Big Boy Johnson
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So I cannot speak for anyone else. Perhaps YOU can lose your salvation (what do I know about such things). However, I can state as FACT that I CANNOT lose my salvation ... I know because I tried. God would not allow it.
IF you would have died during your rebellion against the Lord... you would have gone to hell.
The Lord was gracious and pursued you because you were still young in the faith and your rebellion was in ignorance. His pursuit of you was to PREVENT you from going to hell by convincing you to come back to the Lord. You were smart enough to say yes... not all people say yes and come back.
Make no mistake... when you were in rebellion against the Lord and were not abiding in Him... you were on your way to hell during that time.
Your experience is similar to mine, except for I did not accuse the Lord of not holding up His end of the deal... I blamed myself for continually falling in the sin when I was young in the faith and since Jesus said He would rather we be either hot or cold (Revelation 3:15-16), I simply quit going to church as to not be a hypocrite and spent a while back doing dope, getting drunk, and pleasuring hot young women.
Just like you, if I had died during this time I would have gone straight to hell... but in my situation I kept thinking about the Lord and how what I was doing was sinful and wrong and I needed to repent and get right with the Lord. It's called bacsliding and it's a biblical thing (Israel backslid and got destroyed!)
Notice in Jesus's teaching about the prodigal son... the Father said his son was dead and when the son returned he was alive again. Yes, the Father still loved the son while he was dead and gone, but none the less he considered him to be dead because the son CHOSE to turn and walk away
Yes many have storied like this and many repent and return to God but some let this kind of thing harden their heart so mush that when God says no to them they refuse him and carry on. Yes God is always working with us to strengthen us but some get so hardened that God lets them to their way
Exactly!
I've known people that were born again, quit living in sin, loving the Lord... but the enemy tricks them in to blaming God of wrong doing or they hold a grudge against someone refusing to believe and they refuse to repent of their sins and they keep walking in darkness... and their heart gets hardened and they don't want the Lord anymore.
It's false doctrine to say this can never happen to someone who has been legitimately born again... it can and does happen! Many hear the OSAS message think they don't have to repent and they can just continue living in sin and they'll be saved anyway which is why OSAS doctrine is so hideous and is one of satan's most effective tool for deception!
God WILL chasten us as needed, and His chastening WILL BE effective.
So, if someone turns away from the Lord... you believe His is going to override the free will He decided to give them and... FORCE them to come back to Him???
If God can do that, then it's obvious He would FORCE the entire world to get saved... and curiously He has not done that.
Each person must decide whether they accept His correction and come back to Him or not...
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