Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

[MatthewG]

It’s a great thing, choice.

God has all given us freewill to think and choose.

Whatever you believe is going to be between you and God. No one else will be able to convince of you anything other wise, even if you do choose to believe everything has been fulfilled.

God is not going to be angry with you, because the wrath was poured out on Israel.

Believe in the total victory of Christ, or choose not to.

It’s up to you, and no one can directly force it on anyone either because who could… you’re the one who has the ability to choose.

God bless and take care.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Learningtoletgo,

You asked some good questions on your other post. Have considered writing out at least one of the chapters just for reference, may take time to do that tomorrow.

For one, the term that is referred to in the initial post is indeed what you have stated "unable to affect humanity anymore".

There are some that do not believe this, and for me it is fine.

There are four main views of Revelation either way it goes.

Historist,
Idealist,
Pertrist,
Futurist,

Where people are on this I have no idea, aside from where I personally stand, but I do not have any problems with others who may believe Satan is still around, or believe that Jesus is coming back again soon (which has been prevalent throughout the past however long - forever - it seems); I agree that Darkness is very much still around, but Satan not so much.

The people in Israel continued even after Yeshua had died, to instate following the Law and Commandments of Moses, but since having that nailed to the cross, the Lord told his apostles that He would be returning, and it would culminate in the destruction of their heavens and earth - that they understood by how they lived, which was - by living out the Material law, Jesus came and returned for his church/bride in that day in age which was those 144,000 people from the twelve tribes who were pure, holy, and undefiled, which was prophesied by Jesus to happen 40 years prior to 70Ad.

There is no verse in the Bible that says "he had returned", nor is there any "we seen Jesus come" written anywhere in other historical text out there - but internal evidences of the Bible suggest those on that day of the great and fearful day of the LORD, those who would be looking and waiting for his return would see him; thus I believe by faith this had happened but that doesn't mean there is no reason to share Christ, and learn the principles of the Bible it does allow people to subjectively live their lives how they will - with their relationship between them and God with no interference from anyone else. Aside from the Darkness we wrestle with.

Jesus said that he would never leave us ?
Jesus is Emmanuel, God with us ?
The Holy Spirit was sent to us ?
If one has the Holy Spirit then Christ Jesus has you ? and you have him ? and as we seen with Nathaniel, what was it that Jesus said to him that he would see ?
One has to be in tune with Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit, one abides in as one is the Body of Christ and he the Head there of.

When one does not abide in the Vine ? one is cut off ! cast out !
Now when The Satanist totally dominate the world, they have sown the end for themselves = the Hellfire ! such will consume it's self. then in the end the deceptions will be reviled even to the village idiot clearly, they will have no choice, they will have no cards to play.

Jesus does not come back as a Man in the flesh, that's a carnal concept.
When one is truly saved Jesus comes to you ! and bingo the lights come on ! your saved, such a one is 100% not 99.9% there is now doubts at all who Jesus Christ truly is in fact at all. Nothing can be more serious ! so I do not go looking for Jesus, I do not need the second coming ? Nothing is going to change on who is truly born again in the second coming, the change that comes with the second coming is the ones who where not Saved !
So once truly saved you can not be Saved twice, Once Saved always Saved.

 

[Phoneman777]

Huh, never heard of it. Thank you for taking time to explain to me sir.

My pleasure, friend. I find it amazing that most people have no idea that the global Protestant Christian church taught that the Papacy was the Antichrist for a solid 300+ years from the early 1500s to the early 1800s, and even then it continued to be taught well into the 20th century...every pulpit, Bible college, Bible tract, you name it, everybody was preaching, teaching, and believing it.

That's why it was one of the Twin Pillars of the Reformation. Today, we're told Antichrist came in the first century or he's coming during the last seven years of tribulation and the institution that came up with those two ideas is the very institution to which the Protestant Reformers pointed to as Antichrist.

It's as if Rome said, "HEY! If you're looking for Antichrist, look to the past (Preterism), or the future (Futurism), ANYWHERE BUT AT US!"

And you know what? It worked! They got Protestants seeing Antichrist everywhere except where it has been all this time!!!

 

[Brakelite]

Starting always at the very lowest of rooms!

Amen. I remember 25 years ago now, kneeling before God and pleading and crying for mercy, after 20 years of confusion and struggle with ups and downs in faith and practise, not knowing what was truth and what wasn't, imploring God to start again with me. To treat me as ignorant and void of all spiritual understanding, to feed me with milk and to ground me in truth that I would never ever again be confused, or accepting of teachings and contradictions simply because one is told, it's doctrine and you have to believe. No. Never again. Teach me my God what is TRUTH. even though it may hurt my pride to have to repent and turn myself around to accept it.

 

[Bob Estey]

#124 <- click this for some consideration on Revelation 13 - (Now Completed)
#215 <- click this for some consideration on Revelation 20 - (Now Completed)

Don’t get me wrong I understand that most believe that revelation is not completed yet, but if you would consider the contents and context of that book at written to 7 churches in Asia Minor, and that things were soon to come shortly to pass, why is it most Christian churches today continue to repeat that Yeshua is still coming back today, 2000 years later?

Why is it people don’t accept it as the truth of a coming to pass for them in that area and time? Some say John wrote many years after the destruction of Jerusalem, but then why doesn’t the revelation John write say “and don’t be like those who had fallen in Jerusalem”, or why doesn’t it say this is “for a future generation”.

Do not get me wrong I love you either way even if your a futurist but think for yourself for a moment, what is your hope in?

Is it in the destruction of everything you know now that is around you for Jesus to come back and vindicate for you on your behalf when the contents and context of the Bible almost always from Genesis to About Acts maybe 5? Is dealing with the nation of Israel upon until Paul shows up and goes out to the gentiles but also writes to a Jewish audience as well?

It’s hard for me to understand why people continue to believe that Satan is still around when he was a key player while the Law was intact but the Law is gone, it was done away with, the Law was given to Jewish people not Gentiles but people act as though sometimes they need to obey the Law given from Moses to the Israelites: it is useful but only useful to bring people to Christ.

So why is you don’t believe this?

“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Revelation 20:10

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A friend asked this question:

If you don't think that Satan tempts you to do things you shouldn't do, it seems to me he as you right where he wants you. Don't forget how subtle he is (Genesis 3:1).

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@Bob Estey
Those who have been born again are like Christ when it comes to temptation/being tested. We have His power in us to flee temptation. Jesus has defeated the devil in us.

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

 

[MatthewG]

If you don't think that Satan tempts you to do things you shouldn't do, it seems to me he as you right where he wants you. Don't forget how subtle he is (Genesis 3:1).

My friend, Bob,

What do you consider also from this passage?


“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:12-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

So does Satan really tempt us still today considering we aren’t under a Law (The Law of Moses),and Satan can’t accuse us to God anymore, due to his defeat.

Or is our own carnal minded nature?

 

[Bob Estey]

My friend, Bob,

What do you consider also from this passage?


“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:12-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

So does Satan really tempt us still today considering we aren’t under a Law (The Law of Moses),and Satan can’t accuse us to God anymore, due to his defeat.

Or is our own carnal minded nature?

I agree that we are dragged away by our own evil desire, but I think Satan will entice us to do that.

As for the law, I think it is helpful in teaching us what sort of behavior gets us into trouble. Of course, one has to understand what the law is.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My friend, Bob,

What do you consider also from this passage?


“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:12-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

So does Satan really tempt us still today considering we aren’t under a Law (The Law of Moses),and Satan can’t accuse us to God anymore, due to his defeat.

Or is our own carnal minded nature?

Doesn’t explain severe evil.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I agree that we are dragged away by our own evil desire, but I think Satan will entice us to do that.

As for the law, I think it is helpful in teaching us what sort of behavior gets us into trouble. Of course, one has to understand what the law is.

Which law are you speaking of?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@MatthewG
Is this a full sentence?
"Or is our own carnal minded nature?"

 

[Bob Estey]

Which law are you speaking of?

But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33 RSV

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33 RSV

Can you name those laws?

 

[MatthewG]

Doesn’t explain severe evil.

Fallen World.

 

[MatthewG]

1CL,

It has been know for me to always make mistakes in my sentences, so if word is left out it is encouraged for one to perhaps insert it in themselves.

 

[Bob Estey]

Can you name those laws?

I think it's an individual thing, as the verse suggests. Over a period of time, the Lord shows each one of us, individually, what is needed. You and I might have certain weaknesses, and the Lord will address these.

If I wanted to make a blanket statement, I would name the Ten Commandments and the two great commandments.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I think it's an individual thing, as the verse suggests. Over a period of time, the Lord shows each one of us, individually, what is needed. You and I might have certain weaknesses, and the Lord will address these.

If I wanted to make a blanket statement, I would name the Ten Commandments and the two great commandments.

I agree with your first sentence, but not the first half of the second. The Ten Commandments IS the Old Covenant, the sign of which must and can only be kept by the letter of the law which is death.

 

[MatthewG]

Romans 8:6
New International Version

6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.


This is a very good thing to think about here by Paul.

The carnal mind leads to death. Which can be spiritual death for Christian’s who have their mind set on the fleshly ways of life rather than the spiritual ways of life given by God through the Lord Jesus Christ. The spiritual life brings for peace and life. While the carnal ways (hating/backbiting/selfishness), and lead to spiritual death (even simply quenching of the spirit).

 

[Bob Estey]

I agree with your first sentence, but not the first half of the second. The Ten Commandments IS the Old Covenant, the sign of which must and can only be kept by the letter of the law which is death.

The Ten Commandments alert us to behavior that will get us into trouble.

 

[MatthewG]

Doesn’t the 10 commandments also lead one to Christ, Bob?