101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
so we can take this as, I was RIGHT...
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
What does the Christian need to do when they have sinned?
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101G
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Dear brother Mark. lets get to the understanding of the sins that are PAST.
Understand when our Lord Jesus died on the CROSS, we were imputed his righteousness. supportive scripture. Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Romans 5:13 "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."
Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
Romans 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Romans 5:16 "And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification."
Romans 5:17 "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)"
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." (READ THAT AGAIN.)
Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
in a nutshell, by God free Gift, many was made righteous. so what happens now?..... just like the first Adam in the Garden, we have a free choice, to obey or not to obey. so what are you going to do? re-play history? I hope not because the sacrifice is already made.
see when born now, as not before, because of one man sin we were born sinners. well not now, because of Christ. side note, that just answered the question do babies go to heaven, or is saved), well they are saved. because it is when one come into the KNOWLEDGE of RIGHT ad WRONG, are we held accountable for our actions done in this body. scripture, Romans 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (BINGO, when one comes into the KNOWLEDGE of Good and EVIL, then one is accountable).
Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead." (BINGO, babies has no knowledge of sin, or any commandments). also take note, when we are BORN again, we're NEW BORN BABIES IN, IN, IN, Christ Jesus. and we GROW UP IN CHRIST. and as any new born, and any adolescence, we make mistakes. (this is why I knew people in Christ do sin, many innocently, and some willfully, and some willfully ignorantly). so when one said, "haven't sin since christ", 1 John 1:8 is clear, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.", lets continue,
Romans 7:9 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."
Romans 7:10 "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death."
Romans 7:11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."
many are deceived today, believing they have no sin. well if you're alive and Living in a body, yes you do have sin, until you die, but you don't have to act on it.
people please understand, REDEMPTION is two fold. what do I men. our spirit are redeemed, but this flesh we have to overcome, because sin was condemned in the flesh. this is where the fight is at, not with each other. listen, Galatians 5:15 "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."
Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (BINGO, what did Paul say about the LUST of the Flesh?" read above, Roman 7:7 and James 1:14 and James 4:1-5, please read them). lets continue,
Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." (BINGO, there is our fight to overcome, yes within us, our outward man... the flesh).
Galatians 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.". (there is our answer).
so in conclusion, Mark we're dealing with our, our, our, sins, when we come into the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.. sins that are either, innocently done, willfully, and some willfully ignorant. our first fight is with ourselves, and we have been given help, to overcome. the only thing we need to do is surrender, and let God fight our battles. this is short and to the point as I can get in time and space.
now I posted this for a discussion, and not as an argument.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
I could say I don't understand why you won't address my post. But maybe I do.
"Sins that are past" refers in that passage to sins that were before Jesus died. Not sins before you became a Christian.
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What we can see here are two times referenced, "At this time", that is, the time current to the writer, and, "sins that are past", literally, "having occurred before", that is, before the current time of the writer.
Romans 3:25-26 KJV
25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:25-26 YLT
25) whom God did set forth a mercy seat, through the faith in his blood, for the shewing forth of His righteousness, because of the passing over of the bygone sins in the forbearance of God—
26) for the shewing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for His being righteous, and declaring him righteous who is of the faith of Jesus.
These are times relating to the writer, not your life experience.
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Compare to . . .
not before I came to Christ, who died on the cross FOR MY SINS THAT ARE PAST BEFORE I CAME TO HIM. I thought it was just a mistake...
You've added words that significantly change the meaning of the passage.
Much love!
101G
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stop right there mark, did you sin before or after christ died on the cross....... this will answer you entire question.
your answer please.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
You keep trying to avoid this.
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What we can see here are two times referenced, "At this time", that is, the time current to the writer, and, "sins that are past", literally, "having occurred before", that is, before the current time of the writer.
Romans 3:25-26 KJV
25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:25-26 YLT
25) whom God did set forth a mercy seat, through the faith in his blood, for the shewing forth of His righteousness, because of the passing over of the bygone sins in the forbearance of God—
26) for the shewing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for His being righteous, and declaring him righteous who is of the faith of Jesus.
These are times relating to the writer, not your life experience.
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Compare to . . .
not before I came to Christ, who died on the cross FOR MY SINS THAT ARE PAST BEFORE I CAME TO HIM. I thought it was just a mistake...
You've added words that significantly change the meaning of the passage.
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"sins that are past", not, "sins in your past".
You are the one who divides your sins according to before you came to faith and after. But this passage does not do that.
Much love!
Be careful Nancy:
We may well confess that we ourselves in our flesh alone cannot stop sinning, but should we limit God and ask accusing questions of others!
"And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27
And if God is in us, leading us, guiding us, is it impossible for Him to lead us completely out of sin? In the OT the people of God limited God:
"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41
Do the people of God today also limit Him? I believe that they do which is why Apostle Paul wrote this:
"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19
When and if we do quench the Holy Spirit in us, we similarly limit God.
So then if a person truly born of God cannot sin as per I John 3:9, could it be that some who claim to be born of God may not yet be...? Could it be that some really are missing what it means to be born of God?
If a person were really now walking without any sin in his life, how would someone still in sin recognize it? Should we be asking people if they have done this or if they are doing that to what... trip them up? Is that not what the scribes and Pharisees tried to do to Jesus?
"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him..." John 8:5-6
"For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." II Cor 10:12
There is a difference between "does not sin" and "turns from sins and idols, and strives to be righteous, choosing not to sin". If every child of God was automatically rendered sinless, there would be no need for all the warnings and admonitions to Christians. Indeed John would not have said that any Christian who claims to be sinless makes God a liar and also deceives himself.
If I may....
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Michiah-Imla
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1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I have confessed my sins; and now I am born again. And the scriptures say:
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin
CharismaticLady
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It also means returning the money to the bank you robbed. LOL
LOL.
Restitution is under the Law.
Half the saints would be locked up upon baptism if they practiced that.
Also, God would have killed the 3000 Jews at pentecost.
Repentance towards God is all that is needed and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sins is all that is needed to fix the past.
CharismaticLady
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That was the part about "make restitution".
I've always like the words, "make whole". Make it as if what you did to someone never happened, as much as is in your power.
Much love!
Sometimes this making it as if it never happened is an impossibility. I hurt people more than once where this was the case. God forgave me but part of my ongoing penance is never being able to forget what I did and especially that I was unable to make it right with those people.
CharismaticLady
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Hey T, you took 1 John 1:8 out of context. Try it with the next verse TOGETHER. I like Good News For Modern Man. Maybe it will help you see what the author means.
Verse 9 is how to become a Christian, like Acts 2:38, therefore verse 8 is before Christ.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing.
So, T, if you've been cleansed of all sin, are you still dirty? Are you still a sinner? 1 John 3:1, God calls us children of God. That means we are no longer a slave to sin. So if you agree with Jesus that He takes away our sin, and we say we don't sin, we are not a liar, but confirming that Jesus is not a liar either.
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Awesome question.
Here is your Biblical answer....
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
There are 2 Truthers!!!
The spirit Truther is saved and the flesh Truther is not.
The son of God, and the son of Adam.
Righteous, condemned.
Alive, dead.
Faithful, hostile.
Empowered, powerless.
Much love!
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