Your thoughts on assisted dying?

[Mancunian]

The legalisation of assisted dying in England and Wales could move a step closer on Friday when MPs vote on a proposal to introduce it.

The bill would allow adults with fewer than six months to live to apply to be given help to end their own life, subject to certain safeguards.

If safeguards are in place, then I'm all for it.
Keeping people alive who are in terrible pain is barbaric.

Why not let them choose to end their own suffering?

 

[Mancunian]

The rejection of the assisted dying bill has been described as a "devastating setback for dying people" by the Dignity in Dying charity.

The charity says law change on assisted dying remains a "matter of when, not if", adding that the practice has already been legalised in Jersey and the Isle of Man.

Dave Sowry, the chair of My Death, My Decision, has said the result is "a travesty and deathly disappointing" but that the campaign group will continue to fight for a compassionate law.

He adds that it also "leaves the current unsafe and unequal status quo exactly as it is", with people who are unable to afford travelling abroad to Switzerland, where assisted dying is legal, being "left without that choice".

Typical of this country, only people who can afford it get the chance to end their suffering legally and the rest of us have to suck it up.

 

[Matthias]

Everyone is going to die. Suicide is self murder. Assisted suicide is assisted self murder.

There are better pain management options available.

 

[Mancunian]

You've already stated that you didn't take the COVID vaccinations, your choice and rightfully so.
What if you had less than six months to live, didn't want to carry on, you're in excruciating pain and they were forcing you to take medication against your will, that takes away your choice and violates bodily autonomy.

It's not suicide, it's assisted dying.

 

[Matthias]

You've already stated that you didn't take the COVID vaccinations, your choice and rightfully so.
What if you had less than six months to live, didn't want to carry on …

That’s not a realistic scenario for me. I will always have something and someone to live / carry on for.

… you're in excruciating pain and they were forcing you to take medication against your will, that takes away your choice and violates bodily autonomy.

It's not suicide, it's assisted dying.

 

[Jericho]

I think it's a slippery slope when it's state sanctioned. Eventually, perfectly healthy people will be euthanized for seemingly trivial reasons, like feeling unhappy. There have already been instances like that. If people want to off themselves, they don't need the state to do it.

 

[ScottA]

The legalisation of assisted dying in England and Wales could move a step closer on Friday when MPs vote on a proposal to introduce it.

The bill would allow adults with fewer than six months to live to apply to be given help to end their own life, subject to certain safeguards.

If safeguards are in place, then I'm all for it.
Keeping people alive who are in terrible pain is barbaric.

Why not let them choose to end their own suffering?

It's murder.

The problem is swinging the pendulum to actively take on an extreme opposite role. The answer is not being proactive in causing someone to live or to die--but rather to let people live, and also let them die.

Do you see the difference?

 

[Matthias]

“BREAKING: The UK Parliament has voted by 286-270 to REJECT assisted suicide / euthanasia. …”

Dr. Calum Miller (@DrCalumMiller) on X

BREAKING: The UK Parliament has voted by 286-270 to REJECT assisted suicide/euthanasia. An incredible result. Thank you to EVERYONE who worked tirelessly on defeating this wretched bill. Especially Right to Life UK and my beloved wife!

x.com

 

[Mancunian]

It's not murder.
It's illegal to murder somebody in Switzerland but assisted dying is legal.
The Manx government recently made assisted dying legal on the Island and good on them.
We don't let animals suffer unnecessarily so why would we let a human being?

It's inhumane to watch somebody suffer and totally ignore their wishes.

 

[Mancunian]

That’s not a realistic scenario for me. I will always have something and someone to live / carry on for.

Yes but it's a very real scenario for some people.

 

[Mancunian]

I think it's a slippery slope when it's state sanctioned. Eventually, perfectly healthy people will be euthanized for seemingly trivial reasons, like feeling unhappy. There have already been instances like that. If people want to off themselves, they don't need the state to do it.

Some people don't have the luxury of being able bodied enough to just off themselves, these are very poorly individuals that we're talking about.

 

[Jericho]

Some people don't have the luxury of being able bodied enough to just off themselves, these are very poorly individuals that we're talking about.

If they're not able bodied enough, how do you know they're mentally abled enough to make that decision?

 

[Matthias]

Yes but it's a very real scenario for some people.

Those people need what I have, and they can have it.

 

[Matthias]

Here’s a thought: Assistance can be rendered to a dying person which doesn’t require killing the dying person.

 

[Mancunian]

Here’s a thought: Assistance can be rendered to a dying person which doesn’t require killing the dying person.

Yes, the status quo.
I really hope that you or I are never in that position.

 

[Mancunian]

If they're not able bodied enough, how do you know they're mentally abled enough to make that decision?

There's such a thing as a will and Testament that you can fill in with your lawyer when you're of sound mind.
After all, people's dying wishes are taken into account when money and real estate are at stake.
We could argue that when making your will you could include what you would prefer in the event of.....
Organ donation is something else that could be included?
Of course there would have to be safeguards in place, the same as with any number of legal matters.

 

[Bob]

It is a natural follow-on for a state/nation that has universal health care to reduce costs by encouraging the unhealthy to end their lives. Canada is a classic example: “MAID” is currently being offered as an option for any expensive health care.

It is also natural when one views humans as just another social mammal, to equate ending deliberately the lives of people and animals.

This topic has been discussed at length already in this Forum, with no consensus even among Christians.

Canada Sets New Record, Killing 16,499 People by Euthanasia – Disabled Citizens Feel 'Threatened'

As Canada approaches its 10-year mark of practicing legalized assisted suicide, a new government report finds that the c

cbn.com

 

[Matthias]

Yes, the status quo.

The “status quo” - assisting a dying person without hastening their death or causing it - is a good thing.

I really hope that you or I are never in that position.

Would you rather die alone naturally?

 

[Riven]

I think it's a slippery slope when it's state sanctioned. Eventually, perfectly healthy people will be euthanized for seemingly trivial reasons, like feeling unhappy. There have already been instances like that. If people want to off themselves, they don't need the state to do it.

I agree. People are too stupid not to abuse the system. Soon enough you'll have people lining up to leave this planet because of a break up, or not getting enough likes on social media.

 

[Bob]

The news reports out of UK have a good breakdown of the whys and wherefores leading up to and after the vote.

Example:
Following the vote, Hospice UK's Toby Porter said now is the time for Bill opponents and supporters to "channel their energy and passion into fixing" what he described as a "hospice funding crisis".

He added: "The Prime Minister has recently stated the need to fix palliative care funding. His support is welcome, but his words must now be accompanied by meaningful action. "

Among list of the (losing) Ayes, Muslim names are absent, but they are scattered among the Nays. They might have made the difference in the outcome. Occasionally, Muslims and Catholics find themselves on the same side!