OSAS Again

[Taken]

Do you believe God drowned everyone on Earth but 8 "making them an example"? Do you believe God will burn BILLIONS of people in Hell fire "forever and ever"?

Factually:
God Drowned NO ONE.
God Caused AN "Effect" upon "His Earth".
EARTH...IS DRY LAND.
The "Effect" was;
* Sending Water:
FROM Gods Sky / Clouds DOWN to Earth.
FROM Gods Water IN the World UP to the Surface of the Earth.

THE Earth (Dry Land) became COVERED with WATER.

The WATER "caused" ALL living things (WITH Gods Breath of Life).... TO DROWN.

This is called; God DESTROYING HIS EARTH (DRY LAND) and Everything ON the EARTH... WITH Water.

Noah...(and Noah's family) WAS SAVED from the Destruction...
"BY Expressly BEING RAISED "UP" ABOVE the EARTH.... TO THE "SURFACE" of the WATER...ie the FACE of the Water.

IN the water Destroyed LIFE.
UP ON the Surface of the Water SAVED Noah's LIFE.

Noah, his family, animals....ALL UP ON the Surface of the WATER were "BODILY" saved FROM the destruction of Drowning.

AFTER a Period of Time...God VIA HIS POWER, "assuaged" the Water Covering the Earth. (Ie..."assuaged"...swept the Water Asside..."INTO" the Earth, from whence much water was Risen up...they are "underground" OCEANS....and to Deep valleys of the Earth...they are VISIBLE OCEANS that Divide the VISIBLE Land).

Gen 6:
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[17] And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth , to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen.7
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Gen 7:
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Prov 8:
[28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

Gen 7:
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, "and" the windows of heaven were opened.

Gen 8:
[2] The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Gen 8:
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the watersasswaged;

God SAVED...BODY'S of FLESH, from the Earth's Destruction, BY Raising those BODY'S UP ABOVE the Destruction.

Christ Jesus...Offered to:
* Forgive a man Having Been Against God.
* Accept a mans "WILLING Bodily DEATH"...
* Restore and Save a mans soul....
* Quicken (give New LIFE) to a mans spirit...
* Be FOREVER "with" AND "in" that man.
* KEEP that man WHOLE, body, soul, spirit.
(BY Gods Power "with and in" that man.)
* KEEP that man FROM Gods NEXT (coming) and LAST Destruction of the Earth...."BY AGAIN (as in Noah's Day) RAISING UP," that man WHOLLY...
Body, soul, spirit.

IN Noah's Day...FEW were LIfted UP and SAVED from Destruction.
Many were "NOT PAYING ATTENTION"...
Many ignoring God, ignoring Gods Word, Unprepared, and DOOMED in Destruction.

Matt 24:
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17:
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

ORDER, WAY, CONTEXT.

 

[kcnalp]

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom..
However, there is "to fear" the Lord, and then there is "the fear of the Lord".

To fear, would be, this....... John 3:36

Whereas, "fear of the Lord", is not to be scared of God, but rather its to ACKNOWLEDGE GOD with Trust, Love, Respect, and Utter Devotion.

A verse says....>"work out your salvation, with fear and trembling"......and that does not mean to be frightened of God.
As This God, this Father, Gave His Son for you, and He is "daddy" "Abba'.
We are to "go BOLDLY into the Throne of Grace and find help" from Father God.
So, working out your salvation, is to do it, in AWE AND WONDER, regarding our amazing God, who is our Father, forever.

2 Kings 17:25 (NKJV)
25 They did not fear the LORD; therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which killed some of them.

 

[kcnalp]

Factually:
God Drowned NO ONE.
God Caused AN "Effect" upon "His Earth".

You say God didn't do it and then you say God did it. lol

Do you also say God didn't burn Sodom and Gomorrah alive?

Genesis 19:24 (NKJV)
24 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens.

Yes, God drowned all but 8 on Earth.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

 

[Behold]

Tell us more please.

Sure.

Its a place that is very desolate.
think, big rocks, sand, and very hard ground.
The colors of the area is sort of a very pale orange.
You can go right past the area of S&G on your way to the Dead Sea.
Same road gets you there.

Once long ago, a city full of Homosexuals wanted to "know" some Angles that God had sent down.
These Homosexuasl and worse, wanted Lot to send them out, so that we can "know them".
This means they wanted to rape them, they wanted to fornicate with God's Messengers.

Here is the thing about Homosexuals.
They dont reproduce...they recruit.
The will recruit you, your kids, your grandchildren.
This is known as "turning" you .

IN America, "Homosexual rights" now own the media and the Democrat party, and you can't even watch commercials and be free of the homosexual influence.
American children sit there in front of their TV, and the commercials show gay women hugging, gay men doing the same.
Gay men shown with their adopted kids.......and this is just the COMMERCIALS.
So, the programming is worse. It runs 24/7, indoctrinating you, and your family, into the idea that "gay is ok", "maybe you want to try it"....>let us the MEDIA show you how it works...
That is all day, everyday, in the USA.
This once divinely blessed country, now exports "gay", all over the world.

So, a homosexual wants to "turn you"...
They want to turn you from "straight" to "gay"., and the reason this can happen, is because GAY is a choice, ..
Noone is "born this way". You are made this way....you are led into it, usually at a vary young age.
That is their #1 reason to exist, and they are all like this......no exceptions.

So, this same OT perversion, wanted to "turn" those Heaven sent Angels that were with Lot.

"send them out so that we can have SEX with them"...

So, God had a better idea., and you can see the end result on your way to the Dead Sea.

And by the way.
Everyone needs to come to Israel, after this Covid situation allows you to do it.
You really need to come and walk where Jesus walked, and see the Old Testament up close and personal.
It will absolutely explode your faith into a new dimension.

 

[Corlove13]

Why do OSASers preach OSAS?

I believe the question should be what one is being saved from.

Like once you are saved from the penalty of sin you are alway saved from the penalty of sin...

Or is it

Once quicken and made alive with Christ always made alive with Christ.

Or once saved from transgression and sin always saved from transgression and sin.

Well the issue is in what many of us have been taught as foundation.

And many have mixed salvation with Justification and likely not to have been born from above.

Example if I've been taught if I believe Jesus died was buried and rose I will go to heaven when I die.... then..

It's going to lead you to a different outcome

Than if I was first shown in the word and by God to first believe Who Jesus Is.

For Believing who Jesus is......is the foundation.....and no other should be layed.

But the foundation for many......is that they should trust something He did to secure them salvation[heaven when they die]

So the later is those who teach Osas...

But if a person looks to Jesus as foundation of being the Son, king, creator

And trust Him they are said to be born from above.

Only then can one talk about How Justification applies.

Therefore everyone who believes who Jesus is......can we say is born

Or those who intend to follow who they say they believe .

So people try to teach based on how they been taught.

 

[Taken]

You say God didn't do it and then you say God did it. lol

Try to THINK beyond a first grader.
* a man shoots a man with a bullet projected out from a gun.
* the man shot is dead.
* WHAT killed the dead man?
* the bullet.
* WHAT cause the bullet to be projected out of the gun?
* the man shooting the gun.
* the CAUSE...of Death...was a bullet.
* the CAUSE...of the bullet being projected out from the gun was a man.
* IN "Punishment"... the man shooting IS punished.....NOT THE BULLET!

Do you also say God didn't burn Sodom and Gomorrah alive? [/B]

DID God burn the "cities" of Sodom and Gomorrah? Sure...

DID God, WHO IS "as" FIRE, send FIRE from Heaven, to Destroy the "cities" of Sodom and Gomorrah? Yes.

Genesis 19:24 (NKJV)
24 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens.

WHAT destroyed the "two cities"...
"FIRE and Brimstone"...
WHAT caused the "fire and brimstone" to rain DOWN on the two cities ... GOD.
IS "fire and brimstone" ... punished? No.
IS "God the one who CAUSED" the fire and brimstone to rain down? Yes.
IS "God punished" ? No.
It's HIS Fire, HIS Brimstone, HIS Earth to CAUSE, whatever Pleases Him.

Yes, God drowned all but 8 on Earth.

Earth belongs to God.
People belong to God.
Animals belong to God.
God created and made, ALL, and ALL is Gods possessions
To: KEEP or DESTROY.
HOW God KEEPS, IS revealed.
HOW God DESTROYS, IS revealed.
God DESTROYED the Earth...WITH His Earth.

Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

God DESTTROYED the two cities...."WITH HIS" FIRE and "HIS" BRIMSTONE.
(Gen 19:24)

You immaturely "giggle"... without "understanding" DEEPER Knowledge...

God...carry's NO BLAME.
God...effects CAUSE.
Gods...effects CAUSE "upon" things, "with" "things" that belong TO Him.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

NOT news... plain KNOWLEDGE REVEALED...

BUT WHY....cast angels who "sinned" to hell?
SIMPLE "understanding"....uh "they sinned".

Deeper "understanding"....uh "they were CREATED WITH GODS TRUTH "IN" them..and "went Against God anyway, by their own FREEWILL.

Earthly men ARE not Created WITH Gods TRUTH...(with them OR in them).
Earthly men MUST CHOOSE to "RECEIVE" Gods TRUTH....called being "MADE" changed, by RECEIVING Gods TRUTH "IN" them.

5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

Yep....already know...as God said, as I said, God Destroyed the Earth WITH the Earth.
God Instructed Noah to build an ARK.
Noah complied.
God OPENED His Water in Heaven, Allowing Rain water to fall upon the Earth.
God OPENED His Fountains in the Earth, Allowing Water to rise upon the Earth.
The Ark afloated ON the Face of the Water, lifting Noah ABOVE the Face of the Earth, WHILE the Earth was being DESTROYED BY the Water.

God is NOT guilty of DESTRUCTION.
Gods POWER causes HIS possessions, TO DESTROY HIS possessions.

 

[marks]

Do you realize that the fear of God and the wrath of God are ABUNDANTLY taught in the Bible? God drowned all but 8 on Earth and burned Sodom and Gomorrah alive "making them an example".

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

Yes, I am aware of those, thank you!

Much love!

 

[Corlove13]

Yes, I am aware of those, thank you!

Much love!

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love

 

[Taken]

2 Kings 17:25 (NKJV)
25 They did not fear the LORD; therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which killed some of them.

People instinctively "PAY ATTENTION"...
* TO what they Fear
* TO what they Like
* TO that which they are Curious about.

* Men FEARING GOD...gets a mans Attention.
* God sending in His Lions...got their Attention.
* God quaking the Earth...gets mens Attention.
* God Sending Hurricane and Tornado Winds...gets mens Attention.

 

[Wrangler]

Found a powerful verse undermining OSAS:

This is what the Lord says: “Do not go to funerals to mourn and show sympathy for these people, for I have removed my protection and peace from them. I have taken away my unfailing love and my mercy.
Jeremiah 16:5

The LORD giveth, the LORD taketh away.

 

[kcnalp]

Try to THINK beyond a first grader.

I think personal insults are against forum rules. It's a tactic that people use when they know they are wrong.

* a man shoots a man with a bullet projected out from a gun.
* the man shot is dead.
* WHAT killed the dead man?
* the bullet.
* WHAT cause the bullet to be projected out of the gun?
* the man shooting the gun.
* the CAUSE...of Death...was a bullet.
* the CAUSE...of the bullet being projected out from the gun was a man.
* IN "Punishment"... the man shooting IS punished.....NOT THE BULLET!

So you think God made a HUGE mistake that killed everyone on Earth but 8?

FYI, it was no mistake.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

 

[kcnalp]

People instinctively "PAY ATTENTION"...
* TO what they Fear
* TO what they Like
* TO that which they are Curious about.

* Men FEARING GOD...gets a mans Attention.
* God sending in His Lions...got their Attention.
* God quaking the Earth...gets mens Attention.
* God Sending Hurricane and Tornado Winds...gets mens Attention.

But for those who the lions killed it was too late.

 

[Taken]

I think personal insults are against forum rules. It's a tactic that people use when they know they are wrong.

So you think God made a HUGE mistake that killed everyone on Earth but 8?

FYI, it was no mistake.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

Why do you MAKE UP junk?
I said NOTHING about a "mistake".
The "mistake" thought was "YOUR" thought.

 

[kcnalp]

Why do you MAKE UP junk?
I said NOTHING about a "mistake".
The "mistake" thought was "YOUR" thought.

God drowned all but 8 on Earth and burned Sodom alive! And He will burn people in Hell fire "forever and ever".

And you will learn to fear God too!

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

 

[Helen]

It never ceases to amaze me that some Christians prefer to believe the anger of God rather than the love of God .

‘They’ always choose OT verses to lean upon...even though the Father sent the Beloved to take all His wrath upon Him and take it to the cross for...redeemed , redeemed, redeemed! By the ALL POWERFUL Blood of the spotless Lamb .
OSAS ...is the Good News ... those who preach judgement after all that Jesus came to do...do NOT preach the gospel = the Good News .

 

[Taken]

But for those who the lions killed it was too late.

They should have heeded the Warning.

 

[APAK]

It never ceases to amaze me that some Christians prefer to believe the anger of God rather than the love of God .

‘They’ always choose OT verses to lean upon...even though the Father sent the Beloved to take all His wrath upon Him and take it to the cross for...redeemed , redeemed, redeemed! By the ALL POWERFUL Blood of the spotless Lamb .
OSAS ...is the Good News ... those who preach judgement after all that Jesus came to do...do NOT preach the gospel = the Good News .

Hey Helen....neat to see a post of yours these days.....all the best to you and family

 

[Helen]

Hey Helen....neat to see a post of yours these days.....all the best to you and family

Good to see you too...I Haven been around very much these days ....but checking the site a bit more in the hopes of seeing some encouraging posts of victory ....in these dark days .

God bless you brother ...x

 

[kcnalp]

It never ceases to amaze me that some Christians prefer to believe the anger of God rather than the love of God .

‘They’ always choose OT verses to lean upon...even though the Father sent the Beloved to take all His wrath upon Him and take it to the cross for...redeemed , redeemed, redeemed! By the ALL POWERFUL Blood of the spotless Lamb .
OSAS ...is the Good News ... those who preach judgement after all that Jesus came to do...do NOT preach the gospel = the Good News .

Psalm 111:10 (NKJV)
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

1 Peter 2:17 (NKJV)
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. FEAR GOD, Honor the king.

 

[kcnalp]

They should have heeded the Warning.

As you should heed the warning to FEAR GOD!