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Why do we need prophets when we have the bible? Well, the simple answer is it is one of the gifts Jesus gave to the church to help equip us until He returns. (Ephesians 4: 9-16)

There are many attributes to this gift and one of them covered in this video is timing. Will you listen? Will you prepare and be ready? God uses prophets to tell us what time it is. Another way of saying it is -Do you know what time it is? And will you be ready?

Hey honey, "Do you know all the money you borrowed and gambled away, well the bill is coming due to pay it back! what are you going to do about it?"

Do we need prophets?
What other useful attributes of a prophet have you thought of?
Or do we need Jesus’s ministry at all today or can we each go it on our own? What do think?
Here’s a short video on some thoughts on that subject I made.

https://youtu.be/TZP3lDcPhQ8
We need His Church to be restored as He established it to be and how to function.....their are 5 offices of the church...why are these needed? For the perfecting of the saints until we all come into unity of faith...remove one of the offices then you have offended God and how He determined His church to operate.....
When the Holy Spirit fell upon the 120 in the upper room on the day of Pentecost, the church of Jesus Christ was birthed. The ministry of the church also began on this same day when Apostle Peter rose up and spoke the word that resulted in 3000 people being saved and baptised.
A divinely-called and Scripturally-ordained ministry has been provided by our Lord for the threefold purpose of leading the church:
1. Evangelisation of the world – (Mark 16:15-20 )
2. Worship of God in Spirit and truth – (John 4:23-24 )
3. Building a Body of saints being perfected in the image of His Son – (Ephesians 4:11-16 )

Apostle Paul introduces various offices as Christ’s gifts by quoting from Psalm 68:18 : When He ascended on high, He led captives in His train and gave gifts to men. The gifts given to men are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers (Ephesians 4:11 ).
 
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To ask if we need prophets today is error in knowledge and understanding....we need all 5 offices together functioning as He ordained them to...
Apostle
An Apostle is a delegate; specifically an ambassador of the Gospel. An official commissioner of Christ. Ambassadors sent with a mission.

The Apostles have the unique responsibility of establishing the church and building it through the Word of God. This ministry also includes the planting of churches. The apostolic function is similar to the task of the pioneer missionary today.

The Apostles are called to influence and impact cities and nations with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We see this pattern in the early church that whenever the apostles stepped into cities, they influenced the entire city.

Prophet
According to the uniform teaching of the Bible, the prophet is a speaker of or for God. The words of prophets are not the production of their own spirit, but come from a higher source. The prophet is, at the same time, a seer, who sees things that do not lie in the domain of natural sight, or who hears things that human ears do not ordinarily receive. (Compare 1Samuel 9:9 , where nābhı̄’ – speaker – and rō’eh – seer – are used as synonymous terms).

Prophets are those in the apostolic church who have a special ministry of inspired utterance. While the apostles and evangelists took the gospel to the unregenerate world, the prophets exercised an edifying ministry to the various churches. For example, Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets said much to encourage and strengthen the brethren (Acts 15:32 ).

Prophets have seen that which they prophesy, although they need not have seen it in the form of a real vision. They can also “see” words with their inner eyes (as in Isaiah 2:1 and other instances). This is an expression used to refer to moments in Scriptures where God has spoken to the prophet. Likewise, it is not necessary to have heard a voice phonetically through the natural ear either.

Evangelist
ē̇-van´jel-ist: This is a form of the word ordinarily translated as “gospel” (euaggélion), except that here it designates one who announces that gospel to others (euaggelistḗs, “a bringer of good tidings”).

In that sense, God Himself is an evangelist, for He preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham (Gal 3:8 ); Jesus Christ was an evangelist, for He also preached the gospel (Luk 20:1 ); Paul was an evangelist as well as an apostle (Rom 1:15 ); Philip the deacon was an evangelist (Act 21:8 ); and Timothy, the pastor (2 Ti 4:5 ); and indeed all the early disciples who, on being driven out of Jerusalem, went everywhere preaching the word (Act 8:4 ).

But Eph 4:11 teaches that one particular order of the ministry – distinguished from every other – is singled out by the Head of the church for this work in a distinctive sense. All may possess the gift of an evangelist in a measure, and be obligated to exercise its privilege and duty, but some are specifically endued with it. He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers.

The evangelist has no fixed place of ministry, but moves about in different localities preaching the gospel. As unbelievers come to the saving knowledge and are united to Jesus Christ by faith, the work of the pastor and teacher begins to instruct them further in the things of Christ and build them up in the faith.

Pastor
The term “Pastor” can also be translated as “shepherds.” Jesus called Himself the Good Shepherd who gathers the flock, cares for them, knows them, rescues them when they stray and lays down His life for them (John 10:2-16 ). He remains the Chief Shepherd (Hebrews 13:20 ).

Pastors have the ministry and responsibility of caring for and protecting God’s flock as well as being worthy of their imitation.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 provides instructions for the selection of local and elected officers. The first of these officers is the “elder;” a term indicating age and maturity. In the Greek-speaking world, the term “bishop” was used as the equivalent of elder. Bishop literally means overseer or superintendent. Acts 20:28 indicates that they were also expected to have the ministry of shepherd or pastor.

Pastors serve, inspires and live as a role models for the assembly. Ordination does not make them ministers; it simply recognizes the ministry God has already given them.

Teacher
Teachers are given a special ability to explain and interpret the truth of God’s revelation (Mathew 28:19-20; Ephesians 4:11 ; 2 John 10 ). Some were itinerant, going from church to church. However, Ephesians 4:11 seems to connect pastor and teacher as a twofold ministry.

As we have noted, the responsibilities of each office is quite diverse; however, the goal is one and the same: To glorify God and see the Kingdom of God advance. Every office is essential and although our calls may be different, unity is key.

4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but they all come from the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve the same Lord, 6 and we can each do different things. Yet the same God works in all of us and helps us in everything we do. – (1 Corinthians 14:4-6 )
 

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The Bible states that he will pour his spirit out on his people in the last days. It would be foolish to believe that the end of days that God wouldn't speak through his people- considering that we know what the gift of prophecy is for - edifying and encouragement for building up the body of Christ before his return.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves; stand firm with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, tread carefully, and let your words be filled with wisdom and seasoned with grace.


The prophetic gift is also for exposing evil, which is part of what being wise as serpents and harmless as doves is for: The command is not to be overcome by the darkness but to expose it, and send it scurrying. Don't you agree?
 
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Prophets have seen that which they prophesy, although they need not have seen it in the form of a real vision. They can also “see” words with their inner eyes (as in Isaiah 2:1 and other instances). This is an expression used to refer to moments in Scriptures where God has spoken to the prophet. Likewise, it is not necessary to have heard a voice phonetically through the natural ear either.
I have to say that most of the time when I have heard something out loud it hasn't been good- usually demonic. Visions of words and seeking after God to speak to me in a particular way (something foolish I learned in the beginning from a prophecy course) led me to a lot of satanic mess. If I told everyone on here my experiences nobody would believe me.

When I have known that I know what I know something it has been from God and I know it is from God.

I can't say that he'll speak one way or another, only that he will do it his way whatever that may be. I learned not to go looking for it either and just draw near to Him.

There is no such thing as a prophecy course. The only way is to let God use a person as he chooses and to seek his heart first, thirst after him, and obey his commandments. "If you love me, keep my commandments."

But the spirit of pride is a dangerous road and we must be humble and take refuge under his wing.

That's just my PSA
 
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The prophetic gift is also for exposing evil, which is part of what being wise as serpents and harmless as doves is for: The command is not to be overcome by the darkness but to expose it, and send it scurrying. Don't you agree?
Yes I see that passage in reference to evangelism and knowing that we are going to step into battle with people who don't necessarily think we're awesome. Lol

Street preachers, for example, being arrested or under attack- and a lot of times they aren't always careful with their speech and tend to be hellfire preaching that can do more harm than good- Paul said something on the lines of "I gave you spiritual milk before solid food, because you were not ready."

We need to keep that in mind with unbelievers.

If we are going to spread the Word we have to be gentle but also be wise.

Maybe they hear a little too much of what we are against and not enough of what we are for.
 

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When you add to the book of Revelation, that in effect is despising the prophecies of the apostle-prophet John. Who said in effect "There will be no more prophecies after this book".
Do you have the actual verse for that?

Context is important
 

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I have to say that most of the time when I have heard something out loud it hasn't been good- usually demonic. Visions of words and seeking after God to speak to me in a particular way (something foolish I learned in the beginning from a prophecy course) led me to a lot of satanic mess. If I told everyone on here my experiences nobody would believe me.

When I have known that I know what I know something it has been from God and I know it is from God.

I can't say that he'll speak one way or another, only that he will do it his way whatever that may be. I learned not to go looking for it either and just draw near to Him.

There is no such thing as a prophecy course. The only way is to let God use a person as he chooses and to seek his heart first, thirst after him, and obey his commandments. "If you love me, keep my commandments."

But the spirit of pride is a dangerous road and we must be humble and take refuge under his wing.

That's just my PSA
That is good that you know your Father's voice....many people err in being able to discern and know the difference...

No such thing as a prophecy course as in a school of prophesy? But their is such a thing as a mentor....

“THE LORD SAID TO HIM, ‘GO RETURN ON YOUR WAY TO THE WILDERNESS OF DAMASCUS, AND WHEN YOU HAVE ARRIVED, YOU SHALL ANOINT HAZAEL KING OVER ARAM; AND JEHU THE SON OF NIMSHI YOU SHALL ANOINT KING OVER ISRAEL; AND ELISHA THE SON OF SHAPHAT OF ABEL-MEHOLAH YOU SHALL ANOINT AS PROPHET IN YOUR PLACE.” (I KINGS 19:15-16)

When Elijah sought out Elisha, the younger man did not even question that he was to follow his new mentor. Instead, he only asked to be able to say goodbye to his parents.

Mentors Showing Others their Calling

In this scenario, Elijah was used by the Lord to call Elisha to become a prophet. This same concept can apply to the power of mentorship today. Often, mentors have the ability to lead their mentees down the right path, whether it is in a career, in their personal life, or in their religion.

People who serve as leaders or teachers have a very important job then. If they guide their mentees on the wrong path, the result could be negative. However, if they, instead, help their mentees see what their “calling” actually is, then they will have done their job and the outcome could be very positive.

“And when they had crossed over, Elijah said to Elisha, ‘Ask what I shall do for you before I am taken from you.’ And Elisha said, ‘Please, let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.’ He said, ‘You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so.’ As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven. Elisha saw it and cried out, ‘My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!’ and he saw Elijah no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces. He also took up the mantle of Elijah that fell from him and returned and stood by the bank of Jordan. He took the mantel of Elijah that fell from him and struck the waters and said, “where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?’ And when he also struck the waters, they were divided here and there; and Elisha crossed over.” (2 Kings 2:6-14)
 
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Do you have the actual verse for that?
Already posted. Here it is: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18)

So let's take this verse bit by bit and determine what was being said:

1. John wrote the last book of the Bible at the end of the apostolic period. All Christians recognize it as the final book of the canon of Scripture. And these words are found at the end of the last chapter.

2. It is primarily a prophetic book, therefore John calls it "the book of this prophecy" or "the prophecy of this book".

3. He has given a strict injunction to all who will read it. That they are not to add to these prophecies (whether oral or written is implied). To all the prophecies he has already given. Why? BECAUSE prophecies came to an end in AD 95-96. Paul said "Are there prophecies, they shall cease". And they ceased with this book. For proof go to the writings of the Apostolic Fathers (who never claim that they are writing prophetically).

4. "These things" is a direct reference to all the prophecies within this book. As far as God and Christ are concerned, Christians do not need any more prophecies.

5. John has placed a solemn warning to any man who will dare claim after him that God has given him additional prophecies after Revelation. He says that God will bring divine judgment on such presumption -- "the plagues that are written in this book".

So why were you asking for a specific verse if you are familiar with Revelation? If not, here it is as A BARRIER to any future prophets and prophecies.
 

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That is good that you know your Father's voice....many people err in being able to discern and know the difference...

No such thing as a prophecy course as in a school of prophesy? But their is such a thing as a mentor....

“THE LORD SAID TO HIM, ‘GO RETURN ON YOUR WAY TO THE WILDERNESS OF DAMASCUS, AND WHEN YOU HAVE ARRIVED, YOU SHALL ANOINT HAZAEL KING OVER ARAM; AND JEHU THE SON OF NIMSHI YOU SHALL ANOINT KING OVER ISRAEL; AND ELISHA THE SON OF SHAPHAT OF ABEL-MEHOLAH YOU SHALL ANOINT AS PROPHET IN YOUR PLACE.” (I KINGS 19:15-16)

When Elijah sought out Elisha, the younger man did not even question that he was to follow his new mentor. Instead, he only asked to be able to say goodbye to his parents.

Mentors Showing Others their Calling

In this scenario, Elijah was used by the Lord to call Elisha to become a prophet. This same concept can apply to the power of mentorship today. Often, mentors have the ability to lead their mentees down the right path, whether it is in a career, in their personal life, or in their religion.

People who serve as leaders or teachers have a very important job then. If they guide their mentees on the wrong path, the result could be negative. However, if they, instead, help their mentees see what their “calling” actually is, then they will have done their job and the outcome could be very positive.

“And when they had crossed over, Elijah said to Elisha, ‘Ask what I shall do for you before I am taken from you.’ And Elisha said, ‘Please, let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.’ He said, ‘You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so.’ As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven. Elisha saw it and cried out, ‘My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!’ and he saw Elijah no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces. He also took up the mantle of Elijah that fell from him and returned and stood by the bank of Jordan. He took the mantel of Elijah that fell from him and struck the waters and said, “where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?’ And when he also struck the waters, they were divided here and there; and Elisha crossed over.” (2 Kings 2:6-14)
Yes! Love that story. I should have elaborated on that a little- what I mean is nobody can tell us how the Lord will speak specifically, but the Lord is the teacher and decides himself. Deciding how he will speak ourselves can be a dangerous invitation for something else and we shouldn't give Satan an opportunity to deceive.

There are unfortunately a lot of "courses" and some expecting payment, when in reality the only thing we need to do is seek the Lord and his righteousness and put our faith and trust in Him. He is faithful!
 
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Do we need prophets, today?

To me - Considering my viewpoint of everything being fulfilled

What reasons would you need prophets today?


Is the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the 12 disciples who were the last Apostles and prophets not enough to suffice when it comes to ~ even having the holy spirits help in looking and understanding the bible through prayerful understanding, context, and what is provided in all of the holy bible? (Understanding in knowledge in Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom found in Christ Yeshua)

Or do you need more to help you in life ? Those who say look at all the signs and wonders look at all of the things coming together the last time is near! Be watchful, from people who try and predict the world ending, or that the return of the Lord is near?

I say no, we do not need prophets today.
 
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Yes! Love that story. I should have elaborated on that a little- what I mean is nobody can tell us how the Lord will speak specifically, but the Lord is the teacher and decides himself. Deciding how he will speak ourselves can be a dangerous invitation for something else and we shouldn't give Satan an opportunity to deceive.

There are unfortunately a lot of "courses" and some expecting payment, when in reality the only thing we need to do is seek the Lord and his righteousness and put our faith and trust in Him. He is faithful!
Yes and I hate that there are those out their trying to capitalize on God's prophetic callings....they are not true prophets or apostles....
 
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Already posted. Here it is: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18)

So let's take this verse bit by bit and determine what was being said:

1. John wrote the last book of the Bible at the end of the apostolic period. All Christians recognize it as the final book of the canon of Scripture.

2. It is primarily a prophetic book, therefore John calls it "the book of this prophecy" or "the prophecy of this book".

3. He has given a strict injunction to all who will read it. That they are not to add to these prophecies (whether oral or written is implied). To all the prophecies he has already given. Why? BECAUSE prophecies came to an end in AD 95-96. Paul said "Are there prophecies, they shall cease". And they ceased with this book. For proof go to the writings of the Apostolic Fathers (who never claim that they are writing prophetically).

4. "These things" is a direct reference to all the prophecies within this book. As far as God and Christ are concerned, Christians do not need any more prophecies.

5. John has placed a solemn warning to any man who will dare claim after him that God has given him additional prophecies after Revelation. He says that God will divine judgment on such presumption -- "the plagues that are written in this book".

So why were you asking for a specific verse is you are familiar with Revelation? If not, here it is as A BARRIER to any future prophets and prophecies.
Well, hold on a minute.

It doesn't negate prophecy in the end times as spoken by Joel and said in Acts. It seems clear to me that John is clearly giving a dire warning to not change the prophecy regarding what has been written.

And I asked because I wanted to be sure that I knew what verse you were speaking about so that I could be considerate about what you were saying and take your words to heart and make sure I understand you clearly. That's called being respectful.

Do any of us have the book of Revelation memorized by heart, anyway?
 

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Do we need prophets, today?

To me - Considering my viewpoint of everything being fulfilled

What reasons would you need prophets today?


Is the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the 12 disciples who were the last Apostles and prophets not enough to suffice when it comes to ~ even having the holy spirits help in looking and understanding the bible through prayerful understanding, context, and what is provided in all of the holy bible? (Understanding in knowledge in Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom found in Christ Yeshua)

Or do you need more to help you in life ? Those who say look at all the signs and wonders look at all of the things coming together the last time is near! Be watchful, from people who try and predict the world ending, or that the return of the Lord is near?
I say no, we do not need prophets today.
You misunderstand the purpose God has for the 5 offices of the Church....as I said above, He is the one who established His Church and how He wants it to operate....removing any of those offices because you don't think we need them anymore is a HUGE offense to God and what He purposed for these offices....
The first split of the church happened because man decided how the church should operate and today we now have over 45,000 different denominations preaching the Gospel according to their understanding...

SMH.....when will man ever learn?
 
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Well, hold on a minute.

It doesn't negate prophecy in the end times as spoken by Joel and said in Acts. It seems clear to me that John is clearly giving a dire warning to not change the prophecy regarding what has been written.

And I asked because I wanted to be sure that I knew what verse you were speaking about so that I could be considerate about what you were saying and take your words to heart and make sure I understand you clearly. That's called being respectful.

Do any of us have the book of Revelation memorized by heart, anyway?


Hello FluffyYellowDuck,

Revelation requires a huge deep study in which the old testament also helps in understanding though there are four different views on the book of revelation - Idealist view - Historic View - Futurist View - preterist view.

Also sometimes word studies to get even more deeper into the the book.

It is a book that needs to be taken slow, and also studied to get even more bigger picture and an acceptance of the ending and restoration that is made through - the winning of the Lord God Almighty.
 

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Well, hold on a minute.

It doesn't negate prophecy in the end times as spoken by Joel and said in Acts. It seems clear to me that John is clearly giving a dire warning to not change the prophecy regarding what has been written.

And I asked because I wanted to be sure that I knew what verse you were speaking about so that I could be considerate about what you were saying and take your words to heart and make sure I understand you clearly. That's called being respectful.

Do any of us have the book of Revelation memorized by heart, anyway?
Acts 2:15-21 KJV
[15] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. [16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: [19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: [20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: [21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Peter has clearly stated, the prophesy was fulfilled.
 
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Hello FluffyYellowDuck,

Revelation requires a huge deep study in which the old testament also helps in understanding though there are four different views on the book of revelation - Idealist view - Historic View - Futurist View - preterist view.

Also sometimes word studies to get even more deeper into the the book.

It is a book that needs to be taken slow, and also studied to get even more bigger picture and an acceptance of the ending and restoration that is made through - the winning of the Lord God Almighty.
What exactly is a preterist?
 

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Hello @Waiting on him

There is two different ones

Half preterist (Half-Fulfilled) that believe up to Rev 1 - 17 or 19 has happened already and 20-21 is left to happen.

Full preterist (Fully Fulfilled (all prophecies) ~ And believes all of Revelation has been completed - Preterist is a viewpoint that sees from looking at the bible and has made its stance that the destruction of Jerusalem in Ad 70 was the fulfilment of Matthew 24, also that Yeshua Christ has had the victory over Satan, Death, Sin, (She'ol/Hell), and overcame all of these things and because of this ~ The Kingdom of the Son of God reigns forever ~

Anyone who turns towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ are pulled out of darkness - When they turn towards the light - transferred into being citizen of heavenly Jerusalem - being a child of God by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ ~ Indwelled by the spirit of christ/holy spirit.


Colossians 1: Youngs Literal Translation
9 Because of this, we also, from the day in which we heard, do not cease praying for you, and asking that ye may be filled with the full knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,

10 to your walking worthily of the Lord to all pleasing, in every good work being fruitful, and increasing to the knowledge of God,

11 in all might being made mighty according to the power of His glory, to all endurance and long-suffering with joy.

12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,

13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love, (Kingdom of His (God our Father) Son) (Other translations)


Then it goes on to talk about the Supremeness of the Lord Jesus Christ 14-21.

Thank you for the question hopefully this helps you understand a bit.
 

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Hello @Waiting on him

There is two different ones

Half preterist (Half-Fulfilled) that believe up to Rev 1 - 17 or 19 has happened already and 20-21 is left to happen.

Full preterist (Fully Fulfilled (all prophecies) ~ And believes all of Revelation has been completed - Preterist is a viewpoint that sees from looking at the bible and has made its stance that the destruction of Jerusalem in Ad 70 was the fulfilment of Matthew 24, also that Yeshua Christ has had the victory over Satan, Death, Sin, (She'ol/Hell), and overcame all of these things and because of this ~ The Kingdom of the Son of God reigns forever ~

Anyone who turns towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ are pulled out of darkness - When they turn towards the light - transferred into being citizen of heavenly Jerusalem - being a child of God by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ ~ Indwelled by the spirit of christ/holy spirit.


Colossians 1: Youngs Literal Translation
9 Because of this, we also, from the day in which we heard, do not cease praying for you, and asking that ye may be filled with the full knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,

10 to your walking worthily of the Lord to all pleasing, in every good work being fruitful, and increasing to the knowledge of God,

11 in all might being made mighty according to the power of His glory, to all endurance and long-suffering with joy.

12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,

13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love, (Kingdom of His (God our Father) Son) (Other translations)


Then it goes on to talk about the Supremeness of the Lord Jesus Christ 14-21.

Thank you for the question hopefully this helps you understand a bit.
Ok, so from a preterist view, would the day of the Lord simply be the moment He indwells the born of God. Or is this referring to 70 ad?