Hidden In Him
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How do you work all this out in less than 3 years, and over 4 billion dead in 2 years.
I don't, LoL.
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How do you work all this out in less than 3 years, and over 4 billion dead in 2 years.
You mean, you can't?I don't, LoL.
You mean, you can't?
Unless one figures out Satan's deception, they will keep trying to figure out Satan's plan. Instead of overcoming the Adversary, they end up being the means of that plan themselves. Then looking back, the remorse will be, "why did I?"
Yes you keep saying that. Yet you offer no explanation. God says it is going to happen. In God is my trust, not human understanding, nor thousands of years of doctrine and theology.My reply here would simply be the same as what I was telling Keraz the other day. I know you are going to be proven wrong in saying it is coming to pass within just a few years. My concern is that you don't become too disillusioned when it doesn't happen.
God bless.
Many may6 not look dead on the outside but they are dead on the inside even some christians and that is mens choice not Gods control, and if it is not from God its from the devilIf Satan was in control, you, me, and everyone else on this forum would be dead.
Something else we agree on.Many may6 not look dead on the outside but they are dead on the inside even some christians and that is mens choice not Gods control, and if it is not from God its from the devil
Then those people claiming to be the body of Christ should be in constant prayer, that salvation comes to all mankind. God is not willing that any should Perish, but all come to repentance. That is the only way, Satan will not have the chance to be in control.If Satan was in control, you, me, and everyone else on this forum would be dead.
Agreed. Which is why throughout the many years I've been contributing to forums it has been a burden of mine to try and enlighten folk, using scripture, to recognise the Antichrist parading every day before their very eyes... But blindness overtakes folk. You are close. Yes, the devil is indeed in control of many things.. But God has not relinquished sovereignty... And He allows the enemy a certain length of rope by which he will eventually hang himself. In the meantime his babies, the Antichrist, and the false prophet, and all their followers will mature until such time as they reveal the true character of their master, just as God's people will in the end reflect His character. The harvest will then be ripe, and Jesus will come.Then those people claiming to be the body of Christ should be in constant prayer, that salvation comes to all mankind. God is not willing that any should Perish, but all come to repentance. That is the only way, Satan will not have the chance to be in control.
The church is fast running out of time. It will not be able to work from heaven, nor work at all any more. The end is the end. There is no more labor in the harvest after the end. The harvest is now, not tomorrow. Keep waiting until tomorrow, and it will be over, and nothing will have been done.
God tells us in Revelation 6, that the church leaves first, and there is no Antichrist. There are many false Christs in the world. They think they are in and of Christ, but they are not. If they do not want to be anti-christ, they need to repent and return to God’s plan. That plan is the reaping of lost souls. That is the only job of the church these days.Agreed. Which is why throughout the many years I've been contributing to forums it has been a burden of mine to try and enlighten folk, using scripture, to recognise the Antichrist parading every day before their very eyes... But blindness overtakes folk. You are close. Yes, the devil is indeed in control of many things.. But God has not relinquished sovereignty... And He allows the enemy a certain length of rope by which he will eventually hang himself. In the meantime his babies, the Antichrist, and the false prophet, and all their followers will mature until such time as they reveal the true character of their master, just as God's people will in the end reflect His character. The harvest will then be ripe, and Jesus will come.
Counterfeit Christianity?
No, it cannot. Such a concept contradicts Jesus own words...God tells us in Revelation 6, that the church leaves first
Jesus is talking about the Jews, not the church. There has to be a distinction.No, it cannot. Such a concept contradicts Jesus own words...
KJV Matthew 13
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
I will say but three things...
- While you all agree that the pope, nor the papacy cannot be the Antichrist, you cannot agree on who will be... Or is.
- The above confusion over what the scriptures actually teach, would very much please the real Antichrist as none of you will recognise him when he comes... Or rather, you haven't recognised him yet.
- The presumption that the reformers didn't use scripture to validate their beliefs is just that... Presumption.
- I lied about there being just three... The fourth point I would like to make is that too completely cast aside the Adventist reasoning and biblical foundation of those beliefs... Their interpretation of those apocalyptic scriptures... Without spending actual time studying them deeply enough to understand why they came to the conclusion they did, is equally presumptive as the view that the reformers took the stance they did simply because they were grumpy and the word 'Antichrist' happened to be a handy insult.
Hi bro. I love forests. I do like to step back and view things from a panoramic perspective, and this is what I see at present in the Christianity that is now currently cleaving to the dispensationalist mindset. I see a lot of confusion. While all are stubbornly sticking to the futurist paradigm, the moment anyone begins to actually dissect it, all manner of adverse opinion and contradictory interpretations are revealed. On this forum for example, you would be hard pressed to find two people who agree on how the Antichrist is coming, from where, where he'll go, who he represents, what he'll do, what he stands for and believes, and how he will operate. Despite the mass of scripture that gives intimate detail as to his activities, his roots, his philosophy, his practices and purposes, even his timeline, all of this is in essence thrown under the bus of futurism and it becomes a pile of mush... And because it is all "future", the differences are somehow justified, as if God intended through prophecy to confuse rather than enlighten.Hey Brakelite. About your points:
Concerning #1, this is the natural outcome when it comes to interpreting scripture in general. Is it spiritually detrimental to some extent to teach opposing interpretations? Yes. But as scripture teaches, God allows differing interpretations so that those who are approved of God may be made manifest. This is in a sense also true in prophetic matters, though we will not know who were truly accurate until well into the future. We are in agreement on certain prophetic matters, but as you know we are also in strong disagreement on others. This would be one of them, so in spite of it potentially serving the enemy's interest in there being disagreements, I trust you know that I would be duty bound before God to disagree with you nonetheless if I felt it were important enough, and here I think it is.
Concerning #2, I don't find the Adventist's historicist argument convincing. The Antichrist is not the Office of the Papacy. Too many verses strongly suggest he is an individual, a particular man who has not arisen yet but will, and will alone fulfill the role.
Concerning #3, what the reformers taught actually never concerns me much. I place far more importance on what the NT writers taught and then secondly on what the early church writers taught, as this can sometimes provide supporting evidence regarding what the NT writers actually believed.
Concerning #4, let me give you a word on good council here, as a friend. The problem with Adventist eschatology is that it is extremely involved, and few are interesting in devoting entire afternoons to watching videos or reading through extensive material, especially when they know they will need to devote dozens upon dozens of additional afternoons well into the future if they would fully grasp the entire system. Certainly serious study would be involved in researching into any system, but to say someone is not willing to study simply because they don't want to devote the next year of their lives, LoL, to something they are not receiving much confirmation or witness of the Spirit from yet is a bit unfair. I would have no problems doing so, but Adventist historicism simply doesn't convince me, and my personal view from studying scholarship for several decades is that the more difficulty a commentator has in explaining his position succinctly, the greater the likelihood that he is actually off track. The weaker the interpretation, the more one has to cover for it by giving lengthy discourses to try and support it.
Anyway, it would likely be a long conversation here if we were to get fully into it, and that may not be in the cards. I likely know what some of your responses will be, and you are a good man with a good head on your shoulders. I'm simply giving a brief reply here, to communicate what others may be thinking but didn't bother to write.
God bless,
HiH
Now consider the above specifically in relation to the Antichrist... The sea beast of Revelation 13. What is he doing by counterfeiting everything Christ does?
In other words, ‘antichrist’ stands as a substitute. We all know that Satan works by deception. Yet many claim the ‘antichrist’ will be one who will charge in on a black horse guns blazing with fury and hatred directed at all things Christian and opposing with great force the church. Pray tell me, how will the world be deceived by such a tactic as this?
WOW.For some strange reason, all the Protestant reformers decided that the pope (or nowadays the papacy) was this Antichrist. The Seventh Day Adventist Church followed suit. While this may have helped them to separate from the Catholic Church, this was not something which they derived from a study of the Scriptures. But there are multiple biblical reasons why the pope – the bishop of Rome and the head of the Catholic church – cannot possibly be the Antichrist.
Prophecies pertaining to the Antichrist are found primarily in the books of Daniel and Revelation, with some references in the Prophets and the Gospels and Epistles. The Antichrist (also called “the Little Horn”, “the Man of Sin, “the Son of Perdition” , “the Beast”, and several other names and titles must be a renegade Jew who has full access to the future temple at Jerusalem, where he will literally sit claiming to be God (2 Thess 2:4). He must also present himself to Orthodox Jews as their long-awaited Jewish Messiah. The Greek word antichristos means one who is both against Christ and come in place of Christ.
None of the characteristics of the Antichrist fit any popes, particularly the fact that he is the supreme dictator and controller of the world. The popes had controlled Europe at one time, but they were never dictators over the whole world of humanity. And that in itself should have been sufficient to refute the false idea that the pope (or papacy) is the Antichrist.
God has provided us with an overview of the 3 ½ year reign of the Antichrist in Revelation 13 (13 being a very fitting number for him because of its evil connotation).
THE BLASPHEMOUS KINGDOM OF THE ANTICHRIST WILL ARISE IN THE FUTURE
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
THE ANTICHRIST IS BEASTLY, VICIOUS, AND PREDATORY
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:...
THE ANTICHRIST RECEIVES HIS POWER AND AUTHORITY FROM SATAN
...and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
THE WORLD IS ENAMOURED WITH THE ANTICHRIST
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
THE WORLD WORSHIPS SATAN AND THE ANTICHRIST FOR 42 MONTHS
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ARCH BLASPHEMER OF GOD AND CHRIST
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ENEMY OF THE TRIBULATION SAINTS
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:...
THE ANTICHRIST WILL RULE OVER ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD
...and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
THE WHOLE UNBELIEVING AND UNGODLY WORLD WORSHIPS HIM
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
THE SAINTS MUST BE PREPARED FOR PERSECUTION AND MARTYRDOM
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
THE FALSE PROPHET IS ALLIED WITH THE ANTICHRIST TO DAZZLE THE WORLD
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS AN ANIMATED IDOL OF THE ANTICHRIST
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD AT THAT TIME
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.