Why Does God Allow The False Pre-trib Rapture Lie?

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... Pre-tribulational Rapture theory..
...nothing to do with God's Truth in His Word, for no such idea of Christ coming to rapture His Church prior to the tribulation is written in The Bible.

Study is Key-
•Redeeming is ONE thing-
•Resurrection is ANOTHER thing-

•Belief IN God is ONE thing-
•Hearing of Jesus- And Believing (or NOT Believing) IN GOD and Jesus the Christ- IS another thing.
•Complete Disbelief IS anther thing.
•Advocating and Promoting Disbelief IS Another thing.

WRATH- IS the the Negative Physical Effect ON/TOWARD People perpetuated BY "someone's" ANGER.

• An Expectation OF Wrath and Great Wrath IS Scriptural Prophecy REGARDING...
*The Lamb of Gods ANGER- for Disbelieving Him
*The Devils ANGER- for Disbelieving him
*Gods Anger- for Disbelieving Him
*Gods Anger- for Advocating disbelief IN Him
*Gods Anger- (and Revenge) for Persecuting men because those men Believed IN the Lord God.

Prophecy- IS Foretelling of What Shall occur.
• knowing What Wiil occur IS one thing
• knowing When IS NOT Specifically Revealed

Many men DO NOT Hear, Read, Study...
To KNOW ...What Prophecy Applies TO THEM...
Some men...arrogantly go beyond THAT, and Attempt to Dictate "to other men," What Scripturally Applies TO THEM, should be Abandoned!


REDEMTION- To Redeem IS to take Hold of/ TAKE what IS yours TO Claim.

Christ's Church IS Unique.
Members OF Christ's Church ARE Unique.
•Completely DIFFERENT than ALL other people who have Ever walked the Earth.
•Forgiven OF All Sin.
• MADE, by the Power of God, Wholly Whole, body, soul, spirit, perfected And Completely Acceptable...TO The Lord God Almighty...
TO BE REDEEMED and Resurected.

• For the ignorant void of understanding...
The Unique Made Wholly WHOLE Members of Christ's Church ARE NOT Subject TO the Lambs, the Devils or Gods Anger or Wrath Foretold that Shall occur!

• They shall be Redeemed IN the Fashion-
THAT mimicked ...Noah's Saving from Gods Anger and Wrath and Earths Destruction in the Great Flood.

• They shall be Redeemed OFF the Face OF the Earth...(as was Noah)...WHILE Destruction IS occurring ON the Face of the Earth.

•Up, Up, Up...Above the Face of the Earth went Noah IN the Ark....TO the Face of the Waters.
•Up, Up, Up...Above the Face of the Earth Shall Christ's Unique Wholly WHOLE Church go...TO the Clouds...(which is Water Above the Earth!) Prophecy Specifically Revealed, regarding Christ's Church.

As in Noah's Day-
...Noah was Preparing, according to Gods Word....WHILE others were partying.
...So also are men Preparing, being Converted IN Christ...WHILE others are partying.

•Some people are too ignorant...to comprehend the Similitudes between...
Noah's Saving AND Christ's Church Salvation.

•Some people are too ignorant...to comprehend the Differences between ... Noah's Saving AND Christ's Church Salvation.

• Some people Are Too Ignorant TO: comprehend ...
* Gods People ISRAEL- That kept their Faith IN (but Heard AND Rejected Christ Jesus)...are NEITHER Damned or YET MADE WHOLE!!!)
* shocking surprise...DUH ...they ARE Subject TO: uh...The Wrath of the Lamb! DUH...For Hearing AND Rejecting Him.
* additionally - Once Accepting Christ Jesus..
* DUH - they Become Subject TO the wrath of the Devil, for Disbelief in him!
* "They" ARE martyred, killed For accepting Belief IN Christ Jesus.

• During the Tribulation-
Gods (Sent) Servants are ministering TO ISRAEL.
• The Devils Soilders are Searching For men with (God), with (Devil), Against (devil)
• men are ARE choosing who they will stand With.
• Men are being BODILY killed by the Effects of Gods Power UPON the Earth/ earthquakes, fire, droughts, insects destroying food supply, plagues of diseases, etc.
• And The Devils armies killing men WHO Reject him.
(awesome time to Be ON Earth...the smell and sight of thousands of dead rotting corpse'!! So disgusting The Lord God Himself is Absent from being ON the Earth!)

* Nothing New...
Dead Bodies...Decay, Rot.
Saved souls...Are Redeemed by God, Unto God "UP" IN Heaven.

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Not Rocket Science....but Dependable Factural Scriptural TRUTH...Hear, Learn, Study...

•God WAS Fed up...with Man's Corruption, and Destroyed the Earth with Water.
•God IS Fed up...with Man's Corruption, and Shall Again Destroy the Earth.
(Open eyes...corruption on Earth is exponentially...Increasing AND Promoted AND Encouraged AND Condoned!!!)

Pre- Trib Redemption...
Applies to Christ's Unique Church MADE Converted Wholly Whole, Body, soul, spirit.

Mid- Trib Redemption...
Applies to Any Faithful To God, who Come to Belief in Christ...BODILY Die...(Body rots)...Soul IS Redeemed, escorted UP to Heaven.

Post- Tribulation (and After 1,000 year Reign)
All remaining Mortals, experience the Effects of Their Choices...soul salvation and their souls Rising Up.../ death for rejecting Christ)

Thus Post Trib Redemption...(and after 1,000 yr Reign)...
• All Body's ...of The Dead...IN FaithFULLNESS (having NOT BEEN Made WHOLE (Body, soul, spirit) Before the Trib...
ARE Gathered "and" RAISED UP...WHOLE...
Body, soul, spirit !!...
Redeemed "Gathered" and Raised up "Resurrected"...Just as Scripture Teaches!

The written evidence in God's Word is just the opposite, that Jesus comes to gather His saints AFTER the tribulation, not before (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27).

No, it is NOT "OPPOSITE".
No, it is NOT "ONLY AFTER" the Trib.
No, Jesus does NOT Gather.

There ARE "already" SAINTS Gods ELECT IN Heaven...! And newsflash...the Trib has not Occured!

Matthew 24:
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man com-ING (NOT arrived!) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You have give your Basis of Rejecting The Lords Redemption OF Christ's Church BY your own False interpretation of Matt 24:29- 31. And again your false interpretation of Mark 13:24-27.

Mark 13:24-27
[24] But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
[25] And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
[26] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
[27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So why does our Heavenly Father and His Son allow those false ones who are out to deceive as many believers on Christ as possible, doing the devil's work?

Why do you?
•Why do you not know - the difference between the saints and the elect?
•Why do you not know - Seeing, Coming and Arrived are all Different things?
•Why do you not know - the Tribulation is Days and times for certain things to occur and other things to occurs at later days and times?
• Why do you not know those ARE MADE WHOLE are not subject to Spiritual Caused Wrath?
• Why do you not know- Jesus DOES NOT DO the Gathering?
• Why do you spent such Effort wagging your tongue in rebellion Against Men who Have Been MADE Wholly WHOLE and Trust the Lord Shall Redeem them?

The reason is simple, IF you've studied your Old Testament history about the rebelliousness of the children of Israel. Early on in Israel's history God had told them to not mix with the pagans, like the Canaanite peoples, as they would turn their hearts against Him and cause them to fall away to their false gods. Our Heavenly Father warned them about this several times all throughout their history. And in Deuteronomy 4 & 28 He warned what curses He would bring upon them for being rebellious, one of the big ones being their scattering among the Gentiles, to live with pagans.

• Well aware of warnings About people who would "Rebel Against men", who have Put their Fullnesness of Faith In their Lord God Almighty. "ding,ding,ding"

In Judges 2 & 3, God finally told the children of Israel He would leave those of the Canaanite nations to live among them, to test them with, to see if they would follow Him, or not. This is the same matter with crept in unawares that creep into Christ's Church and push false doctrines that go directly against written Bible Scripture.

• Well aware You claim "directly against Scripture/Opposition" to Scripture...
After You distort by your interpretation OF Scripture.

The Pre-tribulational Rapture theory is one of their doctrines,

•The Pre-Trib Redemption applies To those MADE Wholy Whole...and Why "They" are NOT Appointed To Wrath... (which BY your testimony does Not Apply to You.)

•The Mid-Trib redemption Applies To those Believing in God...NOT in Christ...then believing In Christ...primarily Applying To Jews/Israel...(maybe you...but you appear more in favor of the latter Redemption and Resurrection...)

• Post Trib Redemption and Resurrection... mortals Living and dying during the 1000 yr Reign...Saved and unsaved separated...All souls of the Saved Gathered and All Remaining bodies of the Elect and Saints of All time Resurrected ... Eh maybe that ... as you indicate applies to You.
^ That does NOT Apply TO Christ's Church.

Are you going to be standing around ON EARTH....mourning... crying in sorrow...when you See the Son of man Descending TO Earth?

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[Brakelite]

Because you believe in men's false pre-trib theory, you can't even find Bible Scripture for support, and must resort instead to slanders, and defaming language. Heck, you'd probably resort to cursing in the above if you thought you could get by with it! That's the working of 'another spirit', not the Spirit of Christ.



News Bulletin: it's ONLY saints in Christ that are gathered AFTER the tribulation, because that is WHEN Jesus returns to gather His faithful Church! If you are gathered early, you are like an early fig, gathered out of season (by the Antichrist)! Try to reverse the timing of His coming and gathering of the saints that which He declared in the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture, I dare ya!




It's YOUR interpretation of Scripture that is wrong. That because you apply doctrines of men over God's written Word.

That's why I find it very strange that you pre-trib rapture folks use 1 Thess.4 all the time, but you actually don't even understand it as written!

1 Thess 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Paul says don't worry about the brethren who have died, because Jesus when He comes will bring those "with Him". Very simple.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The Matthew 24:31 version of the gathering of the saints is specifically about the 'asleep' saints gathered "...from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

So much for you belief that Jesus doesn't bring any of the saints from the heavenly with Him when He comes, which is the subject of Jude 1:14.

Just to throw in another perspective... Jude could be speaking of angels. After all, it is the angels who gather the elect from the four corners of the earth yes? So it is entirely reasonable to think Jesus comes from heaven with His angels for the greatest event in human history.
Second, there is coming a time when human saints do come to earth with their Lord...1000 years after the harvest when everyone returns to earth from heaven in the new Jerusalem.

 

[Brakelite]

So these are the three main tribulation beliefs in Christianity...

Im not claiming to know which one it is or how it will happen... I am surprised at how certain some people are of one or the other...

Im guessing there is supporting scripture for all of them... Which view is most popular?

There's a fourth not generally considered by any because of its source, but it's more biblical, has less holes, makes more sense, and offers a much happier end for all involved. My advice would be to disregard all those three and go back to the Bible.

 

[Brakelite]

I know I don't understand as much as you O Mighty One. Your knowledge and whatever supersedes anything else on the planet so we had better book our tickets for the rapture and wait on your doorstep so as not to miss the Pre, A, or Post Millenium as we won't know when it is going to happen except you.

After reading Davy's posts, I now understand all there is to know regarding the concept of pontificating.

 

[Davy]

Thank you brother for your God-ordained comment. Well, that is what it seems to be...according to you, so one must bow to your superior knowledge and contact with the most high which we mortals do not seem to have...according to you.

Such a rebellious comment that you 'think' you are directing at me, but you are actually mocking our Lord Jesus' command for His servants to 'watch', which it is His Message in His written Word that I spoke, and not my own.

 

[Davy]

I bow the knee to you O mighty one who has all truth and accept that we are so unworthy of even being given time and space to air our views.

You are not going to change our Lord Jesus' command to watch involving the Signs of the end He gave, no matter how much you want to follow the foolish doctrines of men. You need to heed what He said about His coming to gather His servants AFTER... the tribulation per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, and quit playing around with men's traditions that are designed to deceive.

 

[Davy]

I know I don't understand as much as you O Mighty One. Your knowledge and whatever supersedes anything else on the planet so we had better book our tickets for the rapture and wait on your doorstep so as not to miss the Pre, A, or Post Millenium as we won't know when it is going to happen except you.

You are blaspheming God, not me, when you throw such a title at me in mocking. I'm sure in time He will make you understand to not do that, not even in mocking someone.

None of what you say gives any support at all within God's written Word.

As for who recognizes the "times and the seasons" leading up to Christ's return, there are many, because those stay in God's Word instead of playing lolly-pops with men's traditions outside His Word like you do.

 

[Davy]

Scriptural Facts-
1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

That's strange... my Bible has 8 PREVIOUS VERSES that occur prior to that 9th one. And in those verses Apostle Paul is mentioned how he had no need to teach the brethren about the "times and the seasons", for they already knew them. Then he mentions the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night", preaching the Sign Lord Jesus Himself gave about the day of His coming in His Olivet discourse, where He also told us to 'watch'.

I wonder what would happen if I took just one verse out of God's Word, and applied some new catchy philosophy to it, and taught it in place of the truth? Oh, that would be a doctrine like the false pre-trib rapture theory, wouldn't it? because that's exactly... what they do, and what they teach their followers (like you) to do, as per you post!

 

[Davy]

Study is Key-
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WHY... should anyone listen to you, since you deny the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scripture given directly by Lord Jesus that shows HIS COMING AND GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH IS AFTER... THE TRIBULATION?

 

[Davy]

Just to throw in another perspective... Jude could be speaking of angels. After all, it is the angels who gather the elect from the four corners of the earth yes? So it is entirely reasonable to think Jesus comes from heaven with His angels for the greatest event in human history.
Second, there is coming a time when human saints do come to earth with their Lord...1000 years after the harvest when everyone returns to earth from heaven in the new Jerusalem.

In Matthew 22:30, Jesus compared those of the resurrection to the angels of God in Heaven. Could be you don't really understand what the resurrection in 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 is about?

No, Christ's saints are not taken into Heaven when He comes. That idea is written nowhere in God's Word. You should rely on what God's Word says, not men.

You reveal you have not studied the Zechariah 14 and Acts 1 scripture which declares where Jesus returns to on the day of His coming and gathering of His Church. On earth is where He and His faithful will reign for the "thousand years" of Rev.20.

 

[Davy]

After reading Davy's posts, I now understand all there is to know regarding the concept of pontificating.

May God rebuke you too for such mocking.

 

[Taken]

That's strange... my Bible has 8 PREVIOUS VERSES that occur prior to that 9th one. And in those verses Apostle Paul is mentioned how he had no need to teach the brethren about the "times and the seasons", for they already knew them. Then he mentions the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night", preaching the Sign Lord Jesus Himself gave about the day of His coming in His Olivet discourse, where He also told us to 'watch'.

I wonder what would happen if I took just one verse out of God's Word, and applied some new catchy philosophy to it, and taught it in place of the truth? Oh, that would be a doctrine like the false pre-trib rapture theory, wouldn't it? because that's exactly... what they do, and what they teach their followers (like you) to do, as per you post!

You think it strange that 1 Thes 5:9 has 8 verses before it.... wow...that almost refutes anything I said NOT!

 

[Davy]

For Brethren Who Actually DO... Read Their Bible:

All these 'mockers' here who think they are mocking me instead of what I have shown 'directly' as written in God's Word, show they adhere to men's doctrines 'against' God's Word, whether they be on the false pre-trib rapture theory, or Amillennialism theories, or Preterist or Historicist theories. It doesn't matter which theory of 'man', they all fall into the 'same' category of DENIERS OF GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

That is why they mock and try to destroy, showing there is 'another spirit' working in them, and not the Spirit of Christ. This is especially telling by the fact that they cannot back up their false theories within the written Word of God! Jesus comes to gather His faithful AFTER... the tribulation like He said, and they cannot change that.

 

[Davy]

You think it strange that 1 Thes 5:9 has 8 verses before it.... wow...that almost refutes anything I said NOT!

I proves a very telling sign, that you don't have a clue what the subject of that 'wrath' is actually about, nor when Paul showed there when it is to occur. If you knew how... to follow the flow of a subject when reading, you probably wouldn't need the men you listen to to tell you what to think.

 

[Taken]

WHY... should anyone listen to you, since you deny the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scripture given directly by Lord Jesus that shows HIS COMING AND GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH IS AFTER... THE TRIBULATION?

Perhaps "others" can actually LISTEN and Notice I did not deny any Scripture and Did address Gathering After The Trib...
And "They BE wise" enough to Search the Scriptures to see if what I said is so.

Not the first time you've make up a Lie in an attempt to make your preaching appear plausible...and presicely why posting to you is for the benefit of others, not you.

Jesus does not gather Christ's Church...
...an Archangel Signals Them!
Twisting the Word of God for your purpose ...
FAIL!

Have a nice day!
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I proves a very telling sign, that you don't have a clue what the subject of that 'wrath' is actually about, nor when Paul showed there when it is to occur. If you knew how... to follow the flow of a subject when reading, you probably wouldn't need the men you listen to to tell you what to think.

1 Thes 5: 1-8
Clue- Jesus Return- Thief in the night- is unknown time.
Clue- Death of a mortal- unknown time.
Clue- unConverted- Subject to Wrath.
Clue- mortal men who may die at any Unknown Time and Jesus may return to Redeem what is His at any unknown time-
Warning- FYI....if you are not wise enough to be prepared for the Unknown Time---
You will be Appointed to Wrath!!!

Covered that already...but seems, you have that blindness and stuborness to take your blinders off and read and study without your preconceived notions...like Jesus said To Do!

So what are you going to be DOING during Tribulation?....seems Rapture Deniers run down the rabbit hole and hide because they CAN NOT Answer that question.

 

[Taken]

... you probably wouldn't need the men you listen to to tell you what to think.

You are a man. I listened, I rejected what "you" say...

There again...you fail at comprehension.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... There is no benefit to being right or wrong in that situation, if they are believers it will happen. Js

First of all, I was lied to by a FALSE church doctrine, (among several), and had to come to the TRUTH on my own through Scripture. So you assert "there is no benefit", which is absolutely FALSE. It's nothing short of NOT Putting Up a Sign Saying THE BRIDGE IS OUT. -- I'm PREPARING because the "rapture" is at the end of the millennial kingdom, and I MUST prepare my household for when we can't buy or sell.

But those who aren't will be caught unprepared as when everyone was looking for toilet paper, -- a simple commodity which most families PANICKED over. So if you didn't learn your lesson then, maybe shame on you.

... and according to my best understanding of Prophetic Scripture, we have some 6 to 9 months before we can't buy or sell, and some 12 months until Global Thermonuclear War. -- So there's no rush, no hurry, and no consequences ...
Bobby Jo

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I don't understand this question. Why does God allow any lie to flourish? Atheism comes to mind. The answer is simple: humans have the freedom to believe anything they want. This is why some people believe in a flat earth, even though there is ample evidence that the Earth is round.

Please!!! Not the flat earth thing!!!

Be more creative if you're going to accuse someone of ignorance. :)