Yet you have wasted all this time arguing that the Third temple will be at the dome of the rock..
Now you tell us.....every structure will be on the pad ....
Now you tell us.....every structure will be on the pad ....
Will the Jews build a Third Temple?
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Did you actually write this???? I'm looking for a historical Temple..... That actually existed.... In the past?
How does this topic relate to Preaching??? IDIOT.... what the He!! ????
So..... your saying there was never an actual Temple in Israel.... but some Future River "in that area of the middle east. En-gedi is a location just west of the Dead Sea that has fresh clear waters." ???
What drugs are you smoking???? No, your taking something much stronger.... What are you on???
Really... what are you on?
Davy
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I think you well know what I said. You ARE... trying to place that "river" of Ezekiel 47 in relation to a supposed evidence of existing waters in today's Jerusalem, which idea is FALSE.
Since YOU posted that linked article, and it said the following, it means YOU AGREED with the speculations in that article...
"After viewing the footings of the tower, I stood in the Kidron Valley, just 500 feet north of the tower, and looked at the area where the Spring of Siloam ran into Hezekiah’s Tunnel, the 1,750-foot aqueduct carved around 701 BC to bring water to Jerusalem. Suddenly, I remembered a passage in Ezekiel 47:1: “Look! The water was pouring out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east.” That’s when the insight came to me: Follow the water! I knew the rest of the Ezekiel account. It told the way the water ran all the way down the streambed to the Dead Sea, where it sweetened the salty water of the Dead Sea, so that fish could survive along the western bank all the way from Ain Eglaim to Ain Gedi. These were the two springs on the western shore of the Dead Sea."
That spring of Siloam HAS NOTHING to do with that "river" of Ezekiel 47 which, that "river" that will heal all waters it touches, will be re-established here on earth when Jesus Christ returns in our near future! He will bring it back to earth where it once was per Genesis 2.
The Ezekiel 47 chapter reveals God's "river" will flow out from under the Millennium sanctuary, on earth, towards the east. Nowhere in Ezekiel 47 does it mention a connection to the spring of Siloam, so that is just speculation.
And that... is my point, because the false Jews plan to create a FAKE to fit Bible prophecy about the end, for the things they cannot literally discover from history, like the ark of the covenant which is no longer upon this earth. They will have... to have an ark of the covenant for their planned temple worship in the near future, and certain ones are already claiming they've found the original ark of the covenant when they are telling a big fat lie.
The Pool of Siloam Has Been Found, but Where Is the Pool of Siloam? - The BAS Library
Where is the original Pool of Siloam, the water pool that fed Jerusalem in the First Temple period? While the Roman-period Pool of Siloam—where Jesus cured the blind man—has recently been discovered, the earlier Pool of Siloam remains unknown. BAR’s editor investigates a possible...
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Israel sees the fight they have in Gaza, but at the dome of the rock, it would be all the Islamic nations..
Davy
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One again folks, the very end of this world, just prior to Christ's future return, is to be a time of FAKENESS, especially in the area of today's Jerusalem.
Jesus warned about a pseudochristos ('a spurious Messiah' per Strong's No.5580) in Matthew 24:24 that will come working great signs and wonders, and IF... it were possible, will deceive even His very elect. Apostles John and Paul also warned about that same false one to come at the end of this world.
Apostle Paul even said that coming false one at the end will sit in the "temple of God" exalting himself as God, over all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Paul was pointing to a new stone temple built by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem for the end.
Today's orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their next temple, even cornerstones cut and ready to be placed. They have even held demonstrations with trying to carry a cornerstone and place it upon the Temple Mount, but were stopped by the Israeli police.
It should be obvious that those Jews cannot build their 3rd temple on the Temple Mount unless the standing Dome of the Rock and Muslim structures there are torn down. Or... they could be allowed to build the Jew's temple near it on the Temple Mount, if there is a place for it. Already some Muslim clerics have mentioned that the Jews in Jerusalem have always had a temple, so they are already showing peaceful Islam is not really against the Jew's temple. That is a major sign to be paying attention to today, because it makes room for Satan's plans to come as king of the world over all religions and peoples.
What we will actually be looking at, for those who are still alive in that future time, is an attempted mimic of Christ's future earthly Kingdom over all nations and peoples. That is what Satan is coming to attempt here on earth, right among us, with his angels.
For Satan to attempt that mimic, he must copy the things of God. Revelation 11:19 reveals the 'ark of the covenant' is in Heaven, and the Jews for the end under Satan's mimic of Christ's Kingdom here on earth must have one, to support their coming temple worship. It won't be the real ark of the covenant though, but a FAKE, just like everything else they setup for their new temple.
Jesus warned about a pseudochristos ('a spurious Messiah' per Strong's No.5580) in Matthew 24:24 that will come working great signs and wonders, and IF... it were possible, will deceive even His very elect. Apostles John and Paul also warned about that same false one to come at the end of this world.
Apostle Paul even said that coming false one at the end will sit in the "temple of God" exalting himself as God, over all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Paul was pointing to a new stone temple built by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem for the end.
Today's orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their next temple, even cornerstones cut and ready to be placed. They have even held demonstrations with trying to carry a cornerstone and place it upon the Temple Mount, but were stopped by the Israeli police.
It should be obvious that those Jews cannot build their 3rd temple on the Temple Mount unless the standing Dome of the Rock and Muslim structures there are torn down. Or... they could be allowed to build the Jew's temple near it on the Temple Mount, if there is a place for it. Already some Muslim clerics have mentioned that the Jews in Jerusalem have always had a temple, so they are already showing peaceful Islam is not really against the Jew's temple. That is a major sign to be paying attention to today, because it makes room for Satan's plans to come as king of the world over all religions and peoples.
What we will actually be looking at, for those who are still alive in that future time, is an attempted mimic of Christ's future earthly Kingdom over all nations and peoples. That is what Satan is coming to attempt here on earth, right among us, with his angels.
For Satan to attempt that mimic, he must copy the things of God. Revelation 11:19 reveals the 'ark of the covenant' is in Heaven, and the Jews for the end under Satan's mimic of Christ's Kingdom here on earth must have one, to support their coming temple worship. It won't be the real ark of the covenant though, but a FAKE, just like everything else they setup for their new temple.
The Dome of the Rock does not sit where the temple sat. The Temple Mount is not occupied completely by the Temple. .
The Romans knocked down every stone on the Temple, and covered it over with 50 feet of dirt and rubble. So all you have is the court walls that kept all gentiles out, this is what the wailing wall is. The Dome of the Rock replaced a temple the Romans put on top of the rubble to thier gods, so the Jews lost what they had there from the time of the Romans destruction in 70 AD.
Hadrian and Augustus expanded the temple mount to build the Temple of Jupiter on the site. They didn't cover the entire structure with 50 feet of dirt. Actually, they fooled the Jews that survived the death inside the walls of Jerusalem and were not part of those taken to Rome as slaves ......these folks seemed to have been fooled in thinking that the Romans were intending to rebuild what they had destroyed .....When the Jews discovered they had been lied to ....another series of revolts began.
Davy
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And Jesus said not one stone atop another, which of course includes the Western Wall.
And there's still stone structures on the Temple Mount today.
Doesn't take a whole lot of common sense then to grasp that Jesus was pointing to destruction of stones on the LAST DAY of this world with His 2nd coming. The 70 A.D. destruction served only as a 'blueprint', just like Antiochus IV serves as a 'blueprint' for the future "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be placed in a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem for the end.
And in His command for us to learn a parable of the fig tree, He did say the generation will be the one that will SEE ALL THESE THINGS, meaning ALL the SIGNS He gave in that Matthew 24 Chapter. Well now, that includes His prophecy of not one stone atop another at that temple mount. And what do ya know, the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple!
Those who refuse to understand the above simply default to the idiotic doctrines of men, which many of those false doctrines are pushing by the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan".
I think 'Christian Europe' is no longer as you can find by going to the cathedrals and grand churches, empty of any worshipers...
The Western Wall was not the Temple, it surround the complex, and the disciples were praising the Temple when Christ told them what would happen to it..
Randy Kluth
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Yes, I've done a limited amount of "touring." Historical sites, however, are not the same as currently active houses of worship. Christianity is still alive in Europe, although the culture has turned decidedly in the direction of Antichristianity. What used to be "State Christianity" is now a poor image of what it once was. And never was it free of contamination with pseudo-Christianity, which is sectarian, legalistic, or liberal.
Davy
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Davy
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"The Western Wall was not the Temple"
"The Western Wall was not the Temple"
"The Western Wall was not the Temple", blah, blah, blah, like a broken record, as if that tunnel vision statement proves anything.
Not one stone atop another INCLUDES the Western Wall of the old Temple complex. And now the Dome of the Rock Islamic structures on the Temple Mount are also included, destined to be destroyed on the day of Christ's future return.
Wick Stick
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Only if the Western Wall was built prior to the prophecy... which is debatable.
But the Temple simply wasn't on that mountain AT ALL. It was fed by and included the Gihon Spring, which is across a valley and one mountain south.
The Wall was constructed a long time after the Temple was destroyed. During the reign of the Umayyad dynasty in the 7th century AD, the wall grew by four new layers as the lower rows of Herod's masonry gradually went underground.
During the Ottoman period, fourteen new layers of masonry appeared, and three more appeared in the middle of the twentieth century.
The Wall now has 45 stone layers, 28 aboveground, and 17 underground. The seven above-ground layers are thought to date back to Herod's reign.
In other words, the wall was not there when the Herod Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The fact that the wall was completed afterwards, does not make the Jesus Prophecy wrong at all. The Gihon Springs has a series of aquifers that transport that water to the Temple site ...The aquifers have been discovered and mapped accordingly .....
During the Ottoman period, fourteen new layers of masonry appeared, and three more appeared in the middle of the twentieth century.
The Wall now has 45 stone layers, 28 aboveground, and 17 underground. The seven above-ground layers are thought to date back to Herod's reign.
In other words, the wall was not there when the Herod Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The fact that the wall was completed afterwards, does not make the Jesus Prophecy wrong at all. The Gihon Springs has a series of aquifers that transport that water to the Temple site ...The aquifers have been discovered and mapped accordingly .....
Davy
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You'd have a hard time convincing the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem about that. They didn't just see a wall and say, "Look, we can pray at that wall, and G_d will hear us!"
I understand that. The reality says the opposite of what you have claimed and what Hobie has claimed. Archeologists have been identifying the realities versus the myths. That wall wasn’t there when the Unfinished Herod Temple was destroyed.
Jesus made a very plain and simple statement in Matthew 5:5: “The meek will inherit the earth.” Jesus did not invent that statement; he quoted Psalm 37:11. Many of the Jews of Jesus’ time had lost sight of the hope that Israel would be restored on earth, and the situation is the same today. The simple meaning of Matthew 5:5 has been lost due to the traditional teaching that saved people live in heaven forever after they die. Actually, what the Bible teaches is that Jesus Christ will come down from heaven to the earth, fight and win the Battle of Armageddon, and set up his kingdom on earth, which will fill the whole earth (Ps. 2:8; 72:8-11; Dan. 2:35; 7:14; Mic. 5:4; Zech. 9:10; Rev. 2:8; 19:11-21). He will set up his palace in the newly rebuilt Jerusalem, and for 1,000 years reign over all the earth. All the people who have been saved will be there because they will have been raised from the dead. Many scholars refer to this 1,000-year kingdom as the “Millennial Kingdom.” It is the first 1,000 years of the “Kingdom” that Jesus spoke about so often when he taught about “the Kingdom of God.” After the 1,000 years are over there will be a great war (Rev. 20:7-10). Then there will be the second resurrection, and after that the Everlasting City will come down from heaven to earth, and all the saved people of all time will live in it forever (Rev. 21:1-4). Thus, the future reign of Christ on earth is divided into two parts, the Millennial Kingdom, which will last 1,000 years (Rev. 20:1-7), and the Everlasting Kingdom, which will last forever (Rev. 21-22).
The comment started when it was claimed that the temple mount didn't have the entire mount turned. The claim was made that the wall was not removed. Today's wall wasn't there.
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