Biblical Support v Explicit Biblical Teaching

[Grailhunter]

You are over eager to insinuate insult. I never ever implied God is stupid. You may wish to search yourself for seeing God that way when my words never came close to saying that.

You get into referencing the spiritual as if it justifies any manner of false beliefs because you can say anything about the spiritual because nothing can be proven. God the Father and God the Son interacted all through the Gospels, all you have to do is read. Did John 3:16 say, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten....self. LOL

"God" is an inclusive label not unique to Christianity.
Spirit, that is deemed holy, created all that exists. Of and from itself
Immanuel was no exception. Which is why Immanuel was the name foreordained to call the son Mary birthed to life. That all who heard that name would know, God was with them.
The Word made flesh.

All true...still God the Father...God the Son...and God the Holy Spirit.
LOL add....How many Apostles do you think there were?

 

[Amazed@grace]

You get into referencing the spiritual as if it justifies any manner of false beliefs because you can say anything about the spiritual because nothing can be proven. God the Father interacted all through the Gospels, all you have to do is read. Did John 3:16 say, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten....self. LOL



All true...still God the Father...God the Son...and God the Holy Spirit.
LOL add....How many Apostles do you think there were?

Laugh and mock. You are as foolish as you are hate filled.

 

[Grailhunter]

Laugh and mock. You are as foolish as you are hate filled.

No hate. Just truth. And why in the world would I do anything but love Amazed@grace. You funny!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One difference among many between us.

Which is why you have hard times honoring another saint with simple definitions.
You deny the absolute diety of Jesus because His name is not mentioned John 1:1 yet the bible teaches that Jesus is that very Word.
You deny Jesus is equial to the Father yet John 5:18 thte Apost le John said Jesus is equal with god.

Phil. 2:6 Paul declares Jesus is equal with god.

But wrangler sys they are in error.

 

[Taodeching]

That is a great point. Sola Scriptura is a latin phrase. So, one should not expect to see it in Hebrew or Greek text, right? Having said that, I think this is supportive. How about you?


And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 (NLT)

I don't think the idea of going by the Bible alone is anywhere in the Bible, I do believe it is a handed down tradition of man.

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think the idea of going by the Bible alone is anywhere in the Bible, I do believe it is a handed down tradition of man.

How many levels is this wrong!

 

[Taodeching]

How many levels is this wrong!

There is no where in the Bible that it says to go by the Bible alone, in fact the Bible never says the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth

 

[Wrangler]

You deny the absolute diety of Jesus because His name is not mentioned John 1:1 yet the bible teaches that Jesus is that very Word.

You truly do not get it! To cobble together a doctrine from various passages is what it means to NOT be an explicit teaching.

By contrast, that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, is explicit. You can find it explicitly in a single verse.

Please keep in mind this thread is not meant to debate specific doctrines but merely differentiate those doctrines that are explicit in Scripture from doctrine that you have to first have and then find support. One can find support for nearly anything in the Bible, including it being cannibalistic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You truly do not get it! To cobble together a doctrine from various passages is what it means to NOT be an explicit teaching.

By contrast, that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, is explicit. You can find it explicitly in a single verse.

Please keep in mind this thread is not meant to debate specific doctrines but merely differentiate those doctrines that are explicit in Scripture from doctrine that you have to first have and then find support. One can find support for nearly anything in the Bible, including it being cannibalistic.

YOu just love to be argumentative and stick to your own opinion no matter how wrong you are shown to be!

I pity you.

 

[Wrangler]

YOu just love to be argumentative and stick to your own opinion no matter how wrong you are shown to be!

I pity you.

You are projecting.

 

[BarneyFife]

Once Saved Always Saved
Forever Virgin Mary
Absolute Equality Between the Father and the Son

These are some topics that if you accept the doctrine, you can find passages that seem to support it. However, this is not the same as an explicit Biblical teaching, e.g., Roman 3:21-25. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus, who took our sins away. Or John 14:6 Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father but through Jesus.

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the Apologetics forum or the Debate forum but it seems many confuse doctrines they have with actual explicit Biblical teaching. If one starts with the doctrine, one can find verses that APPEAR to support their doctrine but other alternative explanations for the application or interpretation of the verse ought to be considered. The most famous is John 1:1, which does not even mention Jesus.

So, John 1:1 can support a doctrine one already believes but cannot be used as an example of an explicit Biblical teaching, such as God created man on the 6th day and then rested. I think there would be a lot less infighting if we humbly recognized the difference between doctrines which have Biblical Support v Explicit Biblical Teaching. See 109 page debate on Once Saved Always Saved. Thoughts?

This is extremely insightful.

I believe in the basic concept of the Trinity.

But it is, in fact, not an explicit teaching of the Bible.

And I am often horrified by folks who insist that those who disagree with them on non-explicit doctrines are base heretics. That disease (if you will) is at a pandemic state on this web site.

The fairly recent debate (another word might be more accurate) on election-stealing and politics is a good example. I had people telling me that the Bible said that Trump and Pence "aren't going anywhere."

I was derided as a supporter of the most awful things.

Some people really (and sadly) showed their true colors. The spirit that actuated some individuals was clearly not that of Christ. I had my own weak moments.

Pardon the tangent; this issue is key to establishing the unity called for in John 17.

Having said all of this, I do believe that there are non-explicit teachings that will be brought home to the hearts of true believers before the second coming of Jesus. There are also varying degrees of explicit and non-explicit, I believe.

 

[BarneyFife]

Never mind

 

[BarneyFife]

Never mind

 

[BarneyFife]

See The Case Against the Trinity.

After reading the OP of the referenced thread, I can now see that I was almost fooled.

 

[Wrangler]

After reading the OP of the referenced thread, I can now see that I was almost fooled.

What do you mean almost fooled?

 

[MatthewG]

Would like to share something about Learning and Growing from which was found on this website.

25 Important Bible Verses About Learning

As you age you should be progressing in life. You should be growing and maturing. Your relationship with Christ should be deepening as well. As you spend time with Christ and get to know more of who He is, then your intimacy with Him will increase. You will then begin to experience Him more throughout your week.

11. Luke 2:40 “The Child continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.”

12. 1 Corinthians 13:11 “When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.”

13. 2 Peter 3:18 “But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.”

14. 1 Peter 2:2-3 “Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.”

There may be some other scriptures that talk about increasing and growing in your knowledge of God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are many different topics about Knowledge if you are curious to know more:
Knowledge - Thompson Chain Reference -

 

[Wrangler]

Talked to a CLC guy yesterday. He put it this way. There are 3 levels of conviction that people confuse.

1. Dogma
2. Doctrine
3. Preference

Dogma, he said, is what you are willing to die over, e.g. a Christian would rather die than renounce Christ. Doctrine is a set of principles and beliefs, e.g., the many nuanced differences among the denominations. Preferences are Scripture verses that particularly appeal to an individual.

Again, the CDL guy said people confuse these 3; that our mission is not to harangue each other over doctrine but to spread the Good News.

 

[BarneyFife]

Post #71 edited. Changed "Trump and Biden" to "Trump and Pence."

 

[BarneyFife]

What do you mean almost fooled?

The premise of the thread is great, but it's turned into a unitarianist debate. I think you must have known that was where it would head to, especially when you linked to your own "Case Against The Trinity" thread. I try to avoid being a stooge. I'm not always successful, tho. :cool:

 

[Wrangler]

The premise of the thread is great, but it's turned into a unitarianist debate.

I know it is unfortunate. I did not want to debate any doctrines in this thread; only the notion of explicit teaching v support. I used several examples. And the intention was just that, an example of doctrines that are debated. What do you think about Soul Sleep?

I've heard it categorized as 'fringe' but there is more support for it than against, IMO. A video explained how people like the idea that a dearly beloved is 'looking down at them from heaven.' While comforting, it seems to totally go against the whole resurrection on Judgment Day revelation. Thoughts?