Though I hesitate to call it gibberish, this seems to be the case in practice in the real world. Meaning seems to be relative outside of math, the sciences, and some linguistics.Otherwise 'meaning' degenerates into opinion and relative gibberish.
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Though I hesitate to call it gibberish, this seems to be the case in practice in the real world. Meaning seems to be relative outside of math, the sciences, and some linguistics.Otherwise 'meaning' degenerates into opinion and relative gibberish.
I'm not Truman but I think that this verse may help:Mr. Truman, I can respect your answer if I were asking 'why you believe in the Lord you believe in', but that's not what I asked. I asked why you believe the Biblical accounts to be true.
Yes.I'm not sure I follow. Are you asking how presumed knowledge can be tested?
While reading the bible, I've had supernatural experiences happen to me.Mr. Truman, I can respect your answer if I were asking 'why you believe in the Lord you believe in', but that's not what I asked. I asked why you believe the Biblical accounts to be true.
in short...It's a work of the Holy Spirit (the Author of Scripture) who convicts us of it's truth as well as illuminate our understanding of His Word. We can't take any 'intellectual' credit...nor ought we belittle others for not believing.I'm not sure if I'm asking either. What I can tell you I am asking is WHY do you believe the scriptural accounts written by men to be credible as words from deity?
It's not about being happy not knowing. Instead it's about NOT forming a conclusion that fills in the knowledge gap without have verifiable, testable, reality-based evidence.
What is this way of life that you are referring to?
Some things in the Biblical writings are obviously true, while others are not, and others are far fetched/miraculous and not substantiated. Basically, writings in the books of the Bible are a lots of things, ranging from inspiring to repulsive and wise to questionable. Personally I like the book, but I don't find it to be credible as the "Word of God".The rest of us fall in between somewhere, and if your thinking is that the Bible obviously is not true, then we'll have a very different conversation than if your thinking is more along the lines of, it makes some sense, but is there any evidence?
I think this is a purely subjective experience for you. If you are truly on a search for reality, it is you who must become certain of what you find. That certainty will only exist as a subjective experience for you.Just to clarify, we're talking absolute meaning, not absolute truths as many truths are demonstrable, testable, and able to be verified, thus qualifying them to be considered as absolute truths. As far as meaning is concerned for the sake of this discussion, it lives more in the subjective realm as it is dictated by many subjective pillars like culture, personal sensitivities, upbringing, education, preferences, etc. This subjective meaning is not so much meaningless, but more so situationally ascribed by by an individual, a group, or even a society.
I appreciate your clarity!Personally I like the book, but I don't find it to be credible as the "Word of God".
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I'm not sure if I'm asking either. What I can tell you I am asking is WHY do you believe the scriptural accounts written by men to be credible as words from deity?
in short...It's a work of the Holy Spirit (the Author of Scripture) who convicts us of it's truth as well as illuminate our understanding of His Word. We can't take any 'intellectual' credit...nor ought we belittle others for not believing.
This is the issue. You claim the above while I'm like "wait a minute, you haven't demonstrated the Bible to be God's Word." So what you actually give is what YOU BELIEVE to be God-inspired.I can give you God's Word
Its power to inspire. One of my favorite texts in my Christian days was Hebrews 12:1-2.What do you like most about it?
Why a singular maker? Why a purposeful maker? What a maker that has a will that involves caring about human behavior? Why a him? Why are you or I significant enough in the will of the creative entity or entities to have a purpose?All of my sense and reason tells me this world, all that's in it, has a Maker, and my appeal is to that Maker, that I may know Him, and fulfill His purpose in making me.
Read what? I own Lee Strobel's book and I am pretty familiar with both the Old and New Testaments as I took to heart 2 Timothy 2:15. Do you assume I'd question something without first giving it a chance, and if so, why?It would be better and mentally healthier to just read it for yourself and find out.
No, actually, I'm curious about you now.Read what? I own Lee Strobel's book and I am pretty familiar with both the Old and New Testaments as I took to heart 2 Timothy 2:15. Do you assume I'd question something without first giving it a chance, and if so, why?
As someone has already pointed out...accurately fulfilled prophecies authenticates the claims of God's own Word.Sounds kinda circular to me as attributing the authorship of scripture to Holy Breath is only done because the scripture says that is the case in 2 Timothy. The book itself attempts to define the parameters of what is "of God" setting itself up as the authority on it being the authority without having the need itself to demonstrate that it is in fact of God in any objective means.
"Him" is just convention.Why a singular maker? Why a purposeful maker? What a maker that has a will that involves caring about human behavior? Why a him? Why are you or I significant enough in the will of the creative entity or entities to have a purpose?
Is it possible that our desire for ultimate purpose and divine significance a representation of the vanity of the human ego?
Why a singular maker? Why a purposeful maker? What a maker that has a will that involves caring about human behavior? Why a him? Why are you or I significant enough in the will of the creative entity or entities to have a purpose?
Is it possible that our desire for ultimate purpose and divine significance a representation of the vanity of the human ego?
What I'm saying is there are two elements to the equation.This is the issue. You claim the above while I'm like "wait a minute, you haven't demonstrated the Bible to be God's Word." So what you actually give is what YOU BELIEVE to be God-inspired.
I'd like to dissect those prophecies to see how strong they actually are as evidence for inspiration beyond human capabilities.