1,000 years, when sin and sinners have been destroyed and the earth is purified.
| 1. Joel 2:3 | 5. Matt. 24:3-7 | 9. John 14:2, 3 | |||
| 2. 2 Tim. 3:1-5 | 6. Matt. 24:14 | 10. Matt. 24:44 | |||
| 3. 2 Peter 3:3, 4 | 7. Rom. 1:29-31 | 11. Matt. 25:31 | |||
| 4. Dan. 12:4 | 8. Matt. 24:32-38 | 12. Matt. 24:30, 31 |
During the 1,000 years
The 1000 years in heaven will be spent in vindicating God. The saints will look through the books and judge the wicked dead, who have already sealed their destiny. Satan will be as if he is bound on this earth with no one to tempt during the millennium.
| 1. Rev 20:1-3 | 4. 1 Cor. 6:2, 3 | 7. Rev. 20:7, 8 | |||
| 2. Jer. 4:23-27 | 5. Zech 14:4, 5 | 8. Rev. 21:1, 27 | |||
| 3. Rev. 20:4 | 6. Rev. 21:2 |
The New Jerusalem
After 1000 years, God's people descend from heaven with the New Jerusalem. The wicked are raised and, during their attack on the Holy City, are destroyed in a rain of fire and brimstone. God then creates a beautiful new earth for the redeemed saints.
| 1. 1 Cor. 3:12 | 5. Psalm 16:11 | 9. Gen. 3:22 | |||
| 2. Isa. 66:22, 23 | 6. Matt. 5:5 | 10. Rev. 22:1, 2 | |||
| 3. Rev. 21:1-4 | 7. Isa. 40:31 | 11. Mal. 4:2 | |||
| 4. 1 Cor. 2:9 | 8. Isa. 35:5, 6 | 12. Isa. 35:1 |
Cool its been a 1000 years already.A lot of questions...
Jesus is coming soon
The signs of the times show that Jesus is coming soon. There are eight points you need to know about His coming: 1. More angels that you can count are coming with the Lord. 2. He is coming in the clouds, and every eye shall see Him. 3. The dead in Christ rise first. 4. The righteous living are caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. 5. The wicked living are destroyed. 6. The wicked dead stay in the grave 1,000 years. 7. The righteous reign with Christ in heaven 1,000 years. 8. Christ will not touch the earth till after the 1,000 years, when sin and sinners have been destroyed and the earth is purified.
1. Joel 2:3 5. Matt. 24:3-7 9. John 14:2, 3 2. 2 Tim. 3:1-5 6. Matt. 24:14 10. Matt. 24:44 3. 2 Peter 3:3, 4 7. Rom. 1:29-31 11. Matt. 25:31 4. Dan. 12:4 8. Matt. 24:32-38 12. Matt. 24:30, 31
During the 1,000 years
The 1000 years in heaven will be spent in vindicating God. The saints will look through the books and judge the wicked dead, who have already sealed their destiny. Satan will be as if he is bound on this earth with no one to tempt during the millennium.
1. Rev 20:1-3 4. 1 Cor. 6:2, 3 7. Rev. 20:7, 8 2. Jer. 4:23-27 5. Zech 14:4, 5 8. Rev. 21:1, 27 3. Rev. 20:4 6. Rev. 21:2
The New Jerusalem
After 1000 years, God's people descend from heaven with the New Jerusalem. The wicked are raised and, during their attack on the Holy City, are destroyed in a rain of fire and brimstone. God then creates a beautiful new earth for the redeemed saints.
1. 1 Cor. 3:12 5. Psalm 16:11 9. Gen. 3:22 2. Isa. 66:22, 23 6. Matt. 5:5 10. Rev. 22:1, 2 3. Rev. 21:1-4 7. Isa. 40:31 11. Mal. 4:2 4. 1 Cor. 2:9 8. Isa. 35:5, 6 12. Isa. 35:1
I guess people just …
Expect him to come back soon…
Idk why, he did come already as promised,
All in love and respect,
Matthew
Wrangler
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Ever see the movie Green Mile? In it a divine man, wrongly accused of a double murder, wanted to be put to death. His reason is that he is tired of all the ugliness, the hate and the evil in the world.
I ask how could anyone who loves justice NOT want Jesus to reign now?
Im not against people who expect and wait, thats great; you do what you need to.
However those who are serious about learning about the end times really need to not just go along with what people say.
You should be encouraged to read your biblr and look at all the scriptures that deal with this topic,
Many people become lazy and complancet,
Thats not good.
Thompson Chain reference bible is good place to stsrt..,
All
The best,
Matthew
Im all in support of justice being meted out over evil.
Thats why prison systems exists.
All the best,
Matthew
However those who are serious about learning about the end times really need to not just go along with what people say.
You should be encouraged to read your biblr and look at all the scriptures that deal with this topic,
Many people become lazy and complancet,
Thats not good.
Thompson Chain reference bible is good place to stsrt..,
All
The best,
Matthew
He does reign in the hear of believers.
Im all in support of justice being meted out over evil.
Thats why prison systems exists.
All the best,
Matthew
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You listed quite a few scriptures and I don't necessarily get why anything I said would be a contradiction.
Paul's mention of Satan being crushed under foot, could easily mean a single victory granted to the recipients of that letter. And he was invoking eternal victory Christ has won as a means of encouragement.
I don't limit the Kingdom of God to the confines of the human heart. While it may be in the heart it is also stated to not be of this world. And our hearts are currently in this world.
The Kingdom is still the Throne of God afterall. Access to the Kingdom is through the Holy Spirit, who dwells within the heart.
Wrangler
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Huh? I guess you fooled me twice. Shame on me. I thought you were asking a serious question; not desiring to pontificate using a question as a hook. Said differently, there realy is no relationship beween A and B.
A. Why people desire for the end times to be for today.
B. Not going along with what people say.
Sounds like you are projecting, flipping between "you" and "people."
BarneyFife
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Unless that person just happens to be Dr. Frank Charles Thompson?
Not busting on TCR—I love it—but this idea that people study the Bible without influence or help from others just puzzles me.
Virtually, if not literally, no one does so.
Challenging. I was talking general by the way in the very first senetence before commenting on you.
Sorry if you were offended, or found it perplexing.
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No one said, - never consider what any person ever says.
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Okay.
People dont like to go against their normal already conceived views and it sokay.
Love is what is important over all,
not condemning or threatening peoples lives with hell fire and brimestone.
Especially older folks,
To challenge their already believed ideas and notions on aspects like the end times, or the return of Christ,
is almost like disobeying their father or their mother.
No one here has said that no one is a Christian or that because you dont believe like me your not saved, but people do talk,
that boy crazy, he the son of the devil, he trying to get people to believe JEsus Christ has already came back as promised,
he obivously decieved.
No one ever said to not consider what man says either - but don't trust man, trust God.
And if you trust God? Why not believe in his promises to the people who were promised to be taken away from a HORRIBLE event that happened in 70AD?
Idk? But death is horrible in general and human beings create mass genocides, and that is looked as the devils work. But is it really the devils work? Cain murdered without the influence of Satan.
To challenge their already believed ideas and notions on aspects like the end times, or the return of Christ,
is almost like disobeying their father or their mother.
No one here has said that no one is a Christian or that because you dont believe like me your not saved, but people do talk,
that boy crazy, he the son of the devil, he trying to get people to believe JEsus Christ has already came back as promised,
he obivously decieved.
No one ever said to not consider what man says either - but don't trust man, trust God.
And if you trust God? Why not believe in his promises to the people who were promised to be taken away from a HORRIBLE event that happened in 70AD?
Idk? But death is horrible in general and human beings create mass genocides, and that is looked as the devils work. But is it really the devils work? Cain murdered without the influence of Satan.
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BarneyFife
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Would you agree, then, that there are varying degrees between these two levels of influence?
And, if so, where do we draw the line?
I'm trying to look at this practically—not start a debate.
BarneyWould you agree, then, that there are varying degrees between these two levels of influence?
And, if so, where do we draw the line?
I'm trying to look at this practically—not start a debate.
The line in the sand would be the spirit.
Can a person love?
And does the doctrine they are looking into - start to cause non-agape love.
People (myself) can be very stern, i dont mean to try to be mean or mock or insult anyone, if i do thats my flesh and not the spirit.
Challenge is what all people need, it makes them think, critcally.
But normally for some on forums it becomes a knife wielding battle to the death, and non love forms.
Thats what all of us by the spirit should try to avoid.
Agape love also is not a feeling.
Its just a straight up action and many people may not know that or they have not be taught properly in the context of looking at 1 Corinthians 13,
@BarneyFife.
Its just a straight up action and many people may not know that or they have not be taught properly in the context of looking at 1 Corinthians 13,
@BarneyFife.
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