Because I was baptized as a child and have the Holy Spirit to be with me. Which is Jesus' spirit often felt such that I know him and that he lives. So the bible is true.
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For clarity's sake is it right to understand that you can affirm that the Bible writings are true and of God because an unseen force or power (Holy Breath) has made it known to you?
I've come to know God thru the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-25). A person must be baptized and prayed over for that experience. They must take the leap of hope that it's all real.
The holy spirit force and power has been seen by many, Luke 3:22
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
I think there is a middle ground where our incredulty exposes our weakness.
"I believe, help my unbelief!"
God sees our heart, so He knows.
Much love!
Like your chart shows, history of Israel is a pre-requisite. When I came to the Lord, I had absolutely zero knowledge of the history of Israel because I was ignorant of the Scriptures as a whole being completely unchurched/untaught.
Yes many were caught with their pants down during God's first judgment (Flood) and many more will be caught in the same manner during God's coming judgment. It's a pity as he has put forth His Lightning Rod that we need not be struck.
Let me ask you, as an agnostic, what is your hope beyond death and the grave? What facts would you have to affirm your hope.
The Christian’s hope is in Jesus who rose from the dead. Where, or in ‘who’ is your hope?
Brakelite
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I disagree. Some prophecies are incredibly specific, but there is a spiritual power determined that none should understand them, and view them correctly. Error, human reasoning, imagination, and deception all play a role in the current confusion. But over 20 years ago I found a sound definitive and perfectly acceptable hermeneutic in understanding prophecy, and it's the most fun study there is. It's exciting, informative, encouraging, faith affirming, and interesting.
I personally have no expectation for what's beyond death as I view death as the end of life where my conscious existence ceases. That places more emphasis on the significance of this life, my only life.
I heard a good quote on the radio this morning . . .
We are more flawed than we care to admit, and more loved than we dare to dream. We all need Jesus!
Much love!
How do you know life ends at death? How do you know conscious existence ends as well?
At least we have Someone who has died and rose again from the dead but says differently.
Have you died and experienced what it is like?
Death is by definition the cessation of life, so there's that....
I don't know. However, with death being the END of life and there being no evidence that conscious life continues after brain death, then it follows that conscious existence is fully tied to one's physical life and therefore ends simultaneously with it.
Not exactly. There is no writing from such a person that has been brain dead and is now alive and even if that happened, how could we test to see whether they were telling the truth?
That's circular reasoning. Consciousness ends at death of the body therefore consciousness is fully tied to the body therefore consciousness ends at death of the body therefore . . .
Much love!
Accept it's not as we can point to a beginning period where consciousness begins for each individual. The lack of consciousness prior to conception, birth, and development illustrates the fact that consciousness is in fact finite and begins due to a traced biological process. If it begins as such, evidently the end of the biological life process would also mark the end of that entity's conscious existence. There is little to no reason or evidence to postulate otherwise.
You've just said you cannot say when consciousness appears. How can you say when or if it disappears?
Your non-awareness of the timing of the origin of consciousness is not evidence of the nature of that consciousness.
But if someone died, and returned, and told you about it, would you believe it?
Much love!
Huh? I just SPECIFIED a period of existence from whence consciousness begins. Everything we know about consciousness ties it to a biological life form's life.
If, big if.
If someone that was dead were to return, I'd definitely give ear to what they say. Too bad that scenario has not proven to be realistic in the real world.
What's your standard of evidence? How many historical figures do you think were real? Abraham Lincoln? Ghengis Khan? Plato? Aristophanes? Jesus Christ?
Much love!
Brakelite
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“Contrary to popular Christian opinion, atheism is not the worst thing in the world.
Bad religion is.
The reason is obvious: many people in our world either serve God as fear-driven slaves or hate God as if He were a cruel monster, in both cases due to the way false religion has misrepresented God.
The Bible speaks directly about bad religion in general and bad Christianity in particular.
The second angel’s message (Revelation14:8) brings relief and liberation from all anti-love images of God that counterfeit religion has pushed on the world and calls upon each of us to come out of the confusion into the illuminating truth of God’s glory as revealed in Christ.
And yet, Babylon isn’t merely that big bad religious and political system out there, rather it is in all of us.
Paul urged us to recognize that “the carnal mind is enmity against God” (Romans 8:7), which is an indictment that includes all of us.
The great protester himself, Martin Luther, insightfully observed, “I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals. I have within me the great pope, Self.”
The papacy is simply a corporate manifestation of the universal human inclination to exalt self in the place of God, to justify self rather than rest in God’s justifying grace, and to control our fellow human beings by coercion tactics rather than grant liberty of conscience.
A pertinent question could be asked of those who are either agnostic or atheist... Please describe the God you don't believe in. And subsequent to that... What kind of God would you like to believe in?
Bad religion is.
The reason is obvious: many people in our world either serve God as fear-driven slaves or hate God as if He were a cruel monster, in both cases due to the way false religion has misrepresented God.
The Bible speaks directly about bad religion in general and bad Christianity in particular.
The second angel’s message (Revelation14:8) brings relief and liberation from all anti-love images of God that counterfeit religion has pushed on the world and calls upon each of us to come out of the confusion into the illuminating truth of God’s glory as revealed in Christ.
And yet, Babylon isn’t merely that big bad religious and political system out there, rather it is in all of us.
Paul urged us to recognize that “the carnal mind is enmity against God” (Romans 8:7), which is an indictment that includes all of us.
The great protester himself, Martin Luther, insightfully observed, “I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals. I have within me the great pope, Self.”
The papacy is simply a corporate manifestation of the universal human inclination to exalt self in the place of God, to justify self rather than rest in God’s justifying grace, and to control our fellow human beings by coercion tactics rather than grant liberty of conscience.
A pertinent question could be asked of those who are either agnostic or atheist... Please describe the God you don't believe in. And subsequent to that... What kind of God would you like to believe in?
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