Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out.

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ScottA

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interesting...after having been backsidden a number of years, my marriage ready to descend into the abyss, ans my children lining up to follow, I hid alone and cried out to God for help. That above verse was what He said to me. In response to that, and in faith accepting His acceptance of me into His kingdom once again, I sought the meaning of His righteousness...as a result of that search, study, and prayer, I discovered the sanctuary and the wonderful meanings of types and anti types revealed throughout scripture, beginning in the sanctuary, all of which in turn led me to the above list of doctrine and spiritual rebellion. So your quote which you think I should now be moving on to, was in fact where I started.
Sounds like first love. Welcome back!
 
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07. King James Bible as the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English, I read the KJV as my primary English Bible... but I would not go with you as I believe I already indicated on another post.
God stated, that He not only "inspired" men to write the scriptures, but that He would also "preserve" His word (see Psalms 12:6-7 for example). So, do you believe that God perfectly preserved His word somewhere on earth, and if so, does anyone have access to it? The subject is not about "primary" (our preference), but God's character and promise.
 

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I do agree, but the name does not really matter that much. A name like this that does not really describe what I am for the benefit of someone I want to understand it, is meaningless or confusing.
Does your 'God' have a name, and if so what is it?
 

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No, that right does not belong to you, nor to me, nor to any human being. It belongs to God alone to define the word, and God did do so in scripture, beginning with these:

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act_2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Any other definition apart from the scriptural one is "private interpretation", or private definition.
I say I reserve the right not because while the word is used in scripture, people today, have already redefined it by their usage of it. My definition, if I had one, would simply be one seeking to be "Christ-like". I don't like to be lumped in with those who bear the label with little of no resemblance to Jesus and little no apparent movement toward Him.
 
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I say I reserve the right not because while the word is used in scripture, people today, have already redefined it by their usage of it. My definition, if I had one, would simply be one seeking to be "Christ-like". I don't like to be lumped in with those who bear the label with little of no resemblance to Jesus and little no apparent movement toward Him.
What do you mean by "Christ" in "Christ-like"? What do you mean by "Jesus"?
 

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08. Annihilationist (wicked will be ultimately destroyed and gone forever after 3rd Advent), I would call myself an annihilationist as well.
You believe then that the wicked do not suffer eternally in unending torments (as Roman Catholicism and as Islam teach), but are brought to ashes after limited suffering?
 

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If any believe that God used the satanic ideology of evolutionism or great ages of time (millions, billions of years) in the earth's and creaturely creation, that person has left the scriptural idea of Creation, and is not a Creationist after the bibles definition, and hold to ideas opposed to Christ Jesus' and the scriptures most basic and plainest of statements.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mar_10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.​

The Genealogies of Matthew and Luke demonstrate the time frame of the creation of the earth and the creatures therein. The blood of Abel shed unto Zacharias, and the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and so many other texts.

The Age of the Earth/mankind may be seen in full here -
Yes, I glanced into those links and saved them for reference myself. I am not an evolutionist, but neither am I a scientist although I have my own ideas about science, which a genuinely pure scientist might appreciate, but I don't know any of those. My beliefs on this are biblical although I have not categorized so neatly as you. I have my Bibles which I read and I have my notes on my computer which are tremendously long, since they consist of many of my own writings as well as of others of interest. My conclusions hopefully are God's, but I would not now even try to put them down like you did. They have changes since I was a Catholic more than once... yet my first encounter with God was when I officially became a Catholic at 6 years old when a priest baptized me.
 

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09. Soul Sleepist (conditional mortalist; anti-psychopannychiast), No position as I only have a vague notion as to what you mean.
Scriptural definition:

Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Job_14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

Dan_12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

In other words, those who die, whether in Christ or out, return to dust:

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.​

Only in their respective resurrection are they awakened from the sleep of death.

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The flood of Noah was entirely global, covering the entire surface of the whole earth, as in not merely localized, nor ethnocentric. It is parallel to the fire that will soon cover all the earth in the third advent of Jesus Christ, which annihilates the wicked.

Zep_3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

2Pe_3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Those who localize the flood, do not follow their theology to the end, where the conclusion is that the fire to come would also be localized, wherein the wicked would not all be destroyed, but live, even as they have them do for their imaginative local flood, which they believe to preserve their evolutionary dogmas and idealogies, for a global flood is entirely counter to such.
OK, but I take things as they come and as God gives to me. Before I backslid I was working hard to get it all down just right. Since God allowed me to come back...or drew me back, I strive to follow Him by humble surrender.
 

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10. Ten Commandments (God's Law for all mankind in all times) No simple answer here.
Only to those who refuse the simple sayings of scripture is there "No simple answer", and make the complication themselves, for they are divided within themselves, having a God of no single standard and judgment for all creation. They either believe God's word, or are confused about God's word, or reject God's word:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man (Hebrew: "Adam").
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Jesus said:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.​
 

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11. Sabbath of the LORD - keeper (the 7th day of the scriptural week as formulated at creation/Genesis) etc) I am sure that I am not a 7th day believer in the sense I think you mean it.
You are confused. You continually refer to what "I think" something means. This is counter to what I have continually stated, and it is insulting because it simply rejects what I have stated, and you substitute what I have not stated as defining my position. What "I think" is irrelevant. God's word defines itself, Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20, etc. I have no say in any definition. The 7th Day is the 7th day (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Isaiah 58:13; Mark 2:27-28, etc), and if a person is not keeping that Holy as God expressly, plainly commanded, then they are not keeping the commandment, nor the day Holy, but do their own thing, and have a law of their own, their own 'truth' apart from God, being self-righteous. God's definition (see texts cited) is the standard, not I.
 
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It is simple. One believes that the God of scripture is JEHOVAH Elohiym (LORD God), or they do not. If they believe that some other 'God' is the God of scripture, such as 'Allah', 'Brahma', etc., they have left the Bible and cling to another source and to another 'God'.
Thank you for your simplicity. I guess I am simple in a sense, but I do believe in God. I do believe that what is written in the Bible was written as God inspired the writers. I move cautiously about condemning others for where they are or where they are not, as I do not know all things and I have not yet overcome all of the world as I see it, not yet... But God is still working on me.
 

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13. Millenialist (aka chiliast) (literal, natural 1,000 years to come (spent in Heaven, not on earth)) Same answer as to your #12
A "Millennialist" (aka chiliast) believes that the 1,000 years of Revelation 20; Isaiah 14, etc are literally and naturally 1,000 years, without any symbolism attached. In this instance, the belief carries with it, the scriptural teaching that this 1,000 years will be (in main) spent in Heaven by the saints, not be spent upon the earth (in brief):

[1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6] and

[2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10].​
 

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15. Unfallen (no sin) Life on Unfallen Worlds believer (not little green, grey, etc men or beast men)I have not a clue as to what you mean.
Look up into Heaven, and see the stars? God has created life on those other worlds near such stars before mankind was ever created, and those worlds and creations are unfallen (without sin), as scripture details:

The unfallen “worlds”, and the unfallen beings therein which “went not astray”, being “just persons, which need no repentance”:

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Side note, those of man-kind, which are in Christ Jesus, are the 'aliens' to the wicked, for we are the very strangers and pilgrims [Satan has counterfeited and reversed this] in the universe. In reverse, the unfallen worlds are the natural, and sinners are the unnatural, thus are alienated from God:

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.​

We are that one lost world, whom the Son of God, 'Jesus', left the '99' for in Heaven to come and save us, that he might come from that “far country” (Isaiah 13:5) and deliver us, and “return home” with us, that we may once again have a “place” among those “many mansions”:

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Matthew 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Luke 15:5 And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.

Luke 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

(God spreadeth out the heavens as a tent, a house, and thus the planets are individual rooms therein, or mansions therein in which to dwell)​

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​
 
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I did not say that I was "trinitarian", and in fact stated was not so, by refusing the definition of Roman Catholicism, which is spiritualism. Therefore, since you stated you do not call yourself one either, would you briefly explain what you do believe.

For instance, what I believe, summed up:

"... There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powersthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. ..." - Ms 21, 1906 (November 1905) par. 11

[please note the difference between merely "three" and "trio" [three working together in one accord, at-one-ment, "chord", etc

Merriam Webster's 1828 Dictionary as used by sister White:

TRIO, n. A concert of three parts; three united.”

THREE, a. [L. tres.]

1. Two and one.

I offer thee three things. 2 Samuel 24:12.
2. It is often used like other adjectives, without the noun to which it refers.

Abishai--attained not to the first three. 2 Samuel 23:18-19.
3. Proverbially, a small number.

Away, thou three-inched fool. [I believe obsolete.”]]
I could also speak about the words “duo”, which is never used in the context of the Father and Son, or Son and Holy Spirit, or Father and Holy Spirit. Always, three.

Yet, to get the idea of “duo”, or “quartet”, etc, I could speak of the 'Dynamic Duo' [Batman and Robin], they are two persons working together to take vengeance from God, which is theft [Exodus 20:15; Romans 12:19 KJB, or I could speak of a “quartet”, or “Barbershop Quartet”, they are 4 persons working together to make a single sound, a harmony, and so therefore, 3 working together unitedly as are not merely “three” [as three 'seals' on a beach] but are indeed correctly identified as a “trio” [such as a 'trio' of trained seals in an aquatic show, working together, performing as with a single goal], which are an at-one-ment “chord”, united not as a single person, but multiple [3] persons with a united goal]]​
Briefly I do not embrace any kind of a three in one God. I embrace one God. What I believe, is only a belief. My knowledge is that God exists. I studied this thing for years and discussed it in too much depth with too many people on this and other forums. I have talked to God about it many times. I won't get into an in depth discussion with you on it here. I believe in God the Father. I believe that Jesus His Son is also God, but the Holy Spirit is not separate entity nor a connected part of any trio, or triune or trinity. Rather the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is a special manifestation of the Father. If God is multiple in any way, I would lean more toward a duality than a trinity, but I also won't call that absolute. God is what He is. I believe in Him and I ask Him to let me what He knows that I need to know when I need to know it. Me writing a lengthy dissertation on what I believe or know is not going to change what God is or what He not.
 

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16. Continuing Gifts in the Church (such as gift of Prophecy, through persons like (but not limited to) sister Ellen G White), in other words, a non-'cessastionist'. I believe in continuing gifts.
Another good and clear answer. Thank you. Do you then believe that the gift of prophecy and/or prophets still exists in this our day among those gifts that continue?

Have you personally tested sister White as one who has claimed that gift? If so, how?
 

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God stated, that He not only "inspired" men to write the scriptures, but that He would also "preserve" His word (see Psalms 12:6-7 for example). So, do you believe that God perfectly preserved His word somewhere on earth, and if so, does anyone have access to it? The subject is not about "primary" (our preference), but God's character and promise.
I think I answered your questions on this point on another post on this thread already. We disagree and that is OK. Not everyone is at the same place on the highway of holiness toward becoming like Him. Not everyone is to have precisely the same function in the Body of Christ. What is written in our hearts by the Holy Spirit is what matters. I am glad that God gave men written Bibles, but let us leave that for the moment.
 

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18. Resurrectionist (belief in the resurrection, not merely of Jesus (and others past), but also of the 3 resurrections to come; special (mixture), first great (just/righteous) and second great (unjust/damnation)I believe in rebirth or resurrection, but unable to use your terminology.
Number 18 is dealing with physical resurrection, not spiritual rebirth (resurrection, which is also believed). So, do you not believe in physical resurrections to come?

E: [a special resurrection, some righteous, some wicked - to witness Christ coming in Power in Glory to fulfill His Word] Daniel 12:1-3,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13

F: [[first great] resurrection [of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory], raised] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the "reapers"] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7

H: [[second great] resurrection [of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints [then immortal] descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20]] John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a​