Teachers, per the 5 fold ministry, are shepherds too?Who taught you this un-biblical dribble? Are you self taught?
If someone taught you this you should RUN from them...RUN very fast...
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Teachers, per the 5 fold ministry, are shepherds too?Who taught you this un-biblical dribble? Are you self taught?
If someone taught you this you should RUN from them...RUN very fast...
Does that shock you?....You go to Jesus only??
He is speaking to YOU??
Curious Mary
No, its not. The greek words for pastor and elder are two different words. While a pastor should also be an elder, they are not synonymous. In fact elder and overseer are.I have around me a 5 fold ministry, but none of them are shepherds of Christ's sheep.
I am involved in the 5 fold ministry(Teacher/Evangelist), but see no Biblical reference that a pastor is above my calling.
Fact is, I am an elder, which is the Biblical definition of a pastor.
Therefore I will not try to replace the great Shepherd's voice with mine.
I, as all elders, am mistake prone, which disqualifies us as a shepherd and makes our voice the voice of a stranger.
God's will is to speak directly to the believer, not through a pastor to a believer.
Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice".
The pastor teaches, "Jesus sheep hears their voice".
Which is subjecting Jesus' voice to another man.
I teach souls to learn to hear their Shepherds voice directly, then you will get perfect direction from the unseen hand of God.
Interesting. I did some looking up of this '5 fold ministry'. Seems to be a group thinking that the 5 gifts of Eph 4 should be in use today. Correct me if i'm wrong. So do you think that apostles is a current ministry in the structure of the church? And i found this interesting as well;I have around me a 5 fold ministry, but none of them are shepherds of Christ's sheep.
I am involved in the 5 fold ministry(Teacher/Evangelist), but see no Biblical reference that a pastor is above my calling.
Fact is, I am an elder, which is the Biblical definition of a pastor.
Therefore I will not try to replace the great Shepherd's voice with mine.
I, as all elders, am mistake prone, which disqualifies us as a shepherd and makes our voice the voice of a stranger.
God's will is to speak directly to the believer, not through a pastor to a believer.
Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice".
The pastor teaches, "Jesus sheep hears their voice".
Which is subjecting Jesus' voice to another man.
I teach souls to learn to hear their Shepherds voice directly, then you will get perfect direction from the unseen hand of God.
Would you care to at least TRY to answer the question: Who taught you this un-biblical dribble? Are you self taught?Mary you really need to run faster than the prophet who ran faster than the chariots when He saw the rain coming, remember what happened to those who never got into the Ark, with Moses. But your cant, you worship your religion and wont let it go even for Christ as do so many, there hearts are far from Him.
Yes, that shocks me. I think He is shocked that you are saying that also.Does that shock you?....
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
And "denial" ain't just a riverDon't be silly.
There is one Shepherd. Jesus said one Shepherd and one fold.
Your problem is you cannot take "one" for an answer.
No wonder you guys teach one plus one plus one equals one.
And “denial” ain’t just a river in Egypt.Don't be silly.
There is one Shepherd. Jesus said one Shepherd and one fold.
Your problem is you cannot take "one" for an answer.
No wonder you guys teach one plus one plus one equals one.
No scripture hands Jesus' shepherdship or fold to any man.And "denial" ain't just a river
And “denial” ain’t just a river in Egypt.
You still haven’t been able to refute John 21:15-19, where Jesus makes Peter a SHEPHERD – or 1 Cor. 3:9 and 2 Cor. 6:1 where Paul calls the clergy “CO-WORKERS” (sunergos) with God.
Your failure is as complete and total as your ignorance . . .
Question, do you hear the voice of the Pope clearer than the voice of Jesus?Yes, that shocks me. I think He is shocked that you are saying that also.
Speaking of Apostles in particular...this ministry is not for creating doctrine, but for spreading the gospel.Interesting. I did some looking up of this '5 fold ministry'. Seems to be a group thinking that the 5 gifts of Eph 4 should be in use today. Correct me if i'm wrong. So do you think that apostles is a current ministry in the structure of the church? And i found this interesting as well;
https://www.fivefoldministrychurches.com/scriptural-church-government
Without getting into a catholic/christian debate, i see the 5 fold ministry thinks catholicism is part of christianity? This shows a great lack of discernment on the part of this movement.
Of course He does.No, its not. The greek words for pastor and elder are two different words. While a pastor should also be an elder, they are not synonymous. In fact elder and overseer are.
And are you saying Jesus speaks directly to you and your church members individually? He certainly speaks to us through His word i.e. the bible but that still requires study on our part and the word delivered via His servants....pastors/teachers....shepherds.
Then explain John 21:15-19, because, so far you have failed to address it.No scripture hands Jesus' shepherdship or fold to any man.
The one Shepherd is perfect and pure, unlike the thieves and robbers that want His flock for themselves(as Jesus said in John 10).
The RCC and protestants are stealing Jesus' flocks, as the flocks hear the wrong voices weekly.
These thieves have muzzled Jesus' voice, insisting they are the voice of Jesus, and the masses are not allowed to hear His voice for themselves.
These thieves have propped themselves up as the mediator between the mediator between God and man.
Feed MY(Jesus') sheep....not feed OUR sheep.Then explain John 21:15-19, because, so far you have failed to address it.
I'll wait here for your response, sparky . . .
Correct.Feed MY(Jesus') sheep....not feed OUR sheep.
LOL
Only those called and I can guarantee there are few of them around.Moses didn't build the ark. And pastors are shepherds. Read your bible.
I have around me a 5 fold ministry, but none of them are shepherds of Christ's sheep.
I am involved in the 5 fold ministry(Teacher/Evangelist), but see no Biblical reference that a pastor is above my calling.
Fact is, I am an elder, which is the Biblical definition of a pastor.
Therefore I will not try to replace the great Shepherd's voice with mine.
I, as all elders, am mistake prone, which disqualifies us as a shepherd and makes our voice the voice of a stranger.
God's will is to speak directly to the believer, not through a pastor to a believer.
Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice".
The pastor teaches, "Jesus sheep hears their voice".
Which is subjecting Jesus' voice to another man.
I teach souls to learn to hear their Shepherds voice directly, then you will get perfect direction from the unseen hand of God.
Only babes dribble and old men so I must be a babe in Christ, and old. Nah all that time in the catholic church and all I learned was that isnt from God, Glad I left, Glad Christ found me and called me out of that abomination, if I hadnt left I would never have come to know our Saviour.Would you care to at least TRY to answer the question: Who taught you this un-biblical dribble? Are you self taught?
Self taught...got it.Only babes dribble and old men so I must be a babe in Christ, and old. Nah all that time in the catholic church and all I learned was that isnt from God, Glad I left, Glad Christ found me and called me out of that abomination, if I hadnt left I would never have come to know our Saviour.
Wouldnt Consider the Holy Spirit self taught, better than being taught by blind religious men.Self taught...got it.
Ok...so the Holy Spirit taught you everything you know. Got it.Wouldnt Consider the Holy Spirit self taught, better than being taught by blind religious men.